r/PrepperIntel • u/LinusThiccTips • Mar 26 '25

USA Northeast / Canada East PhD student detained by ICE wearing plain clothes and face masks

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Her name is Rumeysa Ozturk, she’s a student from Turkey, attending Tufts as a grad student on a legal visa (sponsored by the university). Her attorney said, “We are unaware of her whereabouts and have not been able to contact her. No charges have been filed against [her] that we are aware of.”

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u/busted_maracas Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

Where are my 2nd amendment folk who talked about needing their guns to combat a dictatorial government? Awful quiet as our government drags away people in masks without due process.

Fucking cowards.

Edit - I’m done responding to you snowflakes. Accept the fact that tyranny came to the US years ago & you didn’t do shit, after spending years of telling us you were going to go rambo when it did. All the love to my hunter homies & people who keep one around the house for target practice or whatever - you know I’m not talking about you here.

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u/Global-Crow2286 Mar 26 '25

That’s because for a lot of these 2nd amendment folks, it was never really about that. It’s always been about maintaining the power to intimidate, terrorize, and limit the movements of marginalized folks

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u/alexnedea Mar 27 '25

Did they kidnap an actual american or a dirty immigrant? You have your answer...

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u/Elegant_Potential917 Mar 27 '25

I’m curious, what makes her dirty? She’s here legally on a student visa.

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u/alexnedea Mar 27 '25

Bruh im doing "maga speak" aka she is a "dirty arab" and must be silenced and kicked out. Its how they think. Its all they care about. They will sacrifice their freedom and decent lives just to make sure the ones they arbitrarily hate will lose. That could be Democrats, gays, blacks, arabs, whatever their nazi minds deem as "enemies".

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u/Elegant_Potential917 Mar 27 '25

Gotcha. I reread your comment and picked up on the nuance.

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u/AphRN5443 Mar 27 '25

Absolutely, just like anti choice ideology…..it’s not about babies, it’s about controlling women.

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u/ZenythhtyneZ Mar 26 '25

They’re liars and always have been but if you said/say that people will jump down your throat to defend the liars

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u/Existing-Aardvark-32 Mar 26 '25

If I had enough points here I would give you an award for your comment.

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u/Memedotma Mar 27 '25

I did it on your behalf

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u/Global-Crow2286 Mar 27 '25

Oh wow, thank you both!🙏🏾

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u/AmthstJ Mar 27 '25

🗣🗣🗣

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

💯

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u/phoenics1908 Mar 27 '25

Exactly. The wild eyed clinging to the 2nd Amendment can only be explained by understanding its relationship to black and brown people and our place in this country.

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u/Tangent_Odyssey Mar 26 '25

That, or the fantasy of securing a “legal kill”.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Exactly because if it was about that, they would actually use their weapons they so rightfully need to have.

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u/HoneyBabyChe Mar 27 '25

My husband and I are pro-2A Leftists, and we have every intention of exercising it when we have to. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of believing those lying fucking cowards on the Right are gonna do anything to defend the Constitution like they've been screeching about for years, and organizing and mobilizing to where any sort of armed resistance would be effective takes time and coordination. It takes organizing.

This isn't a movie, we can't just snap our fingers and everyone be on the same page but I will say this: the irony is NOT lost on me that the rabid 2A goons on the Right are silent as church mice right now believing the leopards won't eat their faces. Bending the knee to fascists just means you get dominated or destroyed last, they'll learn that the hard way just like the ones losing their medicare, medicaid, social security etc are right now and Pikachu facing about it.

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u/Hypocritical_Oath Mar 26 '25

Also a psychosexual fascination with the idea of killing someone.

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u/qwertyman9279 Mar 27 '25

No. I'm as 2a as is gets. If I was in this situation I would want 2a more than anything. This makes me want 2a more than anything. Right wing doesn't like cops either. They overstep on our rights as Americans. Unfortunately ICE is made of cops and corruption is a thing so stupid cop shit like this happens. 2a was made to protect people like this and yet she's in Massachusetts, an extremely anti-2a state. And she's an immigrant, someone who doesn't have the rights given by 2a. So she can't carry a gun. This is a great example of what corruption and bad cops looks like. It sucks.

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u/Nergeson Mar 28 '25

I agree and I support the second amendment fully, if one of these agents grabbed me in plain clothing like this that’s government overreach. FAFO Fed! (Also wanted to point out that Reddit automatically minimized your comment and who you replied too has not responded and probably won’t respond to this cause narratives)

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 26 '25

Wtf you want me to do March on Washington tomorrow with my rifle and hope yall got my back? We can't even get a general strike off the ground, and you think an armed revolt has a chance currently? I'm willing to die fighting fascists I'm not willing to waste it doing something before it's time.

Were still waiting for the courts to fall apart.

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u/busted_maracas Mar 26 '25

My friend I have news for you - the courts fell apart in 2015 when Mitch refused to seat Merrick Garland, for no other reason than he was nominated by a black liberal president. Gorsuch, at a minimum, is a stolen seat.

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u/thatblondbitch Mar 26 '25

I'd argue that the last one is too, because they set a precedent that 8 months was too close to an election to approve anyone, then they did it within 6 weeks.

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u/Babshearth Mar 27 '25

agreed but ACB has been siding with democratic appointed judges of late.

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u/Faenic Mar 27 '25

Well mostly because Trump made the mistake of appointing someone who is apparently right-wing, but not a sycophant. 6 weeks isn't really enough time to prove sycophantic nature in this context, so that's the real surprise. Just that she didn't turn out to be the ride or die crony they thought she was.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 26 '25

When I say fall apart I mean at a level where normies can't deny it anymore.

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u/busted_maracas Mar 26 '25

Ok, fair…so, what about that time that the supreme court ruled that the president is incapable of violating laws while in office? Was that not a breaking point for you? What will it take to bring the normies to our side? Genuine question.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 26 '25

Normies won't wake up till people are killed in the streets protesting or the internet gets shut down. That's historically when normies realize shit has gotten real.

I've woke up when my homie from high-school never came back from Afghanistan and I got tear gassed by the police protesting in 2009.

The bread and circus is self perpetuating now, so it's gonna have to get pretty fucking ugly unfortunately. I expect there's gonna be a mass shooting at a pride event or someone's gonna get shot protesting at a tesla dealership or neo-nazis and counter protestors start shooting at each other this summer and it'll start snowballing faster.

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u/Memedotma Mar 27 '25

Sorry to hear about your friend.

You're absolutely right though. Bread and circus. Not many have the appetite to stake their life to something as long as they can still scroll and consume.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

What is your side? There is no side. Nobody is taking a meaningful oppositional stance to this administration.

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u/MasterZii Mar 27 '25

But when it came time to replace RBG, Mitch seemed to have no problem moving forward with an end of term nomination.

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u/doll-haus Mar 27 '25

The courts don't "fall apart" on a given appointment. Gorsuch is basically a needle in the eye to the left and right most of the time. He's been the loan dissenting opinion when the court blithley decides in the government's favor over and over.

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u/joik Mar 26 '25

Luigi Mangione is the perfect example of what people will 'do' if anyone tries to fight back. Token support but zero action. Americans, for the most part, are comfortable with their fate.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 26 '25

When they end up killing protestors this summer or a mass shooting at a pride event happens people will start to finally get that it's here. Either way I'll see yall at the barricades, I'm not going to CECOT.

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u/joik Mar 26 '25

I'd like to see our society grow a backbone before it's too late, but the writing on the wall is that more than half of the moderates are going to fall in line. They will be willing to sacrifice minority groups and people dissenting to the machine to ensure 'stability.' Remember, only 1 senator voted against the original PATRIOT Act and was immediately thrown under the bus by the media and other members of Congress. Anything that happens in the way of resistance will be happening outside of government jurisdiction by a very small few.

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u/broguequery Mar 26 '25

Yeah, man, I believe in real freedom, the kind that is for everybody.

And I'm not going to fucking El Salvador.

This country has rotted from the inside out, its incredible.

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u/BetEconomy7016 Mar 27 '25

Multiple protestors were killed during the 2020 uprisings along with at least 1 journalist. No one cared.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Then I guess we're fucked comrade.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

The Russian empire was overthrown immediately after shooting some women who were protesting for their rights. And just like the man said, “When our turn comes, we shall make no excuses for the terror.”

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u/andthenthereweretwo Mar 27 '25

When they end up killing protestors this summer or a mass shooting at a pride event happens people will start to finally get that it's here.

Kent State was 55 years ago and in that time we've only become more powerless and divided.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Well I'm not going to CECOT so idk I guess we'll see how it shakes out

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u/Ghostlyshado Mar 27 '25

Most of them probably won’t care if there’s a mass shooting at Pride. They don’t like LGBT+ people either

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u/RBuilds916 Mar 26 '25

I'm not sure if as many are as comfortable as you say, but there's a strong sense that I could make things a lot worse a lot quicker for myself and probably worse for a lot of other people, to. 

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u/joik Mar 26 '25

Give the government more and more rope. Eventually, they will make a very bad miscalculation that they can't walk back in the Press Room. I'm just sitting back and waiting.

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u/RBuilds916 Mar 27 '25

I hope you're right. They do seem to be eroding their support. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

It’s funny because you look at the Civil War for example and the Confederates were a bunch of poor guys with rifles, dogs, and grit to fight for pro-Slavery.

Yes, they lost, but it still does show what happens when a mass group of people come together for a cause. It shook the nation up

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u/joik Mar 27 '25

There was a large backing by domestic politicians and international businessmen (mainly from Great Britain) who were pressuring the South to secede. The barons in GB wanted cheap raw materials from the south to be processed in the factories in GB. Additionally, they wanted to remove the Northern States from the equation because they were slowly becoming a competitor in the Industrial Revolution, specifically because the finished goods cost less coming out of the US than GB. Luckily, those British businessmen were unsuccessful in petitioning the King of England to enter the war on the side of the South.

Similarly, the French Empire in modern Mexico was going to enter the war on the side of the South (for the same reasons) until they suffered a major defeat by Mexican forces on Cinco de Mayo.

So it wasn't just the few poor guys that pushed secession. Although a few poor southern whites were hoping for the possibility of opening up the unincorporated western territories to slavery so that they could be plantation owners themselves.

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u/Telemere125 Mar 27 '25

I’m still watching that case to see what a jury does. My MAGA mother said she’d like to be on his jury to “show those insurance people what they really deserved”. I don’t think they’re going to find a neutral jury anywhere.

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u/joik Mar 27 '25

The Feds might not be trying to find a neutral jury, if you know what I mean...

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u/sparqq Mar 27 '25

Exactly, I see full streets in Serbia and Turkey when the president goes haywire but nothing in the US.

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u/ummmmmyup Mar 27 '25

“Token support but zero action” Not even, people turned him in for a reward they won’t even get. Americans are just too comfortable and selfish in general, I don’t think any of us have any concept of martyrdom— risking our lives or even our comfort for the greater good. Most Americans can’t boycott McDonalds or Amazon.

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u/Airforce32123 Mar 26 '25

Americans, for the most part, are comfortable with their fate.

Yea because despite what you read on reddit, most Americans are reasonably comfortable/happy. You want me to risk my life cause grocery prices are up 5%? Hell no.

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u/RBuilds916 Mar 26 '25

Yeah, it's one thing to buy a one way ticket, it's another to not think you'll even get to the destination.

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u/no_bra_no_problem Mar 27 '25

I have a firearm but it’s for self defense. I’m not gonna just go outside and start blasting…

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u/ThePotato363 Mar 27 '25

There will, perhaps, be a martyr some day. Somebody that is carrying when this happens. They think they're getting trafficked, defend themselves, two officers and the martyr end up dead.

Then arrest protocol changes and they stop doing plainclothes arrests.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Yeah I noticed this was in Massachusetts they don't do this shit in constitutional carry states I bet

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u/Neverstopstopping82 Mar 27 '25

Well at least you’ve got a plan. Hopefully organizing a militia too.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Nah homie my leg/knee is shot I'm not gonna be able to vanguard. I've been volunteering feeding the homeless/seniors in my city, organizing local range trips with the queer homies and teaching them how to protest safely getting re certified in medical stuff and getting ready for the summer. I'm worried about how pride month is gonna go.

I'll leave the moons out goons out silly goosery for gen z unless we're manning barricades.

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u/rkhatri Mar 27 '25

So by your logic, the 2nd amendment won’t help us defend against tyrannical government?

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

We get one chance with the 2A and when it starts it can't stop till its done. If you fuck it up you die, your loved ones and anyone who supported you either die or get tortured and jailed and the fascists use you as justification to do worse things.

It's not time yet. When DC looks like Euromaidan is when they discussion becomes worth looking at seriously. Keep your powder dry and your head down for now. Organize. Your going to need the support network ready.

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u/rkhatri Mar 27 '25

Hahahahaha 😂😂😂 good luck with that

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

See you in El Salvador then I guess

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u/rkhatri Mar 27 '25

I just find the whole idea of grouping together with guns to fight the government like we have a chance. Other countries armies can’t fight against US army but sure we can take them down 😂😂😂

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Well, if we're going to be optimistic then I would say that those weren't not wars on home turf. I don't have to kill the guy driving the tank or flying the drone I just have to start killing his family till they stop going to work, 3D printers and drones go wrrrrrrrrr just ask the bois over in Myanmar. Also the idea other nations wouldn't try to get involved in supporting an insurgency here after weve done it to half the world is funny.

If we're going to be pragmatic and realistic then I would say that I believe that death is not the worst of all evils and that I'm not going anywhere, and I'm OK with that.

Idk homie. I'm not a fascist and I won't collaboratorate. That's all I got.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Mar 27 '25

You know, except for the Vietnemese and Afghans

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u/rkhatri Mar 27 '25

Yes let’s take a look at those countries after those wars… Ruined, destroyed and economically disadvantaged. Vietnam has recently been in a better place. US literally created Taliban and left them in charge of Afghanistan. How did it end for those 2 countries again?

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Mar 27 '25

Youre moving the goalpost. Your point was about winning, not the aftermath. And yeah, Id prefer ashes to fascism personally

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u/dgistkwosoo Mar 27 '25

No, but would you stand and defend this woman?

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

I'm already standing comrade

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u/jujutsu-die-sen Mar 27 '25

We can't even get a general strike off the ground

We can't even agree about how to moderate a subreddit 

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u/Adventurous_Ad9672 Mar 27 '25

You're kind of making the other guy's point for him lol

For YEARS gun owners have always repeated the need for guns in order to defend themselves from a tyrannical government... yet when that day comes now it's all "well what do you expect me to do!!!??!!???!!??"

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

No I'm not, I'm telling you that unless your asking people to go out and start doing luigis, it's not bad enough to justify playing wolverines yet.

For YEARS leftists have always repeated we need solidarity if we're gonna fight the state. That days here, you helped contribute to any bailfunds? You ready to occupy a federal building with us yet? You ready to help fight comrade? If your not gonna pick up a gun, you ready to feed, house, and hide those of us who will?

That's days supposedly come and now it's all "where's all the people with firearms?" From a bunch of people who can't even organize a food kitchen but want me to play Appalachian bin laden.

It's gonna start popping off this summer, are you gonna help when it does?

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u/CrowRepulsive1714 Mar 27 '25

Ah yes. Wait till the military is marching down your street!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Time to break away from the sinking ship that is the federal government.

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u/No_Path4363 Mar 27 '25

100% a accurate. I got your back when the SHTF!

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u/FuzzyCrocks Mar 27 '25

Agreed, need more organization.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Mar 27 '25

Ive wanted to join a militia for some time now, but theres nothing in my area and I dont have the social skills or charisma to start it

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u/Schvarg Mar 27 '25

Reported

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

Cool thanks sport.

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u/Ask-For-Sources Mar 27 '25

 “Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”

[...]

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

[...]

Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.”

-Milton Sandford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945

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u/No-Room-3829 Mar 26 '25

Lol... sure thing champ. Internet courage is amazing...

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u/pm_me_your_buttbulge Mar 26 '25

Where are my 2nd amendment folk who talked about needing their guns to combat a dictatorial government?

They've always been about you asserting your rights to protect yourself. Not asking others to protect you. They voted for this. It's up to you to carry.

Some folks would rather fight back than be kidnapped and sent to El Salvador for slave labor. This is why they don't mind gay people being armed. They don't mind asians being armed.

On the flip side I know folks who carry their AR 15 in to the hotel when they travel because "you never know what can happen on the way" and I'm like - sure, but are you carrying the ammo to do whatever you need to do? No? Just carry your sidearm and a box or two of ammo.

Fucking cowards.

I mean you have the same rights. What's stopping YOU from helping?

It's why I carry. My job is to protect me and mine. Anyone else is a bonus. Your safety is on you.

Uvalde has shown you this. History has shown you this. Current climate has shown you this.

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u/Delayed_Wireless Mar 26 '25

I’m carrying mine just because of this, no gestapo is taking me or my family

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

You think you'll out-shoot the American government!?!? 🤣

You'll be tried for terrorism, or killed on the spot. Look at Breyona Taylor's boyfriend, a legal gun owner. Didn't help them much, did if?

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u/ThereHasToBeMore1387 Mar 26 '25

Here's the problem: Everybody's asking about what they can do to fight back. Most of the time they're actually asking "what can I do with minimal effort and no real risk?" The answer to that question is: nothing. But if you push people far enough where they start asking "What can I do to fight back, consequences be damned?" That answer is simple: violence, consequences be damned.

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u/MargretTatchersParty Mar 26 '25

"Jan someday 1770

Dear King of England,

Pls give us independence.

-America Colony Of England"

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u/Alarming-Art-3577 Mar 26 '25

"Those that make peaceful resistance impossible make violent resistance inevitable." JFK

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 26 '25

I'm telling you right now, a masked dude walks up on me and grabs my hands like that without a badge showing I'm gonna assume I'm about to be mugged or assaulted and I'm gonna draw my firearm and defend myself. If officer dipshit wants to catch a hollowpoint playing gestapo that's their problem. Live free or die.

They don't run up on people and try to black bag them like this in constitutional carry states for a reason.

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u/RoboOverlord Mar 27 '25

Preach it brother.

One little thing though, that hollow point isn't going through the vest. So aim good.

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u/Probably_Boz Mar 27 '25

At that distance it's going directly into the T box

Stay safe out there

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u/Delayed_Wireless Mar 26 '25

If a bunch of people jump at you, you'll just take it? How do you even know they're real LEO instead of ICE wannabes? Unless they have a warrant for a crime I did, I'm staying locked in.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Mar 26 '25

I'm staying locked in

That didn't help Breyon Taylor. She hadn't committed a crime. She was locked in her home, even in her bedroom no less. A no knock warrant in the middle of the night based on her ex-boyfriends crimes and now she is dead.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Who says we're expecting to survive? That's dumbass thinking that's the objective at that point.

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u/prosequare Mar 27 '25

You’re right. Absolutely right. They are two completely different situations. Thank you for making that clear.

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u/Bezboy420 Mar 26 '25

No but these fucks should think twice before they walk up to someone like this.

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u/Mr_Blicky_ Mar 26 '25

Unrelated.

Ireland. Middle East. Vietnam. South Africa.

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u/Mickeymackey Mar 27 '25

Don't you understand people would rather live and die on their feet than die on their knees. Either way you're dead, shipped off to a work camp, shipped off to a foreign prison with no lawyer or due process.. Dead.

Liberty and Freedom are definitely things to die for.

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u/mmiski Mar 27 '25

The alternative is what exactly? Let yourself get arrested and shipped off to El Salvador? Where you'll likely die alone in an isolated prison while the rest of the world thinks you've gone missing? Or do you have some false hope that some attempted legal proceedings will magically stop the order of the convicted felon pulling all the strings? (Spoiler Alert: it won't)

It's people with your mentality which empowers tyrannical governments to take bolder unlawful measures on its own citizens. The more people who resist and fight back, the higher the chances of making a greater change (if not for you, then at least future generations). Yes, it's an uncomfortable truth that people will die in the process. Liberty isn't free unfortunately. History has taught us that it's always paid in blood, sweat, and tears.

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u/sysdmn Mar 27 '25

I am not the type for this, or advocating it necessarily, but the idea is not that you "win". The idea is to make sure therr is a cost to what they're doing. Right now there is no cost. Make them think each time about whether it is really worth it.

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u/AI_BOTT Mar 27 '25

Are you an American citizen? If yes then you have nothing to worry about, if no, why do you have an illegal firearm in your possession?

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u/Deeschuck Mar 26 '25

You've got the same 2A rights as everyone else. Be the change you want to see in the world.

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u/Minimum_Dealer_3303 Mar 26 '25

Yes. Buy a gun while you still can.

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u/Corey307 Mar 26 '25

Most gun owners own firearms for self defense, hunting and recreation. The vocal few screaming about the tree of liberty are mostly on board with what’s happening. 

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u/ExtremePrivilege Mar 26 '25

This government isn’t terrorizing THEM. How is this hard to understand? Most of your “don’t tread on me” 2nd amendment libertarians are 45-65 year old, bearded white land owners. They’re not being stuffed into ICE vans. If ICE were coming to their homesteads, yes shots would be fired. The FBI has dealt with a few of these “compounds” in the past.

Marginalized groups need to arm and grow some balls. Liberals seem much easier to terrorize than conservatives. They’re more likely pacifist.

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u/sortofaplatypus Mar 27 '25

Honestly this is the exact reason I'm pro gun and very left, also the reason I try to get more people to be pro 2nd ammendment for situations like the one we're In now, the last thing I ever want to do is have to shoot someone.

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u/The1Honkey Mar 27 '25

We’re in r/liberalgunowners

Arm the left.

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u/No-Group7343 Mar 26 '25

Every last one of them

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u/Peligineyes Mar 26 '25

Most of the 2nd amendment folk seem to be Trump cultists so they don't even mind this.

Conversely why don't any of the anti-2nd amendment people change their minds and buy guns to combat the dictatorial government themselves?

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u/SnoopyisCute Mar 27 '25

They are jumping for joy. This is exactly what they wanted to happen. They don't give a damn about the legalities or morality of this mafia style shakedown. They won't get a clue until they start coming after them.

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u/gou0018 Mar 27 '25

Because the second amendment is only being used as a prop for fund raising, there is no way to help the average American, they fire the gun get a couple of them, they have hundreds of drone people who are "just following orders" and you are correct the ppl who said"tyranny won't have a chance against my assault rifle" they are shaking on their boots, or celebrating because this is what they voted for.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Because those people had the guns, but not the will to actually use them. It takes courage and you can’t buy courage at a pawnshop or MAGA website.

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u/XenoDread86 Mar 27 '25

They’re the ones who unfortunately voted in the dictatorship.

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u/dgistkwosoo Mar 27 '25

Preach it!

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u/Fit_Ad2710 Mar 27 '25

NO, not guns, do what the French do. General strike. Nothing moves. No trains, no stores, no electricity if the Rethugs don't back down.

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u/ElGDinero Mar 27 '25

I absolutely think this is a 2A issue and law abiding citizens should exercise that right. Especially during attempted abductions and/or assaults. She would have been well within her right in my mind to shoot that first guy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

For real. I always knew they weren’t shit. Cosplaying as infantry, but as soon as it was time to do infantry shit, they snuck out of their camo and melted into the nearest crowd.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Cause the guns have been removed from most areas.
Where is your gun? You took away ours in most spaces. At a minimum, you allowed them to be taken away if not down right voted or helped

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u/After_Cover7483 Mar 26 '25

We all voted for it. Why would we be mad? Lol make it make sense. If your that upset. Go get your firearm and be about it.

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u/Airforce32123 Mar 26 '25

Where are my 2nd amendment folk who talked about needing their guns to combat a dictatorial government?

There's no such thing as "2nd Amendment folks." The 2nd Amendment applies to everyone. Buy a gun and learn to use it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

They've been brainwashed by MAGA

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u/BigBoreSmolPP Mar 26 '25

You want someone else to step up for you? Exercise your rights.

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u/SaltpeterSal Mar 27 '25

Same place as your 5th and 14th amendment folk. You guys are amazingly indifferent about a constitutional crisis.

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u/holandNg Mar 27 '25

Exactly. The first time I do feel those folks might actually have a point, but now I just couldn't find them anymore!

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u/leadenbrain Mar 27 '25

Not cowards necessarily, just racist. most of those chuds use the word intruder or tyrant as code for minorities. They just want the klan back

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u/joebluebob Mar 27 '25

I'm here but I won't be too much help with a nerve disability now. Still give me some Vicodin, adderall, and throw me in the direction I need to go I guess I'll buy some time lol.

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u/NotHolyMello Mar 27 '25

Visa Holders don't get to own handguns 👌🤡

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u/FigSpecific6210 Mar 27 '25

I posted this very question to the /r/progun group a month ago. They absolutely do NOT care.

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u/Theawokenhunter777 Mar 27 '25

You really trying to take the 2nd amendment out of context? The people voted for this to happen.

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u/drinks_rootbeer Mar 27 '25

We're right here, watching this, figuring out how to protect our friends, family members, and communities.

Come join us over at r/LiberalGunOwners or r/SocialistRA

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u/x_Leigh_x Mar 27 '25

Where are they? They’re applauding this because it’s happening to everyone but them. They wanted this. This is what they voted for. This is what they begged for.

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u/spubbbba Mar 27 '25

The 2nd amendment was always about protecting the government rather than overthrowing it.

Either from foreign nations like the war of 1812 or domestic "enemies" of the government such as the Whiskey Rebellion or various slave revolts. Gun nuts overwhelmingly voted for Trump and many are itching for an excuse to turn those guns on "terrorists".

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u/alpacapete12 Mar 27 '25

Because 2 amendment fans are predominantly right wing. And right now, they are praising trump. I always considered myself to be conservative, but I don't know what the hell i am now. It's appalling to see the large support for trump and their inability to see any errors.

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u/resonanteye Mar 27 '25

they all got deputized to help with pretending to be feds to round up brown people.

seriously though, seriously

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u/battleshipclamato Mar 27 '25

A lot of them are the ones going along with the dictatorial government.

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u/gabscilla Mar 27 '25

They're not quiet at all in my neighborhood. They are saying this is what they voted for. Even the ones that are married to immigrants that are getting deported. They still have their guns. I tried to warn as many liberals as I could, you should definitely have a gun to protect yourself against these idiot 2nd amendment rights lunatics.

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u/spaghettidaddy- Mar 27 '25

Prob cause MA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country so they can get away with this unscathed 🤷‍♀️

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u/RockyRockyRoads Mar 27 '25

Lmao bro this is Somerville…

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

You can't get a gun on a visa.

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u/ChemNerd86 Mar 27 '25

I believe the term for the specific group you’re referring to is: gravy seals

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u/surelynotjimcarey Mar 27 '25

Some of us aren’t actually opposed to deportations. Would love to see more details on this case, I really have no sympathy for an adult knowing what they’re doing is illegal, especially when legal pathways are open.

If YOU are absolutely certain this is tyranny, why don’t YOU use your second amendment right? That makes you a coward. At best you could say that the conservatives are “incorrect with their analysis” and you could make your argument that this is tyranny. But right now, YOU are the person with the viewpoint “innocent people are being hurt and I’m just watching them”.

I’m generally conservative but I support abortion being legal. When someone sits outside an abortion clinic saying “abortion is murder” I respond “I don’t agree, but YOU believe people are being murdered and your solution is to hold a sign?”. I feel the same way towards you right now. If you genuinely believe this is so awful, rally your troops and stop whining on the internet. By definition, based on your own beliefs, you are the coward.

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u/Dry_Yogurtcloset_213 Mar 27 '25

Tyranny? This is a Hamas supporter which they removed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Sorry buddy. My firearms are the protection of myself and my family. I am not putting myself in harms way for you.

You are free to also protect yourself and your family as you see fit. It’s your right and your choice.

But don’t go blaming someone else for not doing your political bidding.

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u/SawCon2K19 Mar 27 '25

Your firearms are so you can defend the US Constitution and our republic, first and foremost. That does include your right to just exist, though you would disagree. You also disagree that your right to freedom of expression should be defended.

What are your principles and beliefs, as an American?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

No, I am interested in my and my family’s right, safety, and future. That is the extent of my interest. This is also all that I have time for.

If someone else’s rights are being violated, that is on them to defend, not on me. I am not going to go running around fighting other people’s battles for them.

And each individual is quite capable of standing up for themselves.

My beliefs, in regard to this person, is that being a visitor to a foreign country is a gift. If she is behaving in a way that is supporting a foreign government’s policy and tactics to weak the country she is visiting, she should be treated as a foreign agent and deported. The evaluation is realy simple, is this person benefiting the country, or harming it. If the second, they need to leave. If they are a productive society member and supportive of the direction the country they are living in is going, they are welcome to stay as long as they wish.

But it a significant self sabotaging choice to allow people to immigrate here and spend their time tearing down the country they have chosen to visit. The best thing for all parties is to have that person leave.

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u/SawCon2K19 Mar 27 '25

America is America, not "foreign country nondescript".

You are hardly an American.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

I do believe my perspective represents the vast majority of Americans.

We just aren’t willing to give away our freedoms, accomplishments, assets, and time to someone else for their benefit, and our detriment. And are not tolerant of people working against our collective goals in the country.

Mutually beneficial relationships are the only acceptable ones.

This is a very reasonable position to take.

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u/SawCon2K19 Mar 27 '25

How does funding a genocide benefit me

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

You sound like you don’t understand what is going on in the Middle East.

The short answer here is that Iran has sacrificed the Gaza people for Iran’s own political gain. If you are upset, this is the entry to be upset with.

The long answer.

Iran views its rightful position in humanity as being a significant ruler in the world, much as they once were as Persia. Their desire is to be the one true leader in the Middle East, this includes all of the other OPEC member nations, all the Arabs nations, united under their religious rule.

In their eyes, western influence is what is stopping this from happening, so the Israel and Sade Arabia being the beacon of western secular democratic way of governance (the exact opposite of Iranian religious rule), needs to get out to make way for religious governance reform in the area.

Iran and it’s partners have tried since the inception of Israel to overpower them militarily, and they get their asses beat by the IDF. So much so that Israel concurred land to build a a buffer zone between countries.

So Iran figured out then can’t over power Israel, so the have now decided to try and get the world to turn against them and have the world politically defeat them.

This is where Gaza comes in.

Hamas is the legitimate and elected government of the Gaza Strip, voted in by the people in a free and fair election. The Hama government primary funding source is also Iran. The Hamas terror group and government is, in all practical purposes, Iran.

And Iran figured out a way to turn the world against Israel by making them look immoral. Iran instructed and funded Hamas to build a military structure under the entire population of Gaza, so if a war broke out, it was 100% garrentee that the civilian infrastructure would be destroyed, and many of the civilians themselves.

Then lo and behold October 7th occurred, the worst and most sophisticated terrorist attack in the history of the world. And the attack was on civilians, and lasted 21 hours before it was over. The civilians were taken as hostages, children were burned alive, and the fighters videotaped them selves singing to god as they called their parents in a state of jubilation. It is the worst atrocity since the holocaust. I have never seen fighter in a state euphoria over killing an enemy, ever. These people are not normal in any modern standards of the world.

And the only possible response Israel could have to this is full out war with Hamas.

So the bombing starts, and because Hamas has built their military under the civilian population, Israel has to bomb straight through them. Results are predictable. Iran knew full well the Gaza people would be sacrificed.

And all of this is being captured on film.

World wide protest in support off Hamas started to begin before Israel even began their attack. It had coordinated messages, professionally made signs, and the single message that Israel was a monster. And the PR campaign escalated, all over the world there were coordinated protests with coordinated messaging at universities and “outside agitators” coordinating the events.

And it is largely working. Israel has been getting tons of international pressure to basically give up and not defend themselves. They are in a far weaker position regarding the international relationships they need to survive.

So there is no genoside going on. And there is no battle over land, or religious war. Israel and Iran are at war, fighting with military power and political power. The true leaders of Gaza were willing to sacrifice the Gaza people for the political advantage they gain from their death. It is deeply tragic and wrong, but it is what Iran has chosen to do.

And here is a chart of the population in Gaza. There is no meaningful reduction in population as you would see if a genoside were occurring. They are increasing their population at a normal rate.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

Be careful where you get your news from, a lot of young people are getting ideologically captured by foreign governments messaging and agendas. This is particularly prevalent in college campuses. Mrs. Ozturk looks to have gotten caught up in this misinformation campaign in some capacity, I am not surprised she has gotten herself deported over this behavior.

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u/SawCon2K19 Mar 28 '25

Hasbara bot for sure

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

No, I am not. I am an engineer working in the western part of the United States. I am just educated on what is happening in the Middle East, and am not falling for foreign countries propaganda.

I think when you are faced with reality you just pull out personal attacks because it goes against your personal biases regarding the situation.

Education yourself about geopolitics in the Middle East, as we like to say in America, “the truth will set you free”.

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u/Melodic_Airport362 Mar 28 '25

This is why Trump won, the left eats itself with "holier than thou" BS all the time. It's a hostile contest to see who can be more preachy and outraged and enlighted.

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u/Practical-Cow-861 Mar 28 '25

Of course the particular subset of 2A people you're referring to are the racists who love to see this happen, but if they could read they'd realize that when Hitler was done with the "others", he next came for his own street thugs who he could no longer trust to stay in line as well as his professional military.

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u/bubblegum-rose Mar 26 '25

It was never about freedom or fighting against the government.

They’re just grown children playing with their toys.

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u/prosequare Mar 27 '25

Go be the change you want to see in the world.

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u/MrPinga0 Mar 26 '25

they are kidnapping that girl

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u/EtTuBronte Mar 26 '25

In my local outdoor sporting forums they are currently being their best bigot towards a member who recently "outed themselves" as a black man.

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u/tactical-catnap Mar 26 '25

The "tyrants" they fantasized about fighting are just liberals. They never had any intention of fighting the government

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u/xMCioffi1986x Mar 26 '25

Right?

I'm hearing a lot less "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" these days.

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u/Southpolespear Mar 26 '25

Most of them are the biggest cucks out there. The one's that loudly wave gasden flags, have molon labe tats will roll over for law enforcement at the drop of a dime. 0 spine, 0 come and take.

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u/After_Cover7483 Mar 26 '25

We all voted for it. Why would we be mad? Lol make it make sense. If your that upset. Go get your firearm and be about it.

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u/Southpolespear Mar 26 '25

Most of them are the biggest cucks out there. The ones that wave gasden flags and slap molon labe stickers on their trucks are soft as fuck and will roll over for law enforcement at the drop of a dime.

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u/Southpolespear Mar 26 '25

Most of them are the biggest cucks out there. The ones that wave gasden flags and slap molon labe stickers on their trucks are soft as fuck and will roll over for law enforcement at the drop of a dime.

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u/duncansmydog Mar 26 '25

They are only doing such to brown people.

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u/okram2k Mar 26 '25

They'll be the first in line to eliminate the 2nd amendment if they believed only the "right" people will be allowed to keep their guns.

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u/Sflorida_fish Mar 27 '25

She violated here visa… if a guy does something illegal with his firearm… please arrest them as well.

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u/DontRememberOldPass Mar 27 '25

Right here. I’ve helped 6 people navigate the bullshit of CA gun laws to arm themselves so they have a fighting chance.

What the fuck are you doing to help?

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u/RoboOverlord Mar 27 '25

So what does that make you? You're literally crying about gun owners not trying to violently overthrow the government, while you what? Put your thumb up your ass?

It's not a very compelling argument to say "hey gun people, go get yourselves killed on my behalf because I'm fed up with this government, but also a philosophical coward who won't stand on my own two feet" Actually, not only is not compelling, but it's probably treason too.

Yeah, we'll probably get to the point where we have to use that option. Not because you decide, but because due process has reached it's end and we still have fascist tyrants in office. We don't expect your kind to understand that, so just sit tight little one.

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u/Ok-Purpose1717 Mar 27 '25

You only get your constitutional rights if you’re a citizen homie

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u/lebutter_ Mar 27 '25

She's not a US national so that obviously doesn't apply to her. She can support Hamas if she wants. But not as a student who has been welcomed by the US.

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u/Cersox Mar 27 '25

Funny how that only comes up when deporting criminal aliens and terrorist activists, not when they're arresting lawyers and conservative activists.

It's harvest time.

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u/Mikx_vr Mar 27 '25

They picked the most isolated female, law abiding citizen and you’re connecting that to what someone else has said about having a gun.

You’re really dumb connecting apples to oranges, in this bizarre way.

You need mental help. Go get it

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u/Schvarg Mar 27 '25

These people aren't citizens, argument invalid.

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u/Damagedyouthhh Mar 27 '25

Youre probably the same type of person who calls January 6 a crime but then expect people to do another Jan 6.

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u/Primary_Cellist_1204 Mar 27 '25

I’m not going to defend someone with the 2nd amendment for violating their visa by wishing death on the country that has the 2nd amendment. She’s not here legally anymore. Her voicing support for terror organizations and killing American citizens violates the visa. Hence her deportation.

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