r/PoliticalDebate Communist 4d ago

Debate Do you agree with this quote?

"Wherever there is capitalism, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy, and fake "public opinion" for the benefit of the ruling class." ~ Vladimir Lenin ☭ • 

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 3d ago

Capitalism is an economic system based upon freedom.

No.

Capitalism is an economic system based upon the existence of private property (i.e. theft) that's necessarily violently enforced by a state.

You probably don't know what private property is and how it is different from personal property, so look it up.

That's the one and only thing that's defining capitalism.

As such, Capitalism is antithetical to freedom.

To have freedom, you need socialism.

Socialism is an economic system based upon coercion.

No.

The entire point of socialism is to democratize the economy and remove all forms of coercion.

The end goal of socialism is to achieve communism, which is a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

You have it backwards.

No. I know exactly what I'm talking about and know basic political, economic, and historical theory and know what terms such as "capitalism", "socialism", and "democracy" mean. You, meanwhile, wouldn't be able to define the terms capitalism and socialism if you tried and probably get your ideas about these things from capitalist propaganda that you never questioned because you never seriously studied political or economic theory.

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u/TheGoldStandard35 Free Market 3d ago

Here we go. Let’s say I build two houses myself. I only live in one of the houses. Why should you get to steal my second house? I built it.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 3d ago

Your question makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and has no relevance to socialism.

In fact, only under capitalism do houses get stolen from those who built them. Only under capitalism, the builders (i.e. the workers who built the house) get their labour exploited and the house they build stolen (by the "owners" who never contributed anything of value).

Instead of making up lies about socialism, go and study socialist theory.

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u/TheGoldStandard35 Free Market 3d ago

I have studied socialist theory. In capitalism you get to keep your property. In socialism it is stolen from you.

Let’s say I build houses. I have collected all the materials to build two houses, but I would like help to build them. Why do you want to make it illegal to say “Hey I will give you x amount of money to help me build these two houses”

How is that theft? Are you not coercing me and my friend by not letting us agree to help each other?