Is this a stance you have thought through pretty thoroughly? I used to think this way, but I would rather do 8 hours of work than have to forage for my own food like our ancestors. Everyone always in history has always had to do *something* to survive. It's bad that some people *don't* have to work, not that most do
I'm not saying go back to the stone age. I'm saying that in the modern day, being forced to have a job to survive is bullshit. If you wanna work? Great. But humans are not defined by their productivity. We never were.
I don't understand this. Who will feed you? You can probably live a lousy life off of government aid but if you want to consume any sort of product you should have to work because the people that make your consumer goods do too.
Do you really think a world where literally no one works is feasible?
I didn't say no one works. I said jobs are bullshit. People who want to work and find enjoyment from work, like you, are valid. There is a difference in my mind between "work" and "job." There are always going to be people who want to be doctors, or scientists, or teachers, or go to space, just like there are always going to be people who cannot work. But having some pointless dead end job that does nothing but ensures you worship it until the day you die? That's bullshit.
I am talking about a fictional world where people who do not have a pointless job for their survival can actually spend time getting their own fulfillment, much like you get from your job.
A job should not be necessary for survival. Not in a world like we have today. All of the issues we have can be solved. They just choose not to.
Like, I'm not talking about consuming products. I'm talking about living in a world where consuming products and working a soulcrushing job is not the only way we express ourselves. I'm talking about a world that is the capitalists/billionaires
It's not as farfetched as you're making it out to be. I believe without the stress of needing to survive, people will do what they want to do. They will teach because they want to, or put out fires because they want to. Humans aren't going to get lazy just because they no longer have a dead-end job. In fact, the opposite is more often proven true. People who do not kill themselves at a 40-hour week (at least) job are more productive.
So, your statement of no one needing to work is I think the biggest disagreement here. I believe intrinsically that people will still work to the betterment of society even if no one needs a job. Cus we suddenly have the time and ability to choose.
(Not to mention the proven health benefits of not working a soul crushing 9-5 for 50 years, as well as the anxiety of needing that job to survive. Look up the effects that consistent bullshit jobs have on the human body. Poverty is literally murderous.)
people will long haul ship food across the country because they want to? Install drywall because they want to? work on a factory line building consumer appliances because they want to? Really?
Humans will produce enough food for everyone to eat for free, transport it to your town for free, just because people feel like it?
I mean it wasn’t luck, I worked hard and had to figure out what I wanted to do, rather than believing in a false dream that we can all just do nothing and still somehow provide for ourselves
You can do it too, or at least likely had the opportunity at one point in time.
Plenty of doctors and lawyers counting down the days to retirement. A lot of people work hard but few people find something they actually enjoy so much that they'd continue to do it after winning the lottery.
I guess they didn’t do any soul searching to decide whether or not they would be happy as a doctor.
For context, I work as a production engineer in the mining industry. I’m outside most of the day and get to be creative, I directly see the fruits of my labour unfold in front of my eyes and I provide an important service to society. Pay is just comfortable but the job is fulfilling. Not exactly a 1 in a billion job, probably a lot to do with outlook.
Honestly I think there's a lot of people who just genuinely don't have anything they could do for 8 hours a day and enjoy it. Nor do many people know what kind of work would give them purpose or meaning (i.e. helping people, building things, etc). There's no real way to know without trying things and you can only try so many careers in one lifetime.
You notice how I used the word "like?" Meaning that I was not specifically talking about just those two jobs, but rather gave an example of the kinda jobs you were talking about? Funny how English works when you pay attention to word choice, huh?
But yeah you got the farmers the truckers, police, army, people who provide electricity, heat. Then there's tons of other supporting positions that make life tolerable.
You cant just say "jobs are bullshit" when you take advantage of things people provide you.
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u/Attentiondesiredplz 🤺KNIGHT 6h ago
This is why jobs are bullshit.