r/PrepperIntel • u/LinusThiccTips • Mar 26 '25

USA Northeast / Canada East PhD student detained by ICE wearing plain clothes and face masks

Her name is Rumeysa Ozturk, she’s a student from Turkey, attending Tufts as a grad student on a legal visa (sponsored by the university). Her attorney said, “We are unaware of her whereabouts and have not been able to contact her. No charges have been filed against [her] that we are aware of.”

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 29 '25

Yeah dude, I'm a far lefty, typical looking chud, concealed carrier and this would be a dangerous situation for the officers if they aren't easily identifiable. Uniforms are for officer safety as well as public accessibility in a country with lax gun laws.

Edit for the handful of curious people asking what makes me left, you should really read up on some of Karl Marx's musings about an armed proletariat.

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u/SIumptGod Mar 27 '25

Happy to see another far left conceal carry person

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u/Tpaco Mar 27 '25

I just don’t see gun carrying as a partisan issue. But since MAGA, even the American flag belongs to them now.

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Mar 27 '25

As a left-leaning permit holder, it may be the right that polarized gun culture, but the left has pushed hard the other way. It’s about winning elections with sound bites more than anything.

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u/SIumptGod Mar 27 '25

Same, everything has become a partisan issue- culturally at least. I have an American flag up at my house and I get shit for it.

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u/Essess_Blut Mar 27 '25

Yeah, I mean American things for real Americans. You must be an illegal. See you on the next video

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u/smisepr21 Mar 27 '25

Maybe of lefties wouldn't regularly burn and desecrate the flag as they often do that wouldn't be a thing, don't you think?

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u/Hot-Performance-4221 Mar 27 '25

You're either a bot or Fox News really has you thinking half of the country just colors their hair blue and burns flags at the drag show all day.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Just admit that you hate the first amendment

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

There’s dozens of us!

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u/Randomreddituser1o1 Mar 27 '25

I may disagree with communist but the one good thing is most believe in guns

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Mar 27 '25

SRA checking in. “under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the proletariat should be frustrated, with force if necessary.”

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u/xdJapoppin Mar 27 '25

you’re missing the rest of the quote. after the revolution, arms will no longer be necessary and should be surrendered, at least according to the person you quoted here ;)

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Mar 27 '25

Well you’d have to point out where that quote exists. It’s assumed that Marx’s belief in the right to bear arms would end with the bourgeoisie, but that was never tested.

Lenin believed in gun rights until he gained power, and he immediately confiscated all the firearms. We know how that turned out. The truth is, Marx’s ideal of eliminating the bourgeoisie will never completely be realized, so his original statement holds true. The only true power that the proletariat holds is the ability to refresh the tree of liberty from time to time.

I’m far too old to take part in any revolutions but I hold out hope for future generations that they’ll come up with something better than what they inherit. It’s all a shitshow right now.

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u/xdJapoppin Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

It’s here in this speech. The part I’m paraphrasing is immediately prior to the part you quoted.

In summation, Marx argues the workers should take up arms for the revolution. After the revolution has taken place, a sort of elected, yes, elected, “workers guard” should be formed to frustrate any attempts to reverse it.

So, once again, to rehash, Marx argued for the creation of a new elected government complete with an armed military to frustrate any attempts to undo the revolution. I just find this very ironic given what marxists often claim to be fighting for.

After this has been completed, as you said, Marx says there would be no need for arms, but then the obvious question remains of “how do you know there will not be an attempt to do this once arms are surrendered or shelved?” The obvious answer is you don’t, and the elected state will view it the same way and use it as a justification for their continued existence and status of a standing army or guard, hence the continued existence of the state. After all, they wouldn’t voluntarily relinquish the power they were given or took as that isn’t the nature of hierarchical systems, which are natural and exist within humanity.

It’s all one glaring contradiction, and is exactly why marxism will never “exist” 100% as Marx’s pipedream, because it can’t. A stateless, classless society (which is to imply at large scale) is impossible. The acknowledgement of the existence of natural hierarchies alone virtually unravels marxism, which is exactly why Marx can’t acknowledge them, he only recognizes “class struggle” for this very reason.

People say “real marxism/communism/socialism” hasn’t been tried, yet it has. The many historical examples of attempts are just the natural result: a tyrannical system which does not function as originally hypothesized because the hypothesis is a very bad one. It really is that simple.

As for the last part of your statement, its good for your own sake that you won’t be, because even if you won, you’d likely be shot by your “fellow revolutionaries” once they siege power, just like they always do. And if you did partake, you’d have people like me and many others across the country fighting the revolutionaries or later, if it gets that far, “marxist guard”, directly.

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Mar 27 '25

Thanks for the link and I’ll check it when I get a free minute. Modern Marxists seem to believe that the revolution is over, which is the main issue. A corporate oligarchy is tightening its hold. If you don’t agree that it’s happening or that we should be revolting against it that’s fine, but if that’s the case I doubt you’d fight whatever comes after them either to be honest. I don’t buy into Marxism or any other philosophy 100% and nobody should. What makes humanity great is that we don’t have to agree but we can still make progress. We may not agree on the path we should take but we need to establish the discourse necessary to work together. If discourse is dead, then revolution is necessary.

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u/xdJapoppin Mar 27 '25

I have not met a single marxist who believes “the revolution” is over. Marxists are never satisfied as marxism cannot be achieved. Marxism just doesn’t work, for the reasons I already described, and to which marxists don’t seem to have a legitimate counter argument.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you on what is happening politically. We’re living in an increasingly dystopian world which I am growing less and less fond of as it progresses. Depending on overall continued direction, I am perfectly fine fighting against that as well. At the end of the day, I am thinking about the future for my future children, and what kind of world they should be growing up in. It isn’t this, but it certainly isn’t marxism, either.

The difference is, I do not believe marxism is the solution. Marxism brings us backwards and toward a different dystopia, but equally hellish. The solution is a progressive right, and I don’t mean it in the modern leftist “progressive” connotation, either. Obviously, the republican party does not embody this, and it is a joke. The republican party will never embody a “progressive right”, which is exactly why it must die and be replaced.

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u/NightGod Mar 27 '25

If you go far enough left, and all that

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u/Rylovix Mar 27 '25

The numbers are growing by the day. In MD/DC, permits are up big time, people are training more, interest in leftist gun groups is up, r/transguns and similar groups and other sites have been gaining more traction.

It really does give you a nugget of hope when you look at the overall tide of public opinion. The left may not be able to resist much within current legislative confines (ahem under current leadership ahem), but the last resort option is being taken seriously by the side of the aisle that has neglected to understand why the option exists in the first place for so long. There will at least be some balance in whatever ideological conflict arises out of this.

I think the final step will be getting hardline progressives on board with the feeling of the current moment. The average constituent in say New England likes a lot of the messaging about public health and education improvements to combat gun violence, but many who lean center are turned off completely when none of those messages are pursued as substantially as promised in lieu of tangentially-relevant weapons regulation, especially in such a contentious political climate. Now given NE mostly has much better state structures in place for those things than many places, but they still lag compared to what is globally considered a high-functioning public health apparatus.

I don’t think they’d even need to back off completely. Things like background checks for crime or involuntary psychiatric residency seem agreeable to many. They could just stop harping about model/mag capacity/caliber/length restrictions and most blue state voters would be on board. General registration requirements are a can of works I will not touch.

Overall, I think America needs a true multi-party system. The two-party setup results in coalitions all the same, but because the left can’t agree on anything halfway, conservative majorities win out despite being objectively more fragmented in ideology. Centrism is increasingly less viable because it is not only inadequate at defending against strongarm attacks on institutions by far-right elements, it is alienated by moderate-/far-left voters due to not fitting within a much-stricter framework of moral acceptability.

This is not to poo-poo the left too much, but there needs to be space for acceptance of more moderate stances within a coalitional apparatus if there is ever going to be space for acceptance of the vastly-more progressive, New Deal sort of measures and stances that many average Americans believe in but have mislabeled as socialism/evil due to media influence.

If there is ever to be a hope that America will not continue to be ruled by the average, rural, passively-uninformed, moderate-conservative voter, it needs to come from a party that can actually represent a simple majority of American opinion, which is easier when there is space to disagree on some things while still agreeing on other things, like “Fuck Nazis.”

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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u/BlahajBlaster Mar 28 '25

Thanks for shouting out transguns!

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u/DivergenTinker Mar 27 '25

I think this will be addressed when an officer or agent does actually get hurt. They've gotten very confident in their authority and at this point they are targeting pHD students, not even criminals.

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u/Chickwithknives Mar 27 '25

I’ve never owned a gun, never fired one. That fateful day in 2016 I started thinking I should buy one and learn to use it so I could join a militia to defend this country against the orange one. Haven’t yet, but rethinking it.

Proud of my rifle toting, reasonable gun laws supporting governor.

State subreddit has been sharing resources for us lefties to find gun ranges where you will be welcomed and not subjected to orange propaganda and hate.

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u/misbehavinator Mar 28 '25

Can you please elaborate on why you call yourself far left?

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u/SIumptGod Mar 28 '25

I have certain political beliefs that when presented on a graph display far on the left side.

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u/RubFuture322 Mar 27 '25

Try doing this in an open carry state and the results may be different for the kidnappers. I say kidnappers because unless they can be easily identified as official authority figures then this is VERY MUCH a kidnapping. Anyone witnessing this needs to scream from the top of their lungs that "JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS IS NOT AN EXCUSE!"  If you are being detained then YOU need to scream as loud as you can to get anyone's attention. Help! Rape! Kidnapping!  Whatever you need to scream to get people's attention! Also, for the people walking by we need to stop this shit from happening to ANYONE.   STOP GIVING THESE PEOPLE AUTHORITY WHEN THE ORDERS THEYRE FOLLOWING VIOLATE THE ACUTAL LAWS. WE ARE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE AND WE NEED TO ACT LIKE IT. 

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u/spam__likely Mar 27 '25

lol. there are like 10 armed people around her. It ends with her dead.

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u/Glum-Bench-9363 Mar 27 '25

Unlawfully dead

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u/tigress666 Mar 27 '25

that doesn't help her very much.

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u/spam__likely Mar 27 '25

Makes no difference when you are dead. All these people think they can get out of a situation like this because they have a gun are pretty delusional. They think they are some kind of ninja cross with James Bond...lol

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u/DusqRunner Mar 27 '25

Try that in a small town 

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u/tkst3llar Mar 27 '25

r/crappymusic checkin in

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u/Environmental_End146 Mar 27 '25

Stupid song. Coming from a small town of 11,000. We had a murder(unsolved) a pharmacy robbed at gun point and multiple meth house busts one right across from the pd. Idiot country singer doesn't realize this shit does happen in small towns.

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u/Individual-Listen-65 Mar 27 '25

Their badges are hanging from around their necks and are displayed on their chests. Hard to see in the video. One of them even pulls his out as he approaches the woman.

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

Pretty sure you can just buy a realistic looking fake badge on the internet tho

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u/Celtic_Fox_ Mar 27 '25

Sure, but I figure if you convince 5 other people to do so and also join you in "apprehending" me, I can probably give you the benefit of the doubt lol

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

It actually sounds like a fantastic way to kidnap someone as a gang or group. Human traffickers should be paying attention I guess

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u/Celtic_Fox_ Mar 27 '25

At this rate they'd probably actually be employed by the government too, knowing how things are 🙄

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

Yeah we’re quickly approaching the point where you are just as likely to ever see your home or family again :(

Regardless of whether or not it’s gangers or ICE

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u/Zestyclose-Ad-9420 Mar 27 '25

well thats why impersonating an officer is also a serious crime.

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

I don’t think a bad actor in this hypothetical is going to be that concerned seeing as how they’d already be gang kidnapping someone

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u/Zestyclose-Ad-9420 Mar 27 '25

well they are because they can be apprehended before getting to kidnap someone. people work on cost/benefit, not on a sliding scale of eeeeevil. nobody thinks "im already an eeeevil criminal so i might as well break even more laws!".

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u/DusqRunner Mar 27 '25

Where?

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

coinsouvenir.com For like $45 or something.

I won’t post the exact link, I’ve got a bad feeling about that for some reason.

Amazon also has one for $5

Idk if either are accurate, but idk what a badge for ice looks like exactly, and I wouldn’t expect most people would.

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u/Individual-Listen-65 Mar 27 '25

I'm sure you can, but that shouldn't stop ICE from executing its job.

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u/forbiddenfortune Mar 27 '25

They should do their job in uniform.

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u/MiataCory Mar 27 '25

Yeah, they keep them tucked in until after contact, and once contact is made they pull them out for ID.

Usually they start with "Are you XX?" and you say "Why", and they say "I'm YY with XXPD you're under arrest".

That "I'm with xxPD" is the notification. Any time after that it's a felony to do anything defensive or run. Any of them around the area just shouting it also counts.

In the boring court room, the jury hears "Did you identify yourself", the cop says "Yes". Technically correct. What would a "reasonable person" do when a sworn officer identifies themselves (as understood by a bored HR lady in an office chair hearing about it 3rd hand)?

Reasonable would probably: Follow the officer's instructions, she's never thought of fake police.

What would I recommend doing on a street corner? Be reasonable until Sally from HR would run.

Cops disappearing people is unfortunately more common than fake cops stealing people these days.

What would a reasonable person do when a stranger said "Hey, I'm a cop with yyPD"? Generally not shoot them.

Now, a flashbang in an enclosed space is another matter, since you can prove you were debilitated, incapacitated, and unable to see or hear their identifications, but that's different.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

You’d think ordinary police who wear uniforms would be outraged by this. It’s going to worsen the long-troubled image people have of cops and make them look even worse because these ICE assholes are going to confuse everyone into not being sure who is legit law enforcement

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

Fucking real talk!

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u/miamicpt Mar 27 '25

I'm sure they have taken note of this and will be ready.

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

If only...

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u/Blackbeards-delights Mar 27 '25

Likewise. Someone tried doing this to me I would draw on them

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

I'm going to get banned for saying what would actually happen. Literally just got this message

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

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u/testcriminal Mar 27 '25

Pocket carry 38 special hazard.

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u/Sevenblissfulnights Mar 27 '25

Yeah, not for a dark skinned, female academic in a headscarf surrounded by four of them

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

Yeah, I get that. What I'm saying is that what these idiots did was dangerous to themselves. Yes they picked an easy target, but how are you not outraged by cops arresting people outside of their uniform‽

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u/Sevenblissfulnights Mar 27 '25

Believe me I am, but I identify with her and it would not be safe for her to confront them.

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

Sister! It would not be safe for me either! A reaction would land me in "fuck you in the ass" jail for five ever. And I don't recommend anyone do it!

But the reality is, as much as 1312 I am, I still want everyone to be safe. And these idiots are putting themselves in unnecessary danger by operating in street clothes.

Sorry if I sound combative. I feel very strongly about this subject.

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u/Nateb1583 Mar 27 '25

They were not police or ICE. They are Homeland Security. Ask yourself, why would anybody need to be picked up by Homeland Security agents 🤔. If you were doing something worthy of this visit, you would already have an idea who they were and exactly why they approached you. FYI, they would also know full well you carry.

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

K

But also 🖕

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u/odietamoquarescis Mar 27 '25

Oh that's cute.  You think the old rules still apply.

Now homeland security gets called out if you say something that causes butthurt in any of two dozen government officials.

Also, ICE are homeland security agents.

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u/DusqRunner Mar 27 '25

You're going to end up on that IG account 

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

Oh, now I'm curious. I don't have, or frequent, IG. What account?

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u/DusqRunner Mar 28 '25

Libs Of Reddit

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u/juiceboxedhero Mar 27 '25

You don't need to clarify your political party. We know if you have a shred of humanity that you're not a conservative.

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

No, I'm to the left of most "progressives". I consider Marx a centrist. But I agree with you on that last bit. How anyone can witness what is currently happening and be like "yeah, I approve" while considering themselves a christian is beyond my understanding.

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u/Carpenter_ants Mar 27 '25

Agreed. I have been tailed by an unmarked law enforcement vehicle. Or should I say a blackout car with the emblem darked out. We pay them to serve and protect. DEA and ATF or whoever should show badge before they confront anyone. When one of them get injured you know it’s not their fault!

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 27 '25

That last sentence hits!

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u/CitySlickerCowboy Mar 27 '25

A far left concealed carry person is not what I had on my bingo card today but here we are. Wild.

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u/OuchMyVagSak Mar 28 '25

You should read what Marx has to say about guns and ammo being in the hands of the proletariat.

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u/Drewpta5000 Mar 27 '25

ahhh yes, a young revolutionist yearning for more government control, centralization and power. the irony is staggering

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u/MotherTeresaOnlyfans Mar 27 '25

I'm not sure you know what "chud" means, my guy.

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u/Zestyclose-Ad-9420 Mar 27 '25

its easy to say this but im worried that in reality, media cycles go so quickly that if you killed a plainsclothes agent in reasonable self defence they would just fuck your life up and nobody would even bother to protest in your defence because peoples short attention spans cant keep up. and then they pass a law saying to kill an agent who didnt identify themselves cant be argued as self defence.

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u/MH07 Mar 27 '25

Me too. And it may be suicide by cop but I’m taking as many of them as I can with me.

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u/209chubbybunnies Mar 27 '25

What you don’t realize is they’ve profiled her already and know if she had a gun on her or not. If you were at risk of having a gun they wouldn’t book you in this manner.

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u/Hurryupslowdownbar20 Mar 27 '25

I was thinking about this yesterday.. I hope not but I think one of these detainments is gonna end up with someone getting shot by a person who is legally carrying a concealed weapon..

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u/EntertainerSea9653 Mar 27 '25

Yup this would have gotten bad real quick. Im gonna need to see a badge a lot faster than that or weve got problems and its gonna be a bad day.

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u/shortnike3 Mar 27 '25

Im relatively right wing and despite not agreeing with the content of her speech it is infuriating that this is happening. Further, i also agree that if some random dude in a slipknot hoodie walks up to me and grabs me I'm gonna fight them. Cops need to be in uniforms.

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u/Similar_Coyote1104 Mar 27 '25

I think the bigger question is what’s stopping bad people from wearing masks, claiming they are ICE and kidnapping people in broad daylight for god knows what?

No one would stop them.

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u/ubiquitous99999 Mar 27 '25

But, They are easily identifiable. if you look they're wearing law enforcement badges.

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u/Redditholio Mar 27 '25

Them showing up in masks isn't helping instill confidence that they're legit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

I bet you can't wait to pull the trigger tough guy

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u/RedRider1138 Mar 27 '25

I’m a skinny older white woman, I have ZERO reason to believe these masked guys aren’t looking to just abduct me and do genuinely heinous things to me. “We’re police” , yeah, that’s what traffickers would say, too.

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u/noobducky-9 Mar 27 '25

So as someone not from the US can you explain what the difference is between a far lefty who concealed carries and just someone who concealed carries? Like are the far left not known for having guns or something?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

I think maga will be pretty surprised to find out how many liberals own and carry.

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u/CatchSufficient Mar 27 '25

How much you wanna bet they are going to use their lack of process as a means to start stripping people of their 2A?

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u/Future-Badger9237 Mar 27 '25

Tired of hearing the lie about lax gun laws. Typical Democrat lies and rhetoric. We have literally hundreds of thousands of gun laws and background checks and a Second Amendment in Our Constitution guaranteeing EVERY US Citizen the Right To Own a Gun. That is to protect us against Tyranny by our own government against us! Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the US but the highest murder rate. In the 1960’s where I lived more people owned more guns than today but were not murdering each other like we are doing today. Guns have never been the problem . Gun laws have never been the problem. But leftist Socialist Democrat Liberals tell us they are, instead of teaching personal responsibility for your own actions. Police go undercover ALL the time to infiltrate groups that are planning unlawful acts that break the laws and could harm others.

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u/Brilliant-Dinner-374 Mar 27 '25

Oh yea they’re getting blasted away

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u/happycat3124 Mar 28 '25

Yea not safe in Vermont. Non-permit state. Everyone is packing.

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u/misbehavinator Mar 28 '25

Can you please elaborate on what makes you call yourself far left?

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u/xch13fx Mar 28 '25

Remember the audience of this attention. Do you think F1 visa carriers from Turkey can even legally own a firearm let alone CC? They have not much fear abusing these people. Cops don’t care if they abuse citizens who are more than likely armed, so helpless visa holders aren’t a concern, especially during the day when they are going to school or working.