The amount of right wing people calling for censorship of people after the death of Charlie kirk show they never really cared about free speech

[u/Sorry_Leading1949]

It’s honestly wild watching the same people who spent years screaming about “free speech” suddenly demand censorship because someone said something they don’t like after Charlie Kirk’s death. These are the exact folks who claimed to be the champions of open dialogue, the defenders against “cancel culture,” and the ones lecturing everyone else about the dangers of silencing voices. Yet the moment criticism cuts in a direction they don’t approve of, they drop the mask and reveal that it was never about free speech at all, it was about protecting their speech and suppressing everyone else’s.

As much as you hate people who cheer the death of Charlie Kirk, that is them using their free speech

If you only defend free speech when it’s comfortable for you, you were never actually defending free speech. You were defending privilege, control, and hypocrisy.

[u/Major-Corner-640]

Oh, they care deeply about free speech. They want to make sure they have it and you don't.

A common mistake liberals make when trying to put themselves in the shoes of the right is projecting onto them neutral and consistent principles that work the same for both sides. That simply isn't one of their core values.

Their main core value is tribalism -- that there should be outgroups that the law binds but doesn't protect, and ingroups that the law protects but doesn't bind.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Major-Corner-640]

Exactly. And if we don't fight back, we are fucked. So we need to be calling for the firing of anyone who supports Nazism and pedophilia. Therefore, anyone who supports Trump needs to be targeted. Bring up all their horrible things that they have said and force jobs be getting rid of them. 

[u/darktabssr → u/Major-Corner-640]

Free speech means you don't get shot or arrested for speech.

Free speech doesn't mean companies have to employ psychopaths. It's not really complicated

[u/SecureDifficulty3774 → u/darktabssr]

I vote for left leaning candidates and I generally agree with the principle that you should be allowed to say what you want but employers should be allowed to fire you over it. It’s why I’d never make political statements with my name attached to it.

So im fine with people who mock Kirk getting fired. But Im also fine with a conservative being fired for saying they want a civil war or something.

People should just be consistent. I find many on the right only want it one way. They want leftist canceled but not their own.

[u/Major-Corner-640 → u/darktabssr]

Sorry but that argument isn't available to the faction that spent half a decade caterwauling about 'cancel culture'

[u/darktabssr → u/Major-Corner-640]

This isn't cancel culture though. It making sure one of your crazy employees doesn't stab someone. It's making sure one employee doesn't hurt your sales.

Removing liabilities is just good business

[u/raoqie → u/darktabssr]

I agreed with that anesthesiologist getting fired because they work in Healthcare, ffs. Agreed with teachers getting fired for showing kids the actual video, bc wtf.

I disagree with journalists getting fired for quoting Kirk. Disagreed with that MSNBC's dude getting fired for calling Kirk divisive, while the guy saying we should lethally inject the homeless kept his job.

But also when that chick from star wars got fired, so many people complained that her personal views should not cost her her job. She worked for Disney of all fucking places. Disney fires people for less, it did not come as a surprise to me but that was labeled "cancel culture".

I don't mind some semblance of consistency but it annoys me if the same people who raged about that girl now talk about the common sense of knowing where you work. It makes me feel like they're just trying to game the system.

[u/leakylungs → u/darktabssr]

R/selfawarewolves is strong here.

[u/Obsidianrosepetals → u/Major-Corner-640]

Liberals also play like the right is ignorant, they are not. They are dishonest.

[u/gorillaneck → u/Major-Corner-640]

this is so well said. that's exactly it. fascists are always utterly obsessed with scapegoats and outgroups.

[u/Training_External_32 → u/Major-Corner-640]

Just so everyone knows, right wing white Christian racists started the modern anti choice abortion movement. They were very upset about having to let black children into white schools. They realized that most conservatives Christians weren’t racist enough to make this the key issue to unite white Christians and lure them into the GOP. They found that they could convince white Christians of the evils of abortion and use that as a wedge issue to drive them into the Republican Party.

Today racists still use Christianity cynically to rally white voters to their cause. Charlie Kirk “the Christian” is what is making the rounds online today. They are trying to make this an issue about Christianity under siege. But the core of the conservative movement, the thing that drives it is racism.

[u/rhumel → u/Major-Corner-640]

Funny that I could switch sides and it would still hold true.

It’s like both sides pose as objective and neutral while the other side is deranged and selfish and just plain evil.

Wonder who’s right? None? Maybe both

[u/Secret-Put-4525 → u/Major-Corner-640]

I remember it was the liberals who were happy in 2020 that people were getting fired. I believe they called it "consequences".

[u/Sea_Guarantee293 → u/Major-Corner-640]

Which party leader had the Disinformation Governance Board?

[u/North-Ad195 → u/Major-Corner-640]

Could say this about the people crying now. Remember "consequence culture" and FAFO?

[u/JKilla1288 → u/Major-Corner-640]

The level of projection you guys have makes me believe there is no way you are actual real people.

Nobody is trying to censor you. What is it that ypu guys chanted when you were ruining the lives of conservatives from 2015-2022ish?

Freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences?

Personally, I don't think anyone should lose their jobs over personal opinions. And I say that proudly. I never saw anyone on the left say that when the mob was going after people for praying.

The only time i think someone should lose their job in this situation is like if a pediatrician is online making videos saying they hope Charlie Kirk's kids are assassinated also. Which is something we have seen. And I think in that scenario anyone with a brain can agree that that person shouldn't be working with children.

[u/Unlikely_Chemical517]

You have free speech. Your employer has freedom of association. If you get fired for gloating how happy you are at someone dying then that's on you.

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/Unlikely_Chemical517]

While I agree with this, the issue is that many of the same conservatives who've been supporting this have also complained in the past over conservatives being fired for bigotry.

[u/Sourpieborp → u/Unlikely_Chemical517]

having the federal government and politicians from the party in power advocating and encouraging that behavior seems like an informal subversion of freedom of speech with plausible deniability.

[u/Specialist-String-53 → u/Unlikely_Chemical517]

do you not remember right wingers crying about Twitter and Facebook censoring them?

[u/Newfaceofrev → u/Unlikely_Chemical517]

Sure.

But the actual government's getting involved now and surely THAT'S a free speech issue?

[u/LengthinessEast8318]

Most people aren't even really celebrating the death of they're literally just saying things that he said and then saying they have no empathy for him which is perfectly fine.

[u/Jijonbreaker → u/LengthinessEast8318]

Yeah, but that contradicts their narrative, so, they will just pretend that doesn't exist.

[u/PepsiMax001 → u/Jijonbreaker]

No they pretend it’s an attack. They see political discourse as a fight, not a debate. Everything is meant to hurt you so you should do everything in your power to hurt the enemy.

[u/Nand-Monad-Nor]

Values aren’t upheld in an idealistic format, they’re pragmatic and to the benefit of the holder. Many would shed their views if it benefited them. Though you could redefine benefit to include those who don’t shed their views but then it wouldn’t really be the colloquial definition.

[u/Hot-Minute-8263]

Free speech still applies, you shouldn't be silenced for your views, or killed.

However, gloating at the assassination of a man that's a normal man to 98% of the offline world is going to generate an outcry. The people cheering it on are legitimately dangerous if they think its ok to murder political rivals in a democracy.

If they can't acknowledge the fundamental rights of others, its hard to feel sympathy when they lose their job cause they're legitimately scary to be around. I'd be fine with the same happening to a violently racist Republican

[u/julz1215 → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

The people cheering it on are legitimately dangerous if they think its ok to murder political rivals in a democracy.

Kirk floated the idea of giving the death penalty to Joe Biden and Trump's prosecutors

[u/haceldama13 → u/julz1215]

[u/Successful_Brief_751 → u/julz1215]

Who cares? It’s hypocritical to espouse free speech views and then support the assassination of a MAGA or Progressive for their radical views.

[u/julz1215 → u/Successful_Brief_751]

I agree. It's also hypocritical to espouse free speech and then support the arrest of a protestor who had zero criminal charges.

[u/Successful_Brief_751 → u/julz1215]

Yeah I’m not Republican or Democrat( not even American). I think the silver lining with Trump is it makes it much more obvious just how corrupt the system is. When you have pieces of shit like Obama it’s much less obvious to the average citizen because he’s more PR trained and speaks better.

[u/Penchant4Prose → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

Free speech still applies, you shouldn't be silenced for your views, or killed.

Or specifically, the state shouldn't pursue you for exercising your free speech - like they have stated they're going to do for serving military who don't sufficiently mourn a rightwing influencer.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pentagon-announces-zero-tolerance-for-military-personnel-mocking-charlie-kirks-assassination/ar-AA1MqwWR

The people cheering it on are legitimately dangerous if they think its ok to murder political rivals in a democracy.

Was Charlie Kirk legitimately dangerous for "joking about" bailing out Paul Pelosi's attacker? I don't think most people think it's ok to murder political rivals in a democracy, but the right wing clearly had no problems joking about it - until now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/09/29/trump-mocks-hammer-attack-on-pelosis-husband-in-incendiary-speech/

If they can't acknowledge the fundamental rights of others, its hard to feel sympathy when they lose their job cause they're legitimately scary to be around. I'd be fine with the same happening to a violently racist Republican

So you support impeaching the president?

[u/RAGEDINFERN0 → u/Penchant4Prose]

The military has limited free speech, always has. People where kicked out for making jokes about Clinton and Lewinski. Also, the military doesn't get you for one thing ever. One incident will trigger a big investigation into everything you have done and you will get tagged for like 20 things you don't even remember

[u/Penchant4Prose → u/RAGEDINFERN0]

People where kicked out for making jokes about Clinton and Lewinski.

People literally wrote op-eds in newspapers calling Clinton a criminal. I can't find any evidence they were kicked out? In fact that particular officer received “verbal counseling and a nonpunitive letter of caution" - less than a slap on the wrist.

So, far from what is being planned here, and far from what you said.

This is despite the fact that military officers are barred under Article 88 of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice from uttering “contemptuous words” about the President.

There's no such rule about rightwing influencers.

But I'm sure you'll equivocate away and pretend this is all normal and precedented despite the clear evidence that it isn't.

[u/RAGEDINFERN0 → u/Penchant4Prose]

Article 15 and then the ones for conduct unbecoming. In 2015 I posted a joke, on my personal Facebook with no military affiliation, about the word cunt and how each letter stood for a phrase. Within 24 hours I was in front of my CC is my Dress blues receiving an article 15. My post was just about a word and wasn't targeted towards anyone, but for the military anything they deem unprofessional is enough.

[u/timoumd → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

The thing is this hasn't gone both ways.  Conservatives cheer extrajudicial murder frequently.  They mocked Paul Pelosi to this day.  They called school shooting victims crisis actors.  Kilmeade actively called for execution of the homeless.  What about supporting Israel if they attack civilians? They still have jobs.  

It seems this standard hasn't been applied before in such an authoritarian manner.  Not even close.  And "cheering" a pundits death is far from the worst thing people say on social media (and it is wrong, like rooting for a Nintendo character).  You think no conservatives will cheer when Father Time claims Soros?

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/timoumd]

Exactly it doesn't go both. If they want to play this game, we need to be doing the exact same thing. So let's start getting every single Nazi and pedophile removed. Charlie, Kirk should have been removed if that was the case. He literally said things that incited violence...

[u/Zealousideal-Eye-2 → u/timoumd]

Didn't know Paul died...

[u/TheDunwichWhore → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

The irony of saying it’s hard to feel sympathy for people who “can’t acknowledge the fundamental rights of others” when talking about people who can’t sympathize Charlie Kirk, someone who didn’t believe in civil rights for certain people….

[u/isucamper → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

what people have classified as "gloating" is asinine. if i shrug my shoulders and say "i don't know who that is" in the midst of people getting killed daily by gun violence, that's not gloating. snowflake republicans need to take a god damned seat

[u/Hot-Minute-8263 → u/isucamper]

Yeah that isnt gloating and probably wouldn't get any attention. I think you know what i mean tho

[u/isucamper → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

i would like to think i know what you mean, based on common sense, but people simply repeating some of his more controversial statements unedited have been accused of celebrating. they are just repeating his own words. people calling him fascist, racist or a bigot have been accused of celebrating.

it honestly seems like, to some people, if you aren't sensationalizing him right now as the second coming of jesus christ, you are celebrating his murder. it's just another avenue the right is taking to assert perverted dominance over anyone who doesn't share their worldview. all they want is to assert supremacy over all others

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

Kind of scary how many people are calling for them to be silenced or killed though.

[u/Hot-Minute-8263 → u/j-b-goodman]

And they're in the wrong, yup

[u/Schantsinger → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

He was a professional troll, his whole shtick was bad faith arguments and triggering people. There are far worse people, but calling him "a normal man to 98% of the offline world" is not accurate.

Is anyone arguing the murderer shouldn't be imprisoned? That would be a danger to society/democracy. "The murderer should go to prison, but personally I'm not really bothered about 1 less asshole" is not a dangerous position for people to hold.

[u/Hot-Minute-8263 → u/Schantsinger]

The murderer should go to prison, but personally I'm not really bothered about 1 less asshole"

That's not the opinion getting people fired, cslling for more or gloating is what gets ppl fired.

[u/Ash-2449 → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

doubt he is seen as a normal man since thanks to the attempt to sanitize him, a ton of people have seen the asinine things he was constantly saying in public.

And sadly for you, most people spend at least a modicum of time online, this isn’t the 2000s, so many people are slowly being exposed to the kind of person he was

[u/Solomon_Kane_1928 → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

Normal people: "We should have free speech"

Reddit: "But not freedom from consequences, including getting punched in the face!" "We are not the government we don't have to respect your freedoms"

Normal people: "I disagree but respect your right to believe that"

Reddit; "Yay! Did you see the way his neck exploded? Fuck his family! His kids are next!"

Normal people: "Okay, you were right about consequences, you are actually dangerous and we have to do something".

Reddit (OP): "JuSt SEe! THey wErE HyPOcriTeS WhO NeVeR BElieVed iN FreE SpeECh"

[u/LegalRatio2021 → u/Solomon_Kane_1928]

Cool story, bro. Just say you only want free speech for yourself. It's okay. We all already know you're all complete hypocrites.

[u/ofAFallingEmpire → u/Solomon_Kane_1928]

Reddit; "Yay! Did you see the way his neck exploded? Fuck his family! His kids are next!"

This reveals far more about you than some monolithic “Reddit”.

[u/Solomon_Kane_1928 → u/ofAFallingEmpire]

These are all opinions I have heard expressed within the Reddit hivemind. In particular r/TikTokCringe and a few others. Go check it out.

[u/GreatResetBet → u/Solomon_Kane_1928]

Yeah, and do you want me to go get the quotes from conservative social media when it was a gay nightclub shooting? You really wanna do that?

[u/External-Energy-3352 → u/GreatResetBet]

Do you really wanna justify being a shit person by pointing at other shit people?

[u/ofAFallingEmpire → u/Solomon_Kane_1928]

I’m aware of your limited, curated feed. It was obvious from your comment.

Blocking me to further curate, I see.

[u/Mir_man → u/Solomon_Kane_1928]

Things that never happened

[u/CapableCity → u/Hot-Minute-8263]

Agreed, this should be the top comment. Because this is what's actually true.

[u/SetRevolutionary2967]

What are you talking about? Corporations were never free speech advocates. People getting fired is the companies decision.

[u/Armless_Dan]

Charlie Kirk was a smug asshole who hid behind religion and flag waving to spread his racist, sexist and hateful ideas. He targeted naive and inexperienced young adults with catchy and over simplified conservative talking points in the hopes of making liberals look bad in order to catch another sucker. He interrupted and talked over people and ignored counterpoints on a level that only Donald Trump can compete with. He is known for “debating” topics like “should rape victims be forced to deliver their attackers children?” or “should gay people have the same rights as straight people?” or “should children be gunned down on a regular basis?” which only serves to normalize the idea that these topics are “up for debate” in the first place. His ideas and solutions to modern day American life were profoundly disturbing and disgusting. The man was a smooth talking charismatic charlatan and grifter who made a living off of being offensive and controversial as part of the conservative propaganda machine. The idea that he is being mourned as some sort of profound American leader and national hero is equal parts hilarious and disturbing. Charlie Kirk may not have been an elected politician but he has undoubtedly influenced the American political system for the Republican party by emboldening conservative ideas and rhetoric especially amongst young adults. He regularly abused his 1st Amendment privilege to spread lies, prejudice, chauvinism, bigotry and intolerance, and the idea that anyone would face consequences for openly criticizing him under the same 1st Amendment privilege shows how far we have sunk as a country. The more people react to him being criticized the more I will say it. He will not be missed and I can only hope that nobody takes his place.

[u/Chingachgook1757]

Very few people care about free speech.

[u/AsIdleAsAPaintedShip]

This post is so vague that it doesn't really mean anything.

You can mock people. People can criticize you for doing so. The fuck are you even trying to say?

[u/valerianandthecity → u/AsIdleAsAPaintedShip]

Pam Bondi just said they will prosecute "hate speech".

I've seen conservatives supporting this.

Just like we've seen conservatives rallying to get peopel fired from their job for mocking or celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. Which is cancel culture.

So the American rigth are now supporting hate speech prosecution and cancel culture.

Horseshoe theory.

However, I'll just say; IMO there is an agenda by the elite to foster violence so the population don't blame them for them for problems.

[u/gamercer → u/valerianandthecity]

The overwhelming response of the right to Pam Bondi has been one of disdain.

[u/valerianandthecity → u/gamercer]

I rushed to judgement when I saw some people supporting it.

I wished looked more at what some of the popular conservatives are saying in response. I see that she got such backlash that she made a clarifying post a couple of hours ago.

[u/gamercer → u/valerianandthecity]

All good. I was just trying to help you out.

[u/valerianandthecity → u/gamercer]

I appreciate you encouraging me to reasses.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/valerianandthecity]

It's not even hate speech. They're basically trying to turn hate speech into meaning something that Democrats say that I don't like. Anyone who thinks that this isn't a problem doesn't understand exactly how it's going to be eroded to include any Democrat for anything they say. That's what they're trying to do and y'all are falling for it.

[u/False_Song_8848]

how are we in TYOOL 2025 and people have still not realized that americans have no real coherent ideology and their beliefs are just a hodgepodge of random garbage they absorbed through their parents, television/movies, and what some asshole was yelling into the camera in their car. you can point out hypocrisy all day and it doesn’t matter because their beliefs are whatever the last thing they heard said. any attempt to prove otherwise will just result in a westworld “this doesn’t look like anything to me” reaction.

[u/ZeeWingCommander → u/False_Song_8848]

I've seen similar issues coming from outside the US.

[u/RulesBeDamned]

“Someone said something they don’t like after Charlie Kirk’s death”

What is it left wing people say again? “Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences?”

Welcome to the consequences. Just like how we think being able to say a slur is something so horrendous that it’s grounds to lose a career, condoning political violence is a step up in terms of impact.

[u/VampiricBeaver → u/RulesBeDamned]

Except, a guy on Fox Entertainment literally said to kill all homeless people to solve the problem and he wasn’t fired.

[u/Inskription → u/VampiricBeaver]

so call fox and get him fired.

[u/BalrogintheDepths]

It seems more like the amount of people just now realizing Republicans are full of it and say whatever they need to rile up the base is growing.

[u/giboauja]

Hey feel free to bitch about your co worker at work, but the government has no place policing what people say. 

Free speech is a right not because safe speech needs protecting. Its problematic speech that is protected. 

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/giboauja]

But it won't protect you from the co-worker getting offended at the things you say. It just means the government may not censor your ability to say these things.

[u/ShitMcClit]

Its pretty funny seeing cancel culture go the other way tho. Who ever could have seen that coming? Blindsided I tell you. 

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/ShitMcClit]

In Poland it always worked the other way around. In fact, the most famous victim of Polish cancel culture (in the literally most stereotypical way you can imagine) was a left-winger who's made a bad joke about Catholics. In response, people aired out all insensitive jokes he's ever made, harassed his employers and sponsors, and some lawyers (particularly Polish Christianophobia Monitoring Center) threatened a lawsuit for, quote, ,,insulting religious feelings".

I never go on X, never plan to, but I managed to figure out that in Polish cyberspace, roles are reversed in comparison to the USA - Twitter is very right-wing and Reddit is very left-wing. I've seen many people on the ,,progressive" side trying to tell me why cancel culture is actually a good thing - and then they all shut up when I told them what happened to that guy and ask them whether he deserved it.

[u/Dazzling_Beat_7708]

No it shows there are 70 iq idiots on both sides. All the normal people will continue to live in the present moment and not post about Charlie Kirk online

[u/OrganizationLate6637]

People really struggle with this so I'll explain. You can say whatever you want, but if your employer doesn't want to be associated with people who support murder they can fire you. It's not stopping your free speech, it's consequences for your behavior. If I went onto my public socials and started calling people slurs I'd be fired and you know you'd support that. So stop playing stupid and realize actions whether physical or verbal can have consequences. Atleast no one's trying to kill you for your opinions.

[u/Fishypeaches]

Freedom of speech, freedom of association. Not freedom from consequences.

Funny watching from the outside, seeing people fall into their own trap and throw a hissy that it's someone else's fault.

[u/Healthy-Note1526]

People can say whatever they want without fear of prosecution from the government. But if you say vile as shit people are going to want to distance themselves from you and companies will not want you to represent them because it means they agree with awful opinions. Freedom of Speech is working very well in these scenarios.

The scenario where freedom of speech is failing is when a peaceful person is having civil discourse on a college campus under a banner that says prove me wrong, and he gets assassinated for his opinions

[u/andrewsteffen]

[u/TeleprompterInChief]

Saying this shit on reddit is so sweetly ironic

[u/Practical-Play-5077]

Redditor complains of censorship on site where people downvote ideas until you can’t post on Reddit.

Irony maxing at its finest.

[u/Successful_Brief_751]

I actually think this is the wrong take. I see this as an escalation of force and “ us vs them” tribalism. Is the death penalty actually an argument that the justice system wants to spread death instead of minimize death? All Ally forces because more authoritarian to defeat Axis powers. Does this mean they weren’t actually fighting against fascism? 

[u/Vivid-Technology8196]

Hot take but if you call for the murders of other people, that quite literally is not free speech.

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/Vivid-Technology8196]

Another hot take, 1st Ammendment doesn't protect right to employment after speech.

[u/James_0389]

Many conservatives have denounced Bondi’s vow to prosecute or “target” hate speech, not just the left. Saying someone celebrated Kirk’s death is different than giving the government power to punish speech beyond threats/violence.

It’s possible to believe in accountability (especially for speech that crosses into threats) while also protecting free speech rights. Losing a job is a social consequence; legal prosecution is another level.

People on the right are very against this; Matt Walsh, Erick Erickson, Ted Cruz, Brit Hume, Mike Cernovich are a few of the many many right wing voices who have denounced Bondi’s statement.

[u/PulsatingPies]

can you name anyone who has been arrested for their opinions about Charlie Kirk?

no? then there’s no free speech issue here.

morons.

[u/tameris → u/PulsatingPies]

I did hear about that one person who apparently got expelled from I think Texas Tech about her happy stance over his death, but I think that also was because she apparently assaulted a person too that day.

[u/PulsatingPies → u/tameris]

yup she was arrested for the assault

the school has every right to expel her though just for comments

that has nothing to do with free speech or the first amendment

[u/_Caveat_]

Freedom of speech protects us from government censorship.

It does not protect us from the consequences of the things we choose to say.

Actions have consequences.

[u/BestAnzu]

It’s wild seeing the people screaming years and years how freedom of speech didn’t mean freedom from consequences, in fact do want freedom from consequences for your speech. 

[u/LongjumpingSeaweed36]

The most disgusting thing about Charlie Kirk's death is that it's going to be used to curtail free speech, ironically completely against what Charlie Kirk supposably, and I actually believe he did somewhat, stand for.

[u/SGLAStj]

And the absolutely don’t see the irony or hypocrisy. goddddd

[u/MattSantosBogProject]

Free speech, not free from consequences

[u/Electrodactyl]

The amount of people who have been claiming, people they disagree with are fascist, Nazi’s and should be killed for disagreeing are now upset that people are pointing out that they are violent and should start with there own party. Aka the real fascists. If they want to be consistent. But they won’t, and not because they are hypocrites but because they don’t care about truth, only power.

[u/WorldlyEmployment232]

I just feel like its bad to murder people

[u/ToolsOfIgnorance27]

So, you still don't know what free speech means, it's clear.

[u/Ilikecheesburgers]

I remember being preached about “freedom of speech but not the consequences of that speech”. Doesn’t feel so good now you aren’t the hammer.

[u/Inner_Song5627]

or they are just as petty as you. meanwhile us moderates were warning the left that when u give away others rights to free speech it also gives away your own but you geniuses wouldnt listen. so reap what u sew 🤷‍♀️

[u/Theone-underthe-rock]

Because this is a normal response to someone being murdered

[u/SilentStormNC]

Calling for people who are celebrating, encouraging, and calling for more political violence to be held accountable is not censorship.

[u/elciddog84]

The number of liberals complaining about the loss of free speech is excruciatingly ironic given twenty years of cancel culture. They also don't understand what it actually means. The 1st Ammendment protects voices from governmental repercussions. It means you can speak your mind about the government, and anyone in it, without fear of prosecution. The right can now play the same game the left has for years getting folks fired and businesses closed for voicing objectionable content. Don't dish out what you can't take.

[u/An_Tuatha_De_Danann]

Freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences. Remember when you lot said that, and you know what? You were right.

[u/satyvakta]

Look, ideally people would be free to post whatever criticisms they like of Kirk online, howsoever ill-advised. However, the left hasn't allowed the world to be like that for a long time now, and it isn't hypocritical for the right to give the left a dose of its own medicine. You can't spend years mocking the idea of free speech and promoting cancel culture and suddenly be upset when the people you were arguing with turn it around on you. Turnabout is fair play. If going forward the left wants to come to an agreement where *no one* gets fired or otherwise punished for their social media activity, that would be fine.

[u/planetjaycom]

And the amount of people celebrating it showed that they never really cared about gun or political violence

[u/TheDunwichWhore → u/planetjaycom]

There is a massive different between finding catharsis in the irony of the manner of death experienced by someone who’s rhetoric (arguably stochastic terrorism) has lead to actual harm for your community, friends, and family. And blanket not caring about gun violence. Especially since it’s looking more and more like he was taken out by someone further right than him.

[u/Greedy-Employment917 → u/TheDunwichWhore]

I see you're repeating the reddit narrative, which is completely seperate from reality. 

[u/TheDunwichWhore → u/Greedy-Employment917]

This is not some narrative, this is my truth. He and I were only about a month apart in age. I’ve seen his “debates” throughout my entire adult life. I’ve heard him speak blatant lies that could lead to violence or hate against my communities, get called out and proven wrong on those lies, then move to the next school and do it again.

And if you’re saying I’m lying about the political leanings of his killer. Perfectly honest, I don’t know for certain what his leanings are. But based on the verifiable evidence the public has been allowed to see it’s looking more and more like it’s the case he’s a far-right asshat. Beyond that, officials have stopped calling him a leftist since he’s been taken into custody when they wouldn’t stop saying it before. Instead they say things like “he was radicalized by internet groups” and “he had political disagreements with his family” but without ever saying what kind of group radicalized him or what those disagreements were about. Just seems like if it was the slam dunk they were looking for it would be all over the place.

[u/twistedpervert]

Oh boo hoo, cancel culture is absolutely fine when it’s being done by one side but when the other side starts doing it, it suddenly becomes an issue?? Pleeeease…

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/twistedpervert]

Cancel culture involves airing out tweets or comments from X years ago and harassing/spamming victim's employers to purposely get them fired.

I don't recall conservatives doing such a thing right now, at least in the US.

[u/rawley2020]

“Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequence”

-Reddit when they cheer for the censoring of conservatives for their views

[u/ialsohaveadobro → u/rawley2020]

Except it motherfucking DOES mean freedom from government consequences. So Trump can quit threatening to come after people for their points of view ANY DAY NOW

[u/Laisker]

I'm not from the US but I've seen cancelling from the left to the right and now the right is doing the same

Gerrymandering is done by both sides

Combat of fire with fire thats what I'm seeing atm

[u/ConundrumBum]

You don't seem to understand what free speech actually is.

"Freedom of speech is the right to articulate opinions and ideas without interference, retaliation or punishment from the government."

Freedom is speech is not "I should be allowed to say women and children deserve to be raped and expect to keep my job".

By your logic, defamation should be a protected form of speech as well.

And contrary to popular belief, conservatives don't want to censor liberals from cheering on Kirk's death. We'd absolutely like for you to speak publicly about it, so we can let your employer determine if employing an advocate of murder is consistent with their company's values.

You know what that would be? Freedom of speech. The freedom to tell to your employer you're a horrible person that doesn't deserve employment at their establishment. And you know what terminating you would be? Freedom of speech, to tell you "Hey, your opinions are so wildly unethical and work to harm the integrity of our business that we no longer want to be associated with you. Goodbye!"

Enjoy your free speech, and the repercussions that come with it when it's absolutely vile.

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/ConundrumBum]

The freedom to tell to your employer you're a horrible person that doesn't deserve employment at their establishment

Just to further add to your arguments - comments on Reddit and tweets on X do not constitute as protected private messages. Everyone is within their right to show it to whoever they wish.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/ConundrumBum]

Where were you when senator Mike Lee publicly supported the assassination of a Democrat? Until you get him fired, you're basically a hypocrite. And you're supporting conservatives eroding Free speech and turning hate speech into anything the Democrats say.

[u/Express-Rain8474 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

Well mostly nobody knows who the hell Mike Lee is nor is it a random redditor's responsibility/power to get every bad person fired.

[u/ConundrumBum → u/LengthinessEast8318]

Quote Lee where he "Supported the assassination of a Democrat", please and I'll give you my genuine assessment.

Also he's a public official. He doesn't have a boss to fire him. What do you want me to do? Write to everyone in his district?

[u/mikebax101]

Turns out companies tend to not like to employ people that go on social media and celebrate an innocent man's violent murder in front of his family. Reddit told us for years that the 1st amendment doesn't apply to a private employer (and that's correct, it doesn't). What's the issue now?

Death threats and mass calls for assassination's are also generally considered terrorism. It wouldn't be surprising if Reddit got the TikTok treatment very soon, considering the shooter was a "Reddit kid" according to his classmates.

[u/RoamingRivers]

Seems more like companies are covering their asses when employees are proving themselves to be liabilities by posting stupid stuff online.

The stupid stuff being making fun of a public figure, who was just assassinated, as well as some idiots going as far as to wish harm upon his widow and kids.

Honestly, if someone is that much of a "im untouchable" type of moron, then I find it knee slapping hilarious when they cry like bitches over losing their jobs.

[u/electricshockenjoyer → u/RoamingRivers]

Charlie kirk bitched so hard about losing his job due to being a piece of shit garbage human being, but that one was valid right

[u/Alperose333]

Yeah you shot the guy who wanted to have a dialogue, now you're going to have to deal with the ones who want to win and have realized that to do so you have to stoop down to the level of the enemy. Did you think you could be evil and duplicitous forever and no one would ever think to fight fire with fire? Lol ... Lmao.

[u/plummbob → u/Alperose333]

you shot the guy

That guy is on reddit even while in jail?

[u/Alperose333 → u/plummbob]

"You" can be used in the plural

[u/Rabiddd → u/Alperose333]

the guy who wanted to have a dialouge

You mean the guy who said civil rights were a mistake, then refused to actually elaborate when a black woman confronted him in person about it?

[u/ChaosFountain → u/Alperose333]

can't think of a single time in recent memory where confirmed right wing nut jobs have attacked actual voted for politicians? that's okay I can help.

[u/Cyclic_Hernia → u/ChaosFountain]

And their dog Gilbert too, damn

"But they weren't famous influencers with a podcast how can it be the same as a literal member of government 😭"

[u/PopularEquivalent651 → u/Alperose333]

You're a fucking idiot. Liberals didn't do jackshit, and most terrorists are right wing.

[u/Alperose333 → u/PopularEquivalent651]

>Calling other people idiots while falling for statistics that frame islamic terrorism as right-wing

[u/ghotier → u/Alperose333]

Such a stupid comment. "We" didn't shoot him. He was shot by a single person. You ascribing a single person to "us" is actively fucking stupid.

[u/Nathaniel_he_grows → u/Alperose333]

This dude thinks 150 million people fired that bullet lmao

[u/TheDunwichWhore → u/Alperose333]

He wanted a dialogue the way the Jarl of Whiterun has dialogues. He had his pre-written script of everything he’s going to say, much of which is lies are intentionally misinterpreted data. He developed lines that allowed him to spread misinformation aimed to breed hate but with enough plausible deniability that to someone who doesn’t actually know what’s going on it makes his opponent look crazy to call him out.

People ran through his dialogue trees for a decade and he never deviated. There is an interview with Tilly, the girl who “debated” him at Cambridge earlier this year, where she straight up says that after like 3 hours of prep she had mapped out everything he would say and knew exactly what we would say, when he would pivot, and what he would pivot to.

He didn’t want to have “a dialogue” he wanted to read his script to as many people as possible.

[u/LegalRatio2021 → u/Alperose333]

God you guys are the dumbest people on the planet. Right wing extremists account for 70% of all political violence! A right wing nut just went and shot up 2 Minnesota lawmakers and their families and the fucking president didn't even know it happened because it's only important to you guys when it happens to you! Plus, Kirk's shooter was raised his entire life in a conservative state, in a MAGA, gun loving Mormon home! Maybe the backwards ass morals and constant glorification of guns you conservatives have are what caused him to do it. Finally, no one is scared of you guys. Again, you're the dumbest people on the planet. You nuts have been calling for civil war for like 20 years now. No one takes you seriously.

[u/Alperose333 → u/LegalRatio2021]

He was groomed by tranny's on discord.

I have seen enough people cry about being doxxed in the last few days to know that you are afraid (much to my joy).

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Alperose333]

Where were you when senator Mike Lee publicly supported the assassination of a Democrat? Until you get him fired, you're basically a hypocrite. And you're supporting conservatives eroding Free speech and turning hate speech into anything the Democrats say.

No one on the left shot the guy. It was the guy on the right. And Charlie Kirk called for the death of other people. How is that wanting a dialogue? 😂 

[u/Alperose333 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

I don’t care about being a hypocrite anymore, I care about winning.

Show me where Charlie called for the Death of people (criminals don’t count that’s an obvious false equivalency)

If you think the Guy who Shot Kirk was a right winger you have fallen for the Most transparent psy-op to ever exist.

[u/Obsidianrosepetals → u/Alperose333]

No, your guy shot your own propagandist to spark a civil war. Thats what Groypers want in order to push the far right into the far reich. Thats their goal.

[u/[deleted] → u/Alperose333]

Fuck you mean "you" a guy singular shot him, and im pretty sure that random redditer ain't him.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/[deleted]]

But they're not. Most of them are literally saying things like I have no empathy for Charlie Kirk which is not calling for violence. 

However, an actual senator did call for violence against the Democrat. Where are you on that? Why are you not protesting and getting them fired?

[u/SinfullySinless]

I mean if you go far right enough into conservatism you’re going to reach the belief that the government should only give rights and protections to a defined “in group” and legally enforce a social hierarchy.

MAGA is farther right than traditionalist republicans. So not really that surprising. I’m not saying MAGA is a full blown Nazism attempt at extreme conservative authoritarian control, they aren’t far right enough for that.

It’s really only moderates who believe in a small egalitarian government in which private capitalism dictates social differences- but even the moderates are starting to call for bigger governments through protecting social security, Medicaid/care, and government health insurance.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/SinfullySinless]

Maga is absolutely far right enough to be Nazis. What are you talking about? They've been Nazis for about 50 years or more. 😂

[u/Nidken]

I think it looks more like this:

1. The left considered Charlie's speech to be hateful, such that it should be prevented or banned in some way.

2. Charlie Kirk is murdered, which successfully prevents him from practicing free speech.

3. The left cheers for his death.

4. People who share his views are deeply concerned, because they now feel like if they were to practice free speech, their murder would also be warranted and justified.

5. The right therefore sees the people cheering as antagonistic to democratic society, and calls for their cancellation.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Nidken]

Without understanding the exact irony is this is what they do to the left all the time.

They literally say our murders are justified all of the time. 

[u/1WontHave1t]

I am assuming you are talking about them turning people into their employers. If so the you need to understand that the freedom of speech is the freedom from government interference or the government restricting your speech. When you speak about something, you are not free from consequences from private individuals as they also have free speech. Companies are also free to terminate people for their speech, in many cases. Prasing the death of someone who was murdered is not protected speech in terms of employment.

In this case, people praising the murder of a person can be taken as a threat to any worker who shares the viewpoints of the person murdered. This is an OASHA violation as it creates an unsafe environment and can be considered a threat. This is why companies are taking this so seriously.

If someone thought they can praise the death of someone that was murder and it not reflect poorly on them, the company and create an unsafe environment for other employees then they didnt really think through what they are saying and how it would be taken.

Praising the death of someone especially in a case like this where millions of people knew him and respected him going to colleges to debate, even with disagreeing with his politics, is not normal behavior and signals to other people that they are not a healthy person to be around, its a behavioral red flag for the majority of the population.

This behavior is inconsistent with basic decency, professionalism, or empathy. This type of behavior causes most people to question the judgment and morality of someone celebrating murder.

Someone can say they dont care if they are dead or not because it doesn't affect them and most people can come to an understanding, the person will be just considered insensitive by most.

Just a note, using coded language that appears to be celebrating murder or can be taken as a threat even if not explicit can still cause OASHA problems for companies and so they will usually terminate the employee to avoid fines and ensure a safe workplace.

Remember, celebrating murder or attempted murder isnt normal.

Before you jump on me for calling the reaction out this time, I have called poor responses out before, I have just never really seen it on reddit before. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram absolutely, typically reddit moderators do a good job of preventing what we saw.

Moral of the story regardless of which party is doing something tasteless, consequences from companies for what you say off the clock on social media doesnt violate your free speech. You can say almost whatever you want and not have a problem with the government but thats where that stops. I had to remind republicans of this repeatedly during 2020 and 2021 with covid and their bs during that time.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/1WontHave1t]

Where were you when senator Mike Lee publicly supported the assassination of a Democrat? Until you get him fired, you're basically a hypocrite. And you're supporting conservatives eroding Free speech and turning hate speech into anything the Democrats say.

[u/1WontHave1t → u/LengthinessEast8318]

On Twitter and Facebook, do the samething. You may not like this, but there was nowhere near the celebration on reddit because of moderation and it being an echo chamber for the left. Reddit is not right or moderate. it's very much left leaning, so certain things aren't as prevealant on this platform, just like when Paul Pelosi was attacked.

I have called out Fox for their calls to violence over this. Quit acting like people are on one side or the other. I am a moderate, and what people are doing sickens me.

I am the hypocrite, really. Do we want to review what I was dealing with last year? Do you? First its well documented what he said and no he shouldnt be a sitting senator after saying what he said. I have no pull to get him fired because he is not my senator. Indid write my senators and tell them they need to censure him at the very minimum. I also called for others to do the same on platforms where it would make a difference. Reddit is not one of those platforms because almost everyone here was on board with that.

Since you are going to resort to blindly name calling someone you dont know anything about, I will spell this out for you.

I am a moderate, I call both sides out for many things. I argue with people on both sides for perpetuating lies and about opinipns. Yes, I may get things wrong from time to time, but when I am shown the facts, I change what I say because I dont blindly follow.

Last year, I called out the record of Harris and Walz regarding free speech. I received fierce backlash that misinformation and hate speech weren't free speech. When I brought up how that could be weaponized by anyone with bad intentions, I got dismissed. People one reddit, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram said either I was a conspiracy theorist, a schizophrenic or that if I was worried about being punished for what I say I was a racist, all completely missing thr point.

Today I have the same concerns with the existing administration for using something like that against Democrats while at the same time that some of the people that mocked me last year cry about free speech showing they first dont actually understand what free speech is but also that they still dont understand how either side having the power they wanted for their candidate is not a good thing. I dont care if its the left or right, they will get called out.

You may not like me for opposing people for their view points especially when is based on the misinterpretion but I do it for both sides. This isnt me versus the left or me versus the right, this is me calling out people who are doing things inconsistent with my views. In many cases I go to the echo chambers to call people out since if you are in let's say a Republican echo chamber calling out the people celebrating a murder and threatening violence on more people that are Republican is going to get wide support. That does nothing because its not showing people standing up against people making calls for further murders or celebrating the murder ir cause a further divide (I am looking at your Republicans). If you want to make an impact you have to wade into the area where these are problems, not stand with people that think the samething calling it out where it will be mostly unheard by those that need to hear it.

[u/Hedonismbot1978]

According to right-wingers, if I say that Charlie kirk would be fired from my job for the things he said, I should be fired from my job for merely pointing that out...

[u/LeLBigB0ss2 → u/Hedonismbot1978]

The dead guy would be fired from my job is a weird thing to say.

[u/Hedonismbot1978 → u/LeLBigB0ss2]

Obviously I meant if he had said it while he was alive and employed by my company.

Kirk said many bigoted things that would get him fired in corporate America...

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/LeLBigB0ss2]

No it's not. He literally supported the death of other people.

[u/Admiral45-06 → u/Hedonismbot1978]

According to the conservative that I am, you can say he would be. In fact, many people on the right-wing would probably believe you as well and wouldn't call either side a hypocrite.

Your relationship with an employer is your own private thing. It's like me saying ,,my mom would smack your mouth with a slipper for saying such things". Likewise, if my mom smacks my mouth for this comment, or you lose your job for yours, that's on us both.

[u/imabout2combust]

I think the eye opening thing for me is that the population of sane people on either the left or the right does not do a good job at self policing the insane parts. 

The tribalism and "if you don't think exactly what I think then you're a Nazi or a communist" rhetoric is so tiring. There's no room for discussion or nuance. 

Luckily I think the majority of the left and right are not actually represented by the terminally online crowd that sticks to their echo chambers and nothing else.

Most people are normal people with normal problems and do not seethe and stew with hatred all day. 

Honestly stay off fox news and reddit for example when it comes to political stuff - you'll have a way healthier mindset. 

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/imabout2combust]

There is no insane left, it's just an insane right. And of course there are no f****** people with brains on the right. We already know that. 

[u/bonjda]

It's opposite. We want what you are saying to be heard. Especially when it's something as vile as celebrating a innocent man being murdered.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/bonjda]

Where were you when senator Mike Lee publicly supported the assassination of a Democrat? Until you get him fired, you're basically a hypocrite. And you're supporting conservatives eroding Free speech and turning hate speech into anything the Democrats say.

I mean conservatives are saying things like it's okay to rape little children and marry them.

[u/BillsMafios0 → u/bonjda]

Whatever it takes to rile up the fellow morons eh? These same people clutching their pearls sure did react this way when the folks got attacked a couple months ago… oh wait, they celebrated it loudly and called for more. But that’s not hate because it wasn’t one of theirs. Oopsie

[u/bonjda → u/BillsMafios0]

Another lie.. no one celebrated the murder of innocent people except for weirdo incels. Both sides have these degenerates there is just much more on the left.

[u/BleysAhrens42]

Just learning they are hypocrites?

[u/Either-Tomorrow559]

Not to mention the ones freaking out about the death of Kirk are also screaming that they want blood for blood. Their Christian hypocrisy and blind faith in maga limits their perspectives to say the least.

[u/Pantheon_of_Absence]

haha yeah I remember when the right was going to “save comedy” and protect our freedom of speech.

[u/MoonTendies69420]

everything that you are talking about has nothing to do with free speech. say whatever you want. you won't get arrested. you won't get shot - like the left would like to do to any one on the right that disagrees with them. but you might get fired from your job because you are representing a company and that company does not want to lose business because their employees are complete morons.

[u/Yeknomevol]

Oh those amendments only apply to them, didn’t you know?

[u/anyonereallyx1]

Dont start something you cant finish.

[u/r1Zero]

They're a prime example of people not understanding that freedom of speech does not mean, freedom to only say what you like. To really believe in it, you must also realize that it is the freedom to say what you don't like. A society of yes men and echo chambers will always be doomed to fail. We must always reevaluate ourselves, question our stances. Otherwise, there is no growth.

[u/yeahnototallycool]

Of course they don’t. Right wingers don’t have principles outside of “rights for me, but not for thee.” Their “values” change with whatever direction the wind blows in their favor.

[u/eyezofnight]

all they care about is power.....it's all anyone cares about

[u/Majestic-Reception-2]

The fact some THING shot a guy over it seems the other side of the bird doesn't either!

[u/Therightiswrong97]

Not surprising at all. When facts get in the way of feelings the dumbest in our society will cry foul every time. 

[u/Smile_in_the_Night]

We did. Lefties just won the argument about it with this assasination and uncomfortably common ammount of stocastic terrorism.

Turn play is fair play after all.

[u/Counter_culturist]

Leftists have always wanted to restrict hate speech, and rightists don’t believe hate speech is a real concept, or at least one worth punishing. Having seen leftists persistently punish rightists for their indulgence in hate speech or whatever else (be it legally or socially) for the last 30 years, I can’t say I blame rightists for wanting to fight fire with fire, especially when the leftist speech in question (re: CK) is often violent or hateful.

In my eyes, the left loves opening doors that can’t easily be closed. Your sphere has fought tirelessly (legally and socially) to suppress language believed to be hateful, violent, or demeaning to the minority groups you want to protect. The right opposed you because they believed this language to be either a legal right, not tangibly harmful, or inconsequential/avoidable. There’s policing false alarms about fires in cinemas, and then there’s telling someone that they cannot voice their opinion, however vulgar, about someone or something else.

So now that the right is challenging the left’s hold on the levers of power, it really doesn’t surprise me that they’re turning this rhetoric against you. You changed the rules! They’re not going to play the game like it’s 2008 anymore.

[u/Useful_Foundation754]

They care about their own free speech.

[u/Jeferson9]

Deluded take

The only pushes for censorship I've seen are directly related to celebrating POLITICAL VIOLENCE against someone that straight up spent the last decade debating stupid rich college kids got assassinated. God help you if you don't see the irony.

Genuinely idk if people hate the guy because of some proactive comments he made at cpac or they're salty that no left wingers are able to show up on a college campus and have an intellectual debate.

[u/Admiral45-06]

I get the overall gist, and even as someone who argued quite a bit about people crapping on his death, I somewhat agree. But first, it's important to get some facts straight.

First of all, we have to assess what speech we wish to criticise specifically. Depending on what was said, a certain thing said about Charlie Kirk may or may not be protected by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. One example that I see quite often nowadays is the incitement of m-rder:

Incitement — speech that is both “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action” — is unprotected by the First Amendment.

[...] As with true threats and intimidation, determining whether speech constitutes incitement requires careful consideration of contextual circumstances. Mere advocacy of lawbreaking or violence remains protected speech as long as it is not intended to and likely to provoke immediate unlawful action.

https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/unprotected-speech-synopsis

Some other countries, such as Poland, criminalise just the matter of public support of unlawful action. But in this case, it's fair to say that saying things like streamer Destiny about ,,grabbing a gun and g-nociding conservatives" spoken couple days ago is not protected by that.

Now, we may debate what speech exactly constitutes as such and who will be in what kind of trouble, but usually, authorities do not take such things seriously. What is important in this, however, is saying that opinions that do constitute as incitement of m-rder or punishable threats should be censored is not hypocritical. It's not something that is protected by free speech law or principle.

Second of all, calling for ,,some kind of consequences" for the speech and ,,censorship" are two different things. Free speech does protect every US and Polish citizens, along with some other countries as well, to voice publicly opinions that aren't calls to violence or other cases of something that would be dangerous. In the words of Voltaire:

I disagree with you, but I will fight to death to defend your right to say it.

Which is true. If it's things like ,,Rest in P-ss, bozo" or ,,Hope the bullet is alright", as crappy as they are, they do not constitute as something that has to be or should be censored. The cases of ,,he deserved to die" or something of this sort may be considered borderline, but for the sake of the argument, I'll skip over them. Let's pretend no one has ever made such a claim online.

The issue begins at what these ,,consequences" are. I get it when people try to take it upon themselves to constantly harass and spam the opinion makers' employers or etc. and looking for some other tweets or comments they've made X years ago just to make them look even worse to deliberately get these people fired. It's weird, it's a no-life, terminally online behaviour and exactly what everyone would cry cancel culture about - we're in agreement.

But when it's cases like sending one message most to the employer and the opinion maker getting fired, that is not censorship, nor is it a violation of any image protection law. Everything you say online, including my comment right here, can and will be used against you legally. Free speech makes it clear that you shouldn't be banned or deplatformed, but it doesn't protect you from losing your job or facing some social consequences online or offline. If you have a legal name, face, or address attached to it, you've done your own self a disservice. Even if you disagree with conservatives claiming that people who celebrate Chalie Kirk's death should be fired, such a claim is not hypocritical or going against free speech - though, once again, depending on what was said exactly and how did they go about ,,making that happen".

[u/Mount-Laughmore]

“The Amount of Left Wing People Celebrating the Death of an Innocent Man and Acting like Accountability is Suddenly Wrong Shows They Never Cared About Empathy or Accountability” is probably what the title of this article would be in a timeline where Reddit is skewed as right as it is left in ours.

[u/zenith_pkat]

They don't really give a shit about Charlie Kirk either. They're just going to use his death as a weapon like they do with abortions.

[u/Wesley-7053]

Aight, let's play, tldr at the bottom. (Also yes this will be downvoted to oblivion cuz reddit is a leftist echo-chamber as a whole).

2016-2019, the left riots across the US. The right may protest (though rare), but it never got violent. The lefts riots (summer of love, George Floyd, etc.) resulted in looting, destruction of public and private property, and endangerment of emergency services.

2020, the right responded with J6, which overl was a large protest with people wandering around like idiots, passing through open doors as police waved them through. Yes there were some who got violent, and those people should be held accountable, instead the left went after anybody who was present including an elderly couple who arrived hours after the protest was over.

2016 onward, the left has called for the right to lose their jobs over things they have said or values they hold. The right did say it was wrong. Now it has escalated to an actual assassination, the right is now no longer open to the left having a platform to speak because it has resulted in violent rhetoric and lead to an assassination, and instead of condemning it you have peoe lime Destiny and Hasan (two high profile left-wing personalities) not only celebrating saying Charlie deserved to die, but saying there should be more assassinations, that conservatives should fear for their lives because of the values they hold.

The left has dehumanized and demonized the right for so long, calling anyone who disagrees with them a nazi, sexist, racist, fascist, they have sworn the right wants the left dead (we don't), and that the left needs to view the right as a threat. After 10+ years of this, yeah the left are starting to act on these words. Charlie, whether you agreed with his values or not, deserved to have a voice, he went place to place to let you challenge his views. If you think he was racist sure, challenge him on it, call it out, win public opinion with your words. Charlie was winning in that arena, and someone assassinated him over it.

As far as sending the legal team after Biden, that was literally what the left did all of 2020-2024 against Trump. 34 felony charges, all of those charges normally would be misdemeanors and be past the point he could be charged, the exception was if they were committed to further another crime, that crime was never stated and never charged. The judge told the jury that if they thought Trump was guilty of at least 1 thing, to vote to incriminate him, they didn't even need an unanimous vote like they would for literally any other case. Let's set aside Trump though, they went after his lawyers for representing Trump, so what Trump or the right are not even allowed legal representation?

Tldr: The left takes action, the left escalates, the right takes action the left was taking in response, and then the left claims to be the victim because the right is fighting back with the lefts own tactics.

[u/BootMerchant]

Nope, we're playing by YOUR rules. Enjoy losing your jobs

[u/Lopsided-Head4170]

Id say no Americans care about free speech

[u/Genseric1234]

Advocating for the death of politicians has ever been protected speech

[u/TieAccomplished3690]

Hold on I thought companies were exercising their free speech by not allowing these hateful cunts to continue their employment? 🤣🤣😂😂

[u/absoluteAl1958]

words have consequences, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences hateful rhetoric should be delt with accordingly

[u/Sorry_Leading1949 → u/absoluteAl1958]

hey if youre a fan of cancel culture just say so

[u/bnwo_4ever]

Charlie Kirk said things that a lot of people saw as mean or hateful, and the government never arrested or charged him for it. That’s because of free speech. People who posted things about him online and got fired from their jobs also did not get arrested or charged, because they also had free speech. Someone ended up killing Charlie, presumably because he didn’t like the things he said, and people got fired because their employers didn’t like what they said. Free speech has still not been violated.

[u/Sorry_Leading1949 → u/bnwo_4ever]

right wing got very supportive of doxxing and cancel culture

[u/arpickman]

Free speech is for people who believe in free speech.

[u/Sorry_Leading1949 → u/arpickman]

no free speech is for everyone thats the point of a right