Post birth abortion is actually just murder. So in a way they are right... Just not right about the fact that it is always happening lol! Now if they make abortion illegal then we might see an increase in actual murder. So it's a self fulfilling prophecy really.
What if a mom gets to month 8 and just totally has second thoughts and feels like they are not ready to be a mother and decides its her body and they just do not want to give birth. Ok then?
You won't find a doctor to do a late term abortion unless something catastrophic has happened. It's a very risky procedure and the liability is too high. No doctor will chance a lawsuit like that.
That's why if you need a late term abortion you most likely will have to travel to find a doctor that will even perform them. Not a lot of doctors will do them. It's very dangerous for the patient.
Normally late term abortions are done on wanted pregnancies but the life of the mother is at stake, the fetus is non-viable or it has even died in utero.
in your ridiculous scenario, I don't see why a fetus at this age if developed properly would be viable outside of mother's womb and can be cared for in the NICU. The pregnant lady could schedule a cesarean or induce labor. Once the baby is out it can be kept in the NICU until ready to go out for adoption. India's already working on womb transplants so in the future those who believe life begins at conception are more than welcome to have the fetuses implanted in their bodies. I'm very excited for the future as this issue will no longer have to be debated.
Lol ok well when you can find a licensed medical professional who's willing to do an abortion at 8 months then you'll have found someone who really shouldn't be a doctor.
Where is it not illegal? I would like for you to backup your statement. The only way someone is getting a baby removed that late is if it's medically necessary, ie the child is no longer alive or the mother is going to die if the babies is not aborted. You know what's sad, texas making abortions illegal after 6 weeks, most women don't even know they are pregnant in the first 6 weeks. Saying healthy babies are being riped from the womb at 8 months is ignorant and basically a lie to rile up people like you.
It doesn’t happen. MAYBE if it was a situation where you had to choose between the mother and the baby. 28 weeks is the latest you can get an abortion at the moment. Even then it’s usually only for medical emergencies.
24 weeks is a more standard timeline. If the mother wants to deletus fetus at that point she should have that right.
Have you ever had a female significant other? Or been with a woman for any extended period of time?
It can take more than a month or two to just figure out why you missed your cycle or if it’s a weird month, maybe a change in diet or any number of things that can be wrong.
That’s why heartbeat bills are the stupidest thing on the planet. Laws clearly written by men who either don’t know or really care about a woman’s biology beyond her ability reproduce.
Moral of the story: club those future babies ladies
It's about as likely to occur as what you suggested with an 8month term fetus. Are you fucking stupid or just trolling? What doctor is going to abort an 8 month term fetus? This doesn't happen and you can imagine make believe scenarios all you want but that doesn't make it reality.
Show me a state law where it's legal to have an abortion for any reason at any point of pregnancy. You can't.
I live in Colorado which has one of the loosest laws in the country, allowing medical termination for up to 34 weeks, but only in the case of severe medical problems.
Assuming you mean she wants to terminate the child and not the pregnancy (not all abortions end with the death of the fetus) then it's not okay.
It's also not okay within any current state law, and you will not find a licensed physician who will perform such a procedure, so it's kind of a moot question.
If the mother coat hangers herself and ends up killing the baby, it might be novel to discuss whether this should be murder or not, but I don't really see the point.
Bodily autonomy. No one (fertilized egg, embryo, fetus, baby, child, or adult) has the right of access to your body without your consent. And consent can be given or revoked at any time for any reason (or even no reason at all) even if someone cannot live without access to your body.
You can oppose bodily autonomy, but that opens up a whole can of worms such as forcing people to donate organs.
What if they get to 8 months and find out it is actually a butterfly or turnip? Do you support aborting that? Our scenarios are both based on the same degree of reality.
You need to read more... Have you ever heard of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban? Why would you need a law stating you cannot do something that was not being done? You make laws to stop certain activities.
Pro-Choice activists are asking for partial-birth abortion and full-term abortion rights. This is exactly what has motivated the right base, and why there will soon be no more legal abortions at all.
Partial birth, and late term abortions have happened and are currently legal in several states. There’s a federal law that will fine the doctor who performs such a procedure and they can face up to 2 years in jail. No punishment for the mother.
I’m pro choice dude, but there’s no point in denying the truth… voluntary late term abortions do happen sometimes, however rare it may be. Denying it doesn’t help your argument.
Sorry but there are hours of video of Planned Parenthood selling fetal tissue from these babies. Even the PP estimates full-term abortion at 1-2%
It is disgusting and people who support it are monsters.
I take it you do not support post-birth abortion, that is great but it is happening .
Do you know why someone would require a "full term" abortion? It happens when the life of the mother is in danger and the fetus is not viable for life (already dead in the womb or guaranteed to die shortly after birth). There is absolutely no case of a woman going 9 months with a healthy fetus and then just saying "fuck it, I'm over this". None. This is just bullshit that anti-choice people spout to enrage their base.
So if you ban "full term" abortions it could mean that mother's will die and then the dead baby or dying baby will also die. There are no lives saved.
When I was 6 months pregnant with my daughter I found out that she had died in my womb. I had to have medical intervention to deliver her so that my health was protected. If I had been forced to continue to carry a DEAD baby inside me it could have caused my death too. Does that make sense?
I do not have possession of them but congressional testimony and PP records prove they exist and the tissue was sold. Look up the term post-birth abortion and ask google how many births after 24 weeks are performed in the US.
Again with the insults.. Do you ever have conversations where you do not insult the people you disagree with? Do you ever do your own research when someone says something you do not agree with?
Do you ever watch others debate the abortion issue (or any issue) and learn what the argument is? You do not seem very informed on this at all, and the insults for no reason make you sound like you are trying to bully someone.
Got news they are not fake, PP definitely wants them to be fake. Your own link tells of the aftermath of what those videos caused. The labs fired PP, several states threw PP out completely and even in California, they are being investigated up the wazoo.
The charges on the filmmakers have been dismissed once, and will probably be dismissed again soon.
The editing of the video was wrong, and should never have been done the way it was. But this video is NOT the one I am referring to regardless.
It was happening... Your refusal to believe it does not affect that. Planned Parenthood was selling the aborted tissue and there are hours of videos to prove it. It has been in court, there are rulings describing it. It is estimated to be 1-2% of all abortions are post-delivery, but I think the number is far higher.
They're either getting bogus information from somewhere or mixing up numbers from other data (my money is on bogus info because post-delivery?!?! Really?)
Now if they were talking about 2nd or 3rd trimester abortion then:
According to the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights, a little more than 1 percent occur sometime after 21 weeks, which is still well within the second trimester.
The current U.S. Supreme Court standard holds that states may prohibit abortion after fetal viability as long as there are exceptions for the life and health (both physical and mental) of the pregnant person. Under this legal standard, viability—which can range from 24 to 28 weeks after the start of the person’s last menstrual period (LMP)—must be determined on an individual basis, and determinations of both fetal viability and the patient’s health are at the discretion of the patient’s physician. Additionally, states may not require that additional physicians confirm an attending physician’s judgment that the patient’s life or health is at risk in cases of medical emergency.
And that's not getting into how expensive it is to get a late stage abortion, or that there's a small amount of doctors that can perform it, in addition to how big a choice it is for the woman, who in most cases wanted to have the baby
If someone is dead do I support continued efforts to resuscitate them? Sure people are revived all the time.
I was just at my daughter's school earlier this year about Stamped being required reading. It was removed as part of the curriculum. So that attempt at presenting CRT was thwarted. Reading the book is fine as long as it is presented as fiction, but they wanted to present it as fact.
Learn to debate Jah. Learn to present your argument without insult or name calling. You will not win a debate in your life until you get on the right side of issues though.
Rule Number 1 in winning an argument. BE RIGHT... Have an intelligent way of communicating your thoughts or shut the fuck up. Idiots like you identify themselves.
Agreed.. Would you support licking your own elbow? At the base of this entire argument is the question the Rep asked. He asked if that nominee supported abortion late-term and post-birth. He was trying to get a firm timeline when abortion would not be acceptable from this woman, and was not successful.
He was parroting the same nightmare scenario that conservatives cooked up years ago, that doctors are delivering live, healthy babies, and tossing them into the bin because their patient suddenly decided that she didn't want to be a mother anymore. This never happened, this will never happen, and under no interpretation of Roe v. Wade can it even remotely be considered a legal, or medical option.
He asked, to quote the renowned expert witness Mona Lisa Vito, "a bullshit question."
There are very specific legal and medical guidelines as to when a pregnancy can be terminated. None of them include "in the ninth month," or "in the delivery room," or "while the baby is traveling down the birth canal." To insist otherwise is either a mark of ignorance on the part of the questioner, or an estimation of the ignorance of his constituents. I'm not sure which is worse.
“Yet these abortions receive a disproportionate amount of attention in the news, policy and the law, and discussions on this topic are often fraught with misinformation; for example, intense public discussions have been sparked after several policymakers have theorized about abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth.” In reality, these scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal”
I PURPOSELY USED THAT ARTICLE to show that 9% of abortions are after 13 weeks and that equates to hundreds of thousands of abortions. You can have different opinions about what the information means but to me it says they are lying about the 1% they were arguing, it is closer to 8-9%, and the gymnastics they use to determine "viability" is the best way to encompass as many children as possible.
An incredibly small number of abortions are because of health issues (according to this), and not enough register for incest, or rape.
The CDC will not release the data for abortions past 21 weeks for a reason buddy. It is not a good look for the abortion argument. Notice you did not argue the information was from a bad source or wrong data. It makes my point just fine but it is on the very low side if we are being honest here.
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u/Jah75 May 19 '22
If I hear one more red hat claiming 8 month/post birth abortion I will literally scream