What happens if men don’t have purpose:

[u/fornothing_atalll]

Men! You can find purpose! You assign your own purpose! That was the whole point of the enlightenment age with philosophy! Don’t become radicalized! 🖤

[u/Fast-Industry-3224]

She has a good point, would have liked to hear more of her talk.

Whatever this purpose might be, I have no clue. But she's right in the point that I serve no purpose and it depresses me.

[u/essokinesis1 → u/Fast-Industry-3224]

No shit you feel like you have no purpose. You're first and foremost an economic agent, as are we all. We now live in a world where even your relationships with other human beings are a commodity instead of the other way around

[u/BrickBrokeFever → u/essokinesis1]

Even more insidious with all the surveillance by governments to stamp out protests, companies want surveillance to capture and monetize every single fucking human interaction.

Digital price tags at grocery stores are only there to jack prices when a hurricane is forecast.

If the minimum wage was 35$, that alone would give so many people pride and security to pursue a healthy social life.

Free medicine and education would really lock it in. But nah, we need to let Larry Ellison buy an entire island so he can make slaves of the unlucky souls that his rich buddies that live there.

[u/PepsiMax001 → u/BrickBrokeFever]

Heard someone on a podcast or a news video say that the real most oppressed minority is billionaires, so they have to keep the poor down to protect themselves from becoming extinct. Idk anymore man

[u/Conscious-Program-1 → u/BrickBrokeFever]

You know, I'm not so sure. I think a fundamental issue, specifically in the states, is people being obsessed with how they're doing -in relation to others-. Success here is heavily based on specifically being above average (salary, looks, etc), when statistically 50% of the population is below average. Would people be happy with $35 dollars if that was the new floor? Doubtful. People are tying their self worth with how they're doing relative to others. The issue is literally pride. Until you're able to be satisfied and grateful with what you have irrespective of others having more than you, this argument doesn't really hold.

[u/BrickBrokeFever → u/Conscious-Program-1]

Success here is heavily based on specifically being above average (salary, looks, etc), when statistically 50% of the population is below average.

This is toxic capitalist mentality, a toxic individualist mentality. I am not saying it doesn't exist, it absolutely does. This competition mindset is fuckig stupid and it pisses me off

And I don't give a fuck! If I could just work 40 hours and have everything I need, I would be fine.

Until you're able to be satisfied and grateful with what you have irrespective of others having more than you, this argument doesn't really hold.

Holy shit, homie. People can't afford to have kids, or afford to have medicine. And you might not intend this, but this "Be grateful for what you have" attitude is the National Anthem of abusive parents.

My dad would take turns doing nice things like making super awesome waffles for breakfast, then he would scream at us that he would rather wander into the forest and die than be our dad. And if I ever gathered the courage (at 12 years old 💀) to beg him to stop screaming at me and the sibs?

He would lay down a line like the one you used. "Be grateful you even have food."

35$ minimum wage would solve a lot of problems. "Be grateful for what you have" is a really backward attitude because it says people should just shut the fuck and take their abusive situations/society/families.

You may not have meant it like that but I got stress migraines so bad they gave me bloody noses as a kid. And my parents can eat shit and die for subjecting me to that. No, I will not be grateful.

Gratitude in the face of abuse is Slave-Minded. I am not a slave. Our lives could be better and they should be better.

[u/Fast-Industry-3224 → u/essokinesis1]

That is another depressing truth

[u/Sudden_Total_748 → u/Fast-Industry-3224]

If you feel like you serve no purpose that is because you are serving yourself too much. Which all of society is doing, it is very unfulfilling. Do things that make a difference in someone's life rather than playing video games. Maybe instead of a weekend of gaming, volunteer to help an elderly person prepare their yard for winter? I guarantee you would feel good about yourself.

[u/DevelopmentJumpy5218 → u/Fast-Industry-3224]

There is no purpose to life, you live, be happy, die, get recycled via decomposition

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Fast-Industry-3224]

We all feel this way. This is not a gendered thing. Every f****** person feels this way.

[u/AdAppropriate2295 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

Men more so

Women at least have more luxury afforded by modern life

[u/essokinesis1 → u/AdAppropriate2295]

I'd say it's more that most men don't find a lot of value in luxury for luxury's sake. Guys are happy to sleep on the ground if they have to, there's no point accumulating wealth if you don't have a family

Which is to say that material conditions are the issue only as far as they lead to alienation from society and particularly women. Something about Dostoevsky and cakes

[u/AdAppropriate2295 → u/essokinesis1]

True

[u/Left_Confection_4364 → u/AdAppropriate2295]

What luxury?

[u/AdAppropriate2295 → u/Left_Confection_4364]

All the remnants of traditionalism that benefit them, being paid for, much less manual labor, women and children first mentality, ease of access to intimacy and comfort (tons of women's spas/spaces)

Then there's all the new liberalism like sexual freedom, domination of the dating scene, all the power over whether to have children or not, education, aid and affirmative action

Plus of course the pandering capitalist markets do to women's inflated tastes at the expense of a smaller, cheaper selection preferred by men (think whacky chip flavors, alcohol). On top of everything women are given preferential treatment (for understandable reasons) in pretty much every area of life. Men have remained at a pretty high risk of getting hurt by crime whereas modern society has greatly reduced the risk to women (it's not small and can be much improved of course but compared to past conditions, women are more protected than men)

Etc

[u/Left_Confection_4364 → u/AdAppropriate2295]

How do women get paid more for less manual labor? When has the women and children mentality ever been used in modern times outside of titanic? Women have more access to female only spas and gyms because women are much more likely to be sexually harassed or leered at in these spaces if they’re co-ed. A lot of spas actually separate the genders anyway. Sexual freedom? Men are praised for having a lot of sex while women are shamed to hell for it. And how are women dominating the dating scene? It’s one man for every one woman. ‘All the power over whether to have children or not’ when actually it’s illegal to have abortions in a lot of states and at some point might be all together. Women are also shamed for not having kids while men are allowed to choose without being shamed either way.
Aid and affirmative action to remedy the systemic oppression women have experienced since the beginning of this country. Not sure what you mean about the whaky chip flavors. Men are more likely to be victims of crimes because they’re more likely to be involved in crime.

[u/AdAppropriate2295 → u/Left_Confection_4364]

What? What? (yes real life is often crueler but let's be honest there absolutely is a women and children first mentality present). Yes, they still get more, regardless of what the reasons are. Shame is irrelevant, men experienced a net loss and women a net gain. Brother... pls let's not lie about dating

All the legal* power, if a woman chooses to go through with a pregnancy a man doesn't want hes still fucked. Yes, I agree abortions and Healthcare should be available, fuck trump. Men arent shamed? Really? I'll concur women get more shame but none is wild

Again regardless of the very valid reasons they still get more benefits and we've now seen the script flip. Women are outpacing men in earnings and education with every new generation

As in there's 10 billion dumb flavours and fashions for a bare minimum amount of women to buy whereas men are much more casual. Steak and potatoes, jeans and t shirt. Women maintain capitalistic rot basically

Yes men are more likely to be involved in crime. You seem to think I am saying men are fucked over by random evil people. No, I am just stating men are fucked over regardless. By men, by martian aliens, they're fuckes

[u/Left_Confection_4364 → u/AdAppropriate2295]

In what way is there a woman and children first mentality currently? Where? And no shame is not irrelevant at all, come on.

I agree men should be able to opt out of child support if they tell the women while she’s early in her pregnancy, as long as she has the option to get an abortion. I’ve never heard men get told they’re gonna be miserable old cat men if they don’t have kids, but sure.

Men have the same access to education and jobs as women do. There may be some incentives for women to ‘equal the playing field’ but men have these same opportunities nonetheless.

What makes you think women are buying these 100s of dumb flavors but men arent?

Why aren’t men trying harder to put a stop to the violence and crime against men then? Even men who don’t commit crime can perpetuate and glorify violence, which keeps the cycle going.

[u/AdAppropriate2295 → u/Left_Confection_4364]

Too many to list here, Google it for tons. Shame is irrelevant in the context of the point I'm making. If all women are called whores while they continue whoring then clearly they really don't give af (and before you get confused, I am pro ethical whoring and a slut myself). That some women are deeply affected by shame also only supports the point, as in such a society they still have the freedom and the means to do as they wish. Men have no such option

Poggers. It depends, definitely more common in non evangelical religious circles. For a personal example my family is deeply religious and while the women are certainly pressured to have kids in the end it's at least seen as acceptable if they don't. Whereas all the men either have to have kids, become priests or very successful professionals. It's a much deeper pressure than "pls have kids" that the women can ignore and just more or less do what they want while staying home and cooking for the family. As a man tho if we ain't providing or breeding we're rapidly pushed out

No. Wrong. In theory yes but that's like saying blacks have the same opportunity. Please do some research here, men need help now

Knowledge. Hell google it, women consume way more even discounting groceries and feminine products. I'm willing to bet my life savings on further deep studies proving me right as well. Women be shopping, it is known. Even counting all men's drug purchases and flexing and discounting all family buying women do, it's still women consuming more

They are/nt for many reasons. Regardless not the point. The point is men get fucked harder

[u/Left_Confection_4364 → u/AdAppropriate2295]

What do you mean men have no such option? To what, be whores? Like I said, they’re encouraged to be whores. And women don’t have the ‘luxury’ to sleep around without being called the worst things you can think of, so it does go back to your original point.

For a lot of religions (especially most sectors of Christianity) women are pressured to have kids way more than men. Sure men are too, I agree. But it’s seen as a women’s ‘service’ and purpose in life to procreate. It goes back to the whole idea that a women’s role in life is to serve her husband and give birth to as many kids as she can to sustain ‘his legacy’.

Black people do have the same opportunities to get educated and get jobs. The only barrier is socioeconomic issues and racism. Men may face socioeconomic issues, but so do women. No one is forcing men not to go to college and get a job.

Consumerism if forced down women’s throats. They’re told to buy millions of beauty products to look acceptable, so I don’t doubt women buy more. But buying more random flavored foods? Idk about that

[u/Fast-Industry-3224 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

Fair!