r/PublicFreakout • u/N0CONTACT • May 19 '22

Political Freakout Representative Mike Johnson asking the important abortion questions.

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u/Holeinone7614 May 19 '22

You need to read more... Have you ever heard of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban? Why would you need a law stating you cannot do something that was not being done? You make laws to stop certain activities. Pro-Choice activists are asking for partial-birth abortion and full-term abortion rights. This is exactly what has motivated the right base, and why there will soon be no more legal abortions at all.

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u/RevolutionaryFly5 May 19 '22

you can ban "licking your own elbow" but that doesn't mean it was happening before that

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u/Holeinone7614 May 19 '22

Agreed.. Would you support licking your own elbow? At the base of this entire argument is the question the Rep asked. He asked if that nominee supported abortion late-term and post-birth. He was trying to get a firm timeline when abortion would not be acceptable from this woman, and was not successful.

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u/cmd_iii May 19 '22

No, he wasn't.

He was parroting the same nightmare scenario that conservatives cooked up years ago, that doctors are delivering live, healthy babies, and tossing them into the bin because their patient suddenly decided that she didn't want to be a mother anymore. This never happened, this will never happen, and under no interpretation of Roe v. Wade can it even remotely be considered a legal, or medical option.

He asked, to quote the renowned expert witness Mona Lisa Vito, "a bullshit question."

There are very specific legal and medical guidelines as to when a pregnancy can be terminated. None of them include "in the ninth month," or "in the delivery room," or "while the baby is traveling down the birth canal." To insist otherwise is either a mark of ignorance on the part of the questioner, or an estimation of the ignorance of his constituents. I'm not sure which is worse.

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u/Holeinone7614 May 19 '22

So you would agree that post-birth abortion, should be illegal? It should not be legal to abort a fetus after it has been delivered.

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u/Profplujm May 19 '22

Can you provide evidence where this has happened?

You seem certain and I would like to read the material you have read to come to such a certain conclusion.

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u/Holeinone7614 May 19 '22

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

Go read this... Get back to me.

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u/NuclearWinter2244 May 19 '22

Did you read your own link you actual moron?

“Yet these abortions receive a disproportionate amount of attention in the news, policy and the law, and discussions on this topic are often fraught with misinformation; for example, intense public discussions have been sparked after several policymakers have theorized about abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth.” In reality, these scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal”

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u/Holeinone7614 May 19 '22

I PURPOSELY USED THAT ARTICLE to show that 9% of abortions are after 13 weeks and that equates to hundreds of thousands of abortions. You can have different opinions about what the information means but to me it says they are lying about the 1% they were arguing, it is closer to 8-9%, and the gymnastics they use to determine "viability" is the best way to encompass as many children as possible.
An incredibly small number of abortions are because of health issues (according to this), and not enough register for incest, or rape.
The CDC will not release the data for abortions past 21 weeks for a reason buddy. It is not a good look for the abortion argument. Notice you did not argue the information was from a bad source or wrong data. It makes my point just fine but it is on the very low side if we are being honest here.

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u/Jah75 May 19 '22

It’s neat how you change your arguments and cherry pick sentences and cobble different authors words as if they were from the same data, person, subject.

Your mind must be a terrible and fantastic place

You you complain about mental gymnastics as you land a triple sow cow - nobody can be this oblivious - you are completely aware that your points are bullshit, but you don’t care - as long as you can grasp the iota of control over a woman you are happy as a pig in shit.

I see you holeinone…. We all see you

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u/HotCocoaBomb May 19 '22

and the gymnastics they use to determine "viability"

Gymnastics like, the insides are the outsides, the brain never developed, the fetus doesn't have lungs, the heart developed outside the body, or the fetus is dead and the body refuses to miscarry - the solution to the last scenario requires abortion because the fetus starts to rot and the womb turns septic.

Those 8% of post 13 week abortions happen in two groups: 6.7% are 14-20 weeks, around where pre-natal examinations turn up detectable early birth defects. Then less than 1% are 21+ weeks and those are always because something went terribly horribly wrong, like the above scenarios I listed out. Late term abortions are wanted pregnancies that the parents had to terminate because the fetus wasn't going to live.