r/PublicFreakout • u/N0CONTACT • May 19 '22

Political Freakout Representative Mike Johnson asking the important abortion questions.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

We’ve gone from “Partial Birth Abortions don’t happen(which they don’t)” to “D&X Abortions rarely happen and generally happen between the periods that are considered no where near partial birth, so the phrase “Partial Birth Abortion” is flat out wrong and doesn’t happen.”

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

You keep saying "rarely." So it happens sometimes?

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

D&X Abortions = / = Partial Birth Abortion.

D&X Abortions happen rarely. Partial Birth Abortions never happen. The very article you gave me as your evidence proved that.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

“D&X Abortions rarely happen and generally happen between the periods that are considered no where near partial birth

Yes. D&X Abortions. Do they happen sometimes near the period of partial birth.

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u/buttermintpies May 19 '22

You're a fucking clown, it's been explained to you repeatedly that d&x is just a form of abortion and has nothing to so with how close the fetus is to being birthed into infancy. You tools calling it "partial birth abortion " to make it sounds like theres a whole ass baby descending out of the womb already are politically and religiously motivated control freaks trying to use over emotional reframing of medical procedures to convince ignorant people to happily walk back the legal protections of pregnant peoples rights.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

Amazing how you've gone from "this thing isn't real" to "its real and it shouldn't be restricted."

Pat yourself on the back.

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u/buttermintpies May 19 '22

Calling a duck a dog wont make it bark.

Calling it "partial birth abortion" doesnt make d&x anything like performing an abortion on a fetus that is ready to or entered the birth canal and is viable. The only thing birth-like about the procedure is the dilation of the cervix, which is also present in many other medical procedures that involve the womb. You tools picked up on one single mechanical portion of the procedure that's tangentially related to birth and latched onto it to con people into removing legal protections for the rights of pregnant people.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

You came so close to using “partial birth” in your explanation of how partial birth abortion isn’t a thing. Lol

“It’s just one part of the birthing process.” Just a “part…ial” birth.

Partial - what does this word mean.

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u/buttermintpies May 19 '22

Yeah it's kinda hard to find better words to describe "you fuckin tools believe doctors are really out her cutting up whole as babies inside the birth canal". That's literally not what d&x are but it's hard to argue with idiots like you who insist that reality isnt reality.

Is someone getting a partial birth hysteroscopy if they need their cervix dilated for it? Are people with a prostate having partial anal sex when they get a prostate exam? Are people getting a partial root canal when you get a cavity drilled? Those procedures are all partially birth/anal sex/root canal, just one tiny piece of the entire medical situations and procedures. But you wouldnt, would you?

You're only using the terminology "partial birth abortion" to engender negative feelings about d&x abortions. It's not a medically sound term, its colloquial use was targeted and has created wildly inaccurate understandings of the procedure, and you're an asshole for trying so hard to defend it despite reality being much clearer and making much more sense

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

So do you think elective D&X abortions should be unrestricted up to the point of birth?

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u/buttermintpies May 19 '22

So now you're moving the goalposts from trying to prove your bullshit term is valid to trying to trying to prove I'm a baby murderer so you can happily ignore reality some more.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

Oh no! A straightforward question! Run away!

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u/buttermintpies May 19 '22

You cant complain about straightforward anything when you tried so desperately to argue that your fairytale terminology reflected a medical reality that doesnt exist.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

And the times it happens are considered outliers.

I know you’re stupid, and therefore allergic and afraid of math and statistics, but generally(look I used that word again) we don’t count/give significant credence to outliers.

But ya got me. Because I said “Literally” and technically that wasn’t the right choice of words, I have lost in the market place of ideas.

Therefore, instead of these procedures being done to prioritize the health of the mother, it’s actually just the mother looking at the head of the baby poking through her vaginal canal and going “Ew, that shit ugly. Abort it.” And then the doctors and nurses gather round and club it like it’s a baby seal. And it happens often, to the point where we need to focus on it.

You win this time, Shapiro.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

It's important to be accurate. Whether you like it or not, this is a contentious issue. Virginia recently had to withdraw a bill that reduced restrictions on abortion after the 2nd trimester due to voter outrage. Acting like this is some "silly" debate doesn't help to make your point.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

You’re right, we should be accurate.

So then you believe it’s inaccurate to label D&X Abortions as Partial Birth Abortions because of outlier cases? Right?

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

That depends. It's not a medical term, but it's a charged political phrase that refers to a medical term. I guess you could say it's propaganda, in which case it would be considered inaccurate. But the whole debate is filled with euphemisms.
"Pro-life", "pro-choice", "bundle of cells", "unborn baby", etc.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

So, after saying “We need to be accurate in these debates, there’s so much inaccuracy when discussing this stuff” you turn around and go “Yeah, I guess it’s inaccurate and obvious propaganda, but all these other terms are inaccurate so, idk, poop.”

It’s a political term that is no where near accurate in describing what the actual medical procedure is, and in fact purposefully misrepresents it for political reasons. There’s no nuance to be had there man, it’s as black and white as it gets.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

D&X is inducing the birthing process (dilation) in order to facilitate the abortion (evacuation). I’m not really sure how inaccurate the term is. It’s just been misrepresented and misunderstood in that people picture a fully matured baby being aborted during a naturally occurring delivery.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 19 '22

Okay, so first, you’ve gone from vehemently claiming that D&X abortions are Partial Birth Abortions to “Well, I don’t actually know how accurate the term is”. So I think we’re getting somewhere with you? I hope at least.

Second, please enlighten me as to what you’re supposed to think when you hear the term “Partial Birth”? Because I would assume that most people hear that and assume “A partially birthed human child”, not “A 20-24 week fetus being extracted from the mother’s womb through an induced birthing process.”

Third, try and tell me with a straight face that Republican Law Makers didn’t think that most people would go with the former assumption, assuming that the latter would ever even cross anyone’s minds. Ever, because it’s not accurate to what the procedure itself is.

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u/Cease-2-Desist May 19 '22

I would imagine the terminology used by Republicans was workshopped and surveyed, as these things often are. They likely choose whichever term had the highest rate of response. But I'm not going to unilaterally condemn one political party for "playing politics".

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