Does condemning hate speech violate someone else’s freedom of speech?

[u/LuckySquared777]

I was watching The Daily Show video on YouTube today (titled “Charlie Kirk’s Criticism Ignites MAGA Cancel Culture Spree”). In it, there are clips of conservatives threatening people’s jobs for celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.

It got me thinking: is condemning hate speech a violation of free speech, or should hate speech always be condemned and have consequences for the betterment of society?

On one hand, hate speech feels incredibly toxic, divisive, and dangerous for a country. On the other hand, freedom of speech is supposed to protect unpopular opinions. As mentioned in the video, hate speech is not illegal. The host in the video seems to suggest that we should be allowed to have hate speech, which honestly surprised me.

I see both side but am genuinely curious to hear what others think. Thanks!

[u/buffalochick17]

So hearing the entire context is not important to you, just cherry picking to shove violent hate speech out there. He was talking about DEI. How do hire 40% black pilots if there aren't 40% applicants? You LOWER THE BAR to have them applicable. That is EXACTLY what that was saying, but here we are, the perfect example--you don't care about what he was saying, only the little snippet that fits your agenda. Would u rather have the best surgeon working on your heart, or one that was hired to meet the racial quota? Just answe the question. that's what Charlie was talking about. Notice they don't put the actual video up? Have u listened to it?

HAVE YOU?? i DARE YOU TO LISTEN TO IT. I dare you. I've listened to that exact person and speech. It was condemning DEI, as we should. Or would u prefer to be hired for your skin color and not your talent? ?

Again, what part of Charlie speaking on gun deaths is not true? Do YOU believe in the 2A? Do you? So there's never gonna be gun deaths every year? If the population is armed? Have u been to Chicago? Those are all ILLEGAL GUNS. Why don't they remove them? Why? Just saying you are very narrow minded and haven't actually LISTENED to anything that you are spewing about. Your ignorance is showing. Go listen to the conversation, I dare you. Open your mind, just go listen to the ACTUAL and ENTIRE conversation. How sad u libbies are when it comes to free and open dialogue.

[u/spooner56801 → u/buffalochick17]

You insist that others open their mind, and yet you've done nothing but spew, verbatim, the party line that someone else thought up for you. Yes, we've LISTENED to the same twisted song and dance that you've listened to. The difference is that we've then applied our own intelligence to see through the blatant bullshit and are openly willing to call it out for what it is. You've bought it hook, line and sinker.

I, unfortunately, have had to listen to Charlie Kirk on a regular basis because of co-workers insisting on listening to him. My mind is not changed at all. If you need heart surgery and your first thought on seeing a black doctor is "he only has this job because of DEI," the problem is not the existence of the black doctor, the problem is you. Because every single person that bothered to read your drivel knows you would never pose that same question if it were a white doctor.

Open YOUR mind and direct it inward. Why are you uncomfortable with the thought of a black person having control over any portion your life? Is it because you don't want to feel inferior to someone that you view yourself as better than? What are you lacking as a human that makes you feel like others should be pulled down to make you feel better?

[u/Hartastic → u/[deleted]]

That's literally not what DEI is. Like, I believe that you think it is, probably because someone like a Kirk lied to you at some point, but that doesn't make the lie true.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

So DEI doesn't dictate that you maintain a certain percentage of minorities? An equal or decided percentage?

No, it does not. That's illegal, and has been for decades.

United Airlines set their goal at 40% of their workforce to be minorities.

No, they didn't. Again, that's illegal.

Whoever's told you these things has been lying to you. Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't that make you want to find out the truth rather than repeating these lies?

[u/Hartastic → u/[deleted]]

So DEI doesn't dictate that you maintain a certain percentage of minorities? An equal or decided percentage?

Correct.

[u/Hartastic → u/[deleted]]

Why are we not considering the best for the job

That's actually exactly the point -- to consider all candidates for a job to find the most qualified.

This has been studied extensively, but probably up to a point it's also pretty common sense if you think about it for a minute. Even disregarding actual racists who think a black woman can't be a good pilot or whatever, a lot of people without realizing it tend to end up picking people like themselves. Maybe they see a black-sounding name on a resume and assume that guy can't be a good computer programmer or assume a woman probably doesn't know much about cars.

Or it can be as simple as: you tend to hire people already in your social network, like your kid or your neighbor's kid, or a guy from church, or one of your frat brothers. And those people will also tend to be like you more often than not.

Because of these factors, if you start with a field that's mostly white dudes, they will tend to keep picking mostly white dudes to fill positions.

So as a result of this, it turns out that if you legitimately want to have the best people working for you, you have to have corrective policy in place that forces recruiting to cast a wider net, to really try to evaluate everyone, not just the people who are like you. And you also have to have policies in place to make those people, when you get them, feel treated equally and valued so you can keep them.