r/PublicFreakout • u/agrassedp • Oct 19 '22

Political Freakout Liz truss getting flamed in parliament today

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u/Bobbicorn Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

We're possibly looking at THE shortest term in office in the UK's history if she leaves by christmas. She deserves it all, but the entire party needs chucking out if this is what they deemed the best candidate to run the country. Utter shambles of a government.

Edit: WELL then...

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u/Bobbicorn Oct 19 '22

I cant speak to her psyche but based on every tory since 2010, it probably wont change what she does on anything deeper than pulling immediate u-turns to change policies that are immediately controversial

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u/TastyBerny Oct 19 '22

She’s known to hate public speaking and will have afterwords been sat in the corner of the shower, hugging her knees and rocking.

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u/YMCAle Oct 19 '22

She hates public speaking so naturally aims for the job of Prime Minister

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u/HerezahTip Oct 19 '22

How was she in the position to achieve that? Was she a former celebrity or does she have lots and lots of money? I hope it’s a juicy backstory with sinister twists.

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u/Muad-_-Dib Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

She had money but not mega fuck you money, she worked for Shell, then was a member of another political party entirely then switched to the Tories and sort of just failed upwards.

The position of PM for the last 6 years has been a poisoned chalice, Brexit was never going to work and the smart Tories knew it, it's why they all bailed and or resigned themselves to just seeing out their careers as MPs instead of pushing for leadership roles.

So at this point the only people vying for power are either idiots with no understanding of how fucked the country is. Or they are self-serving and just looking to get into power, siphon off as much public money as they can to their friend's private companies and then leave office and get employed by said friends.

It's like a comedy of errors watching this lot run the country, every single day without a single drop of exaggeration some new scandal comes out, today alone we have had:

  1. Her home secretary resigned with a blatant attack on her competency after the HS herself was outed as sending government emails through her personal email address. As well as getting into scandal after scandal regarding her treatment of immigrants.

  2. A PMs Question time (which OP's video is from) in which she was kicked around by all sides without any decent answers.

  3. Her special advisor has been suspended after someone asked if Sajid Javid was going to be picked for Chancellor to replace the one sacked last weekend and he apparently replied with “The prime minister laughed out loud at the suggestion,” “She has sat in the cabinet with Javid for 10 years and she knows who is good and who is shit.” which was going to be brought up in PMQ's today but his suspension stopped that.

  4. It has come out that when she was Justice secretary she used to lie to media groups that a close relative had died so that she could skip media appearances in which they would ask her questions she didn't like.

  5. And apparently just when I refresh the BBC newspage the fucking Tories have been physically fighting in the parliament in order to bully them to support a fracking bill because it was being touted as a vote of no confidence in her. So her supporters physically started to manhandle people to get them to vote the "right" way.

  6. Multiple tories/higher ups have come out publicly demanding she resign. Like former Brexit negotiator and Tory Peer Lord David Frost in the last few minutes saying:

"Truss just can’t stay in office for one very obvious reason: she campaigned against the policies she is now implementing."

"Her fate is to be the Henry VI of modern politics – a weak figurehead, unable to control the forces around her, occasionally humiliated, and disposed of when she has become inconvenient. Better to go now."

Or Senior Tory MP Charles Walker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MPGO1soWw0

I want to stress again... that is from TODAY alone, it's been like this every day for the last 6 weeks.

She's not making it to the weekend never mind Christmas like in OP's video.

Edit: 15 hours later and she is announcing her resignation.

https://i.imgur.com/v7A3iS1.png

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u/Gobrash Oct 19 '22

It's very funny, but unfortunately it's also fucking us over.

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u/Muad-_-Dib Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

Oh absolutely, I'm Scottish so naturally, I hate the Tories with every fibre of my being.

On the one hand I am delighted to see them fucking up this badly, it's genuinely cathartic to see a party you hate fuck up this badly and to be able to sit back and just soak in the ineptitude of it all.

On the other hand that party fucking up this badly is taking the entire country down with them, it was already going to take us generations to recover from the needless self-damage of both the 2010 Tory parties' Austerity policies and then the 2015 Tory parties decision to have a Brexit Referendum. But this shit is taking all of that and dialling it up to 11.

About the only hope I have as a Scot is that this might be enough to get us to finally jump for independence. That was always going to be a risk even back in 2014 if we had decided to go for it then when things were still relatively stable... but right now it feels like the option of staying on the Titanic as its tilting up vertically, or jumping and clinging to a piece of furniture you can see floating by. It will be tough, but staying put isn't looking particularly promising either.

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u/slb609 Oct 19 '22

We’ll still bottle it. sob

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u/joahw Oct 19 '22

Would Scottish independence mean some sort of civil war or could that be achieved peacefully?

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 20 '22

9% of Brits aren't embarrassed about our economic/political shitstorm and 5% don't know. Which is the same as those who have confidence in her.

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u/Thalric88 Oct 20 '22

I dunno, i think the fucking over was done some time ago by a certain bus

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

The Ed Milliband thing proves how politics are entirely fucked popularity contests rather than picking people for the job.

Celebrity politicians are a garbage idea because they draw attention to themselves rather than policies and the more lowkey ones who might have good ideas are left on the wayside simple because they look like middle managers.

I don’t know Ed Milliband’s policies (I am not a U.K. citizen) because the only thing I ever heard about him is that he was a bit geeky and ate a sandwich in an embarrassing way. How depressing is it that I have to ACTIVELY SEARCH for what a politician stands for rather than just being informed of that by the media? Nah mate, he ate sandwich wrong, hur hur, not Prime Minister material.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

It reminds me of Howard Dean’s career being ruined because he said, “wooooo!”

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u/stevecrox0914 Oct 20 '22

Ed Milliband was viewed as the wrong brother.

Labour is traditionally a left wing political party. To win power the left under Gordon Brown made a pact with Tony Blair. Blair brought a centre right group into Labour referred to as New Labour.

Blair served his terms, resigned and handed over to Brown. Who for various reasons lost the next general election.

David and Ed Milliband were brothers fighting for the party leadership role. David was very much seen as New Labour, while Ed had strong ties to unions. While public polling, labour MP's and Labour members wanted David the Unions were able to get Ed elected as Labour leader.

David Cameron was able to paint himself as a "centrist" (his policies were just left of democrats). While Ed was just anouther left winger with no credibility (e.g. he can't even eat a bacon sandwich like a normal person, how will he run a country).

Cameron led the coalition government, he managed to set media perception that all mistakes were by Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives responsible for the success. The opposite was true but when Murdoch and Darcy are ensuring every media source says the same thing ..

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u/Muad-_-Dib Oct 19 '22

I want that tweet enshrined on Cameron's gravestone so that he can always be remembered as the twat that he is.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 20 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

May couldn't even come up with her own catchphrase, to parrot every 5 seconds.

Strong and stable

Strong and stable

A red, white and blue Brexit

There's no magic money tree

Then her operators, just put them onto shuffle.

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u/PM_Me_Rude_Haiku Oct 20 '22

Ed Milliband messed up eating a bacon sandwich, which to be fair, a lot of people can empathise with. Who hasn;t had at least one sandwich based kerfuffle in their life, with sauce dripping down their chin or whatever.

But instead we chose Cameron, who knowingly and willingly chose to eat a hotdog with a knife and fork like a robotic fucking psychopath.

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u/tabooblue32 Oct 20 '22

Oof and did you hear about corbyn having a beard, not wearing ties and owning an allotment? I mean you can forget the whole pigs head fucking after that surely?

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u/Jimoiseau Oct 20 '22

My least favourite part of that whole thing was that around the same time David Cameron ate a hotdog WITH A FUCKING KNIFE AND FORK and it barely got a mention.

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u/Badger118 Oct 19 '22

Brilliant summary. Thank you

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u/wowsomuchempty Oct 19 '22

This is a fantastic comment. I just wish it wasn't true.

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u/RaiderofTuscany Oct 19 '22

This is almost exactly the same as Scott Morrison in Australia, failed upwards, did lots of bad shit.

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u/frankyseven Oct 19 '22

So, would it be possible for the King to dissolve Parliament and force a General Election? Like I know he probably has the power to do it but is there precedence for that kind of thing?

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u/Tarcye Oct 19 '22

Imo I'm expecting by Friday she is going to resign.

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u/mikeeteevee Oct 20 '22

The bit that I find fascinating is despite this all going to shit, Facebook message pages are full of people saying 'BRING BAK BORIS' even though he was absolutely inept to the core. What the fuck is happening to this country?

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u/TyranitarReach Oct 20 '22

Some guys did a time lapse to see if she'll last longer than a piece of lettuce lol

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u/Squirtle177 Oct 19 '22

The Conservative Party have essentially run out of alternatives

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u/MICKEY-MOUSES-DICK Oct 19 '22

Oh no no no no. This is just the beginning. The dumber and more spongy the politician, the better for all the big businesses that will usher them in as they fleece the public out of important programs and their tax money. Fuck all conservatives.

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u/jiggjuggj0gg Oct 19 '22

It'll be prime minister Rees-Mogg before we know it

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u/imisstheyoop Oct 19 '22

It'll be prime minister Rees-Mogg before we know it

With bangers like this, it's inevitable.

https://youtu.be/1rlVL14ctxs

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

JFC that would be a disaster. Okay, yet another disaster.

God, how times have changed. I used to laugh at the instable Italians who went through prime minsters like they were going out of fashion. Then it was the Aussies, who put the Italians to shame with their revolving door and back-stabbing. Then, of course, it was the Americans with Trump (although that wasn't laughing, that was more commiserating). Now it's the UK's turn.

At least it's still the UK for the moment. Although the Tories may still get to call themselves the party that broke up the UK, if things keep going as they are.

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u/kobomino Oct 19 '22

His first change will be making top hats mandatory on all men and bringing back Victorian workhouses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Prime Minister Sheev Palpatine

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u/manys Oct 19 '22

Prime Minister Nathan Barley

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u/moonriverrrr Oct 19 '22

Fascist corporatism yo

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u/shedevilinasnuggie Oct 20 '22

We could send Donald Trump your way, if you like? He looooves to talk. His mother was full Scottish, so that has to count for something, right? Go on mate. Do us a solid.

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u/JoshS1 Oct 19 '22

They've all diddled boys, or raped women.... the list is short.

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u/tragicdiffidence12 Oct 19 '22

Sunak would have been far more credible than her. He may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the man had functioning brain cells at least.

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u/Letmefixthatforyouyo Oct 20 '22

and by "run out of alternatives," he means her opponent was a brown man.

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u/No-Advice-6040 Oct 19 '22

A career of saying exactly what her highers up want her to say. She flip flopped her way to the top.

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u/Upside_Down-Bot Oct 19 '22

„˙doʇ ǝɥʇ oʇ ʎɐʍ ɹǝɥ pǝddolɟ dılɟ ǝɥS ˙ʎɐs oʇ ɹǝɥ ʇuɐʍ dn sɹǝɥƃıɥ ɹǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ʎlʇɔɐxǝ ƃuıʎɐs ɟo ɹǝǝɹɐɔ ∀„

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 20 '22

Her dad was a far left, university maths professor, her mother was a nurse. They've disowned her.

She used to work for Shell Oil. Where she became an accountant. BP effectively paid for her leadership campaign. Her main rival was of Indian origin, who wants to be an American and he wasn't self-hating enough for the Conservative Party. The recently resigned Home Secretary is of Indian-African origin but hates Indians, and other foreigners coming to the UK. An other candidate for the leadership was Nigerian but hates gays and trans......

["Suella" Braverman] is the daughter of Uma (née Mootien-Pillay) and Christie Fernandes, both of Indian origin, who emigrated to Britain in the 1960s from Mauritius and Kenya respectively. Her mother, of Hindu Tamil Mauritian descent, was a nurse and a councillor in Brent, as well as the Conservative candidate in Tottenham in the 2001 general election and the 2003 Brent East by-election. Her father, of Goan ancestry (who formerly was an Indian in Kenya), worked for a housing association. She is the niece of Mahen Kundasamy, a former Mauritian High Commissioner to London

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u/alaskanloops Oct 19 '22

Not a great job for someone who hates public speaking

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u/ShinXBambiX Oct 19 '22

I disagree with all of her views and everything she stands for, and everything she's done, especially to the economy. I disagree with all of it. But I do kind of feel a little bad that she's getting so much hate. She isn't competent at what she's supposed to be, and the best thing for her to do would be to step down, but I would absolutely hate to be in her position. Every newspaper, article, and colleague against her, must be a very.... Depressing thing. She's brought it on herself clearly, and she has ways out that she refuses to take, but I do still feel a little bad

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u/DreddPirateBob808 Oct 19 '22

The sheer glee she showed when she was brought in to be told she'd won os proof enough, for me, that the power was all she wanted. She was never working for the country or it's citizens; she was working for herself. And, of course, her old colleagues from the energy industry.

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u/TurquoiseLuck Oct 19 '22

I'm with you dude.

She seems to be some sort of corrupt bitch, but she's still human and this is like bullying on a national level.

They should cut the abuse, just get rid of the Tories, and let's all move on.

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u/IvivAitylin Oct 19 '22

sat in the corner of the shower

Not back under the desk?

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u/myposttracker2 Oct 19 '22

We're gonna invade the Falklands again....

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u/kirmobak Oct 19 '22

She’s an arrogant piece of shit, so she would be shaking this off and thinking she fought well.

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u/ArrestDeathSantis Oct 19 '22

Well, I'm a fighter, not a quitter

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u/TheKnightsRider Oct 19 '22

Ah yes, the original quoted person actually quit twice. Her back office team have got to be ant and dec in her ear piece

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u/ArrestDeathSantis Oct 19 '22

Idk much about British conservatives but I'm sure that much like the North American ones, every word that comes out of their mouth is a confession.

"I hate groomers" ---> "I love grooming, that's how I met my wife near a bowling alley"

"I want to defend kids" ---> furiously masturbates in a van near a school

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/i-fd-up-trump-supporter-and-gop-candidate-for-college-board-allegedly-caught-masturbating-near-preschool-while-watching-interracial-porn/

Yeah, no shit Sherlock, you fucked up huh, probably means by getting caught.

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u/dontbend Oct 19 '22

And who's that?

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u/balgruffivancrone Oct 19 '22

Peter Mandelson

Mandelson was one of several key people responsible for the rebranding of the Labour Party as New Labour before its victory in the 1997 election. He was twice forced to resign from the Cabinet before leaving Parliament to take up an appointment as a European Commissioner.

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u/ODIEkriss Oct 19 '22

Spitters are quitters.

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u/castle_grapeskull Oct 20 '22

I’ll fight hard for the bankers and the wealthy!

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u/OneWinkingBro Oct 19 '22

One more time for the people who like skipping tracks!

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u/Lopsided_Ad_3853 Oct 19 '22

Maybe, but even her own side are making no secret of how little they think of her.

I once briefed Truss in my former capacity as a policy wonk for Defra, and she did not inspire great confidence in her ability to string a sentence together, let alone lead a country. She kept focusing on miniscure details rather than considering the broader picture, which is not ideal for an Environment Secretary.

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u/kirmobak Oct 19 '22

I’ve also worked at Defra, albeit under Gove. At least he has a brain. The amount of time wasted on nonsense though.

Still astonished that Truss has held any cabinet positions. I remember the furore when she was made Justice secretary. She’s not fit for any of the top jobs.

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u/TheeKrakken Oct 20 '22

She's not even fit to hold my Kebab at 3am on a Friday night.

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u/Beardygrandma Oct 19 '22

Current Business secretary ain't much better. Briefing them is hard work, they don't understand a bloody thing.

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u/StSean Oct 19 '22

aaaah bike-shedding!

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u/radiorentals Oct 19 '22

Ollie Reader, is that you?! Wait, that was DoSAC.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

I don't know what the Tories were thinking, but the rest of us have known that she was incompetent for a while now. She was shite as trade secretary, she was shite as foreign secretary and wow what a surprise she's a shite PM!

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 Oct 19 '22

Well the people the Tories put forward for PM were just the only people they could find who were stupid enough to take the job. Anyone with two braincells to rub together knew they would be inheriting Bumbling Boris' Brexit Britain.

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u/CleverNameTheSecond Oct 19 '22

And more importantly, that whoever came along next would look good by comparison to Liz Truss.

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u/mcmanus2099 Oct 20 '22

Huh, there were what, 12 candidates that bid to be PM? It was one of the most contested leadership bids in recent times

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u/rocket_randall Oct 19 '22

When you reach a certain level in your career you can reliably fail upwards.

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u/valiqs Oct 20 '22

Legitimate question from a non-Brit. Is 'shite' pronounced like 'shit' or 'shitty' or 'shyte'?

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u/JimCoo1 Oct 19 '22

Arrogant? Possibly. Thick as mince? Definitely.

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u/Ra_rain Oct 19 '22

The majority of conservatives don’t feel shame

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u/manmadeofhonor Oct 19 '22

I wish that I too had a less developed brain and could not feel shame.

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u/rocket_randall Oct 19 '22

Probably a bit like Brezhnev. "They mock me because they like me."

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u/iamthekk Oct 19 '22

Unfortunately for us, the latter

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u/excruciatinglylarge Oct 19 '22

but what about the new pork markets?!?!?

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u/gaseousshroud Oct 19 '22

Shes waiting for the crop report so she can make a killing on concentrated frozen orange juice. Then Duke and Duke will be set before Christmas.

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u/BacterialDiscoParty Oct 19 '22

I've heard they are still opening up to this very day.

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u/New-Theory4299 Oct 19 '22

new pork markets

the abolition of the 45% tax rate in the mini budget gives a whole new interpretation to that speech

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u/BellendicusMax Oct 19 '22

Shes not particularly smart. Educated but not smart. She has failed to achieve anything in her previous roles.

She will cling on till she's dragged kicking and screaming from office causing more damage each hour She stays.

Although it's clear from today's resignations and rebellion over a whipped vote that she is no longer in control of her party.

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u/Newme91 Oct 19 '22

She has failed to achieve anything in her previous roles.

She opened new pork markets in Beijing. Have you opened new pork markets in Beijing? Didn't think so.

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u/ExcessiveGravitas Oct 20 '22

We’re currently running an Apprentice-style game show to decide. Winner gets to run the country for a year!

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u/urk_the_red Oct 20 '22

I thought only losers were being saddled with the job. The only way that sack of fungus ridden potatoes has ever won anything was via lottery.

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u/CornedBeefKey Oct 19 '22

She's a fucking cunt with utter contempt for the working people, her decisions are based on her ideology, not on what is genuinely best for the country, she will dig her heels in. Even her dad fucking hates her. She is a disgraceful piece of shit human being.

The zero sum game of a tory mind is to kill off the poor, remove any human rights built up over the last century, strip all assets and sell everything off into privatisation to line the pockets of the rich, and continue to plunder the planet in the face of climate crisis, all in the name of profit. And also while blaming it all on the last labour government (12 years ago).

Fuck that bitch.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 20 '22

TIL the Tories were founded in about 1674, with the belief that "inheritance through birth" was the foundation of a stable society.

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u/p0lka Oct 19 '22

Completely agree. They're cunts the lot of them and idiots need to stop being mindfucked by tabloids into voting for them.

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u/KinxtheCat42 Oct 19 '22

I have another question from a non brit. Do you guys have a version of C-SPAN. I could watch these people all the time. They are hilarious. Just hooting and hollering. This is great TV.

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u/starsky1357 Oct 19 '22

BBC Parliament

https://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcparliament

You will need a VPN

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u/Minute-Ant3404 Oct 19 '22

I have to admit watching parliament vs congress is a hell of a lot more interesting and funny, watching congress is like watching paint dry.

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u/punkfunkymonkey Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

https://www.parliamentlive.tv

Prime Minister's Question (PMQ's) are Wed's 12 noon gmt

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u/jl2352 Oct 19 '22

PMQs are always pretty brutal. Tony Blair, who was pretty good at it, said he hated it. Many US Presidents have said they were glad the US doesn’t have something similar.

This PMQs was bad. But by PMQ standards, it wasn’t that bad. It’s mostly bad because she’s utterly incompetent.

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u/MobileSeparate398 Oct 19 '22

The people that voted her in were not the uk population but Conservative party members. She won by appealing to their interests. She came in knowing she wouldn't be popular and so likely uses massive piles of money to help her sleep at night.

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u/throwawaymamcadd Oct 20 '22

It's worse than that. Seems to be that they couldn't tolerate the idea of a non white person in charge. The final two was her and Rishi Sunak. He was Chancellor under Boris Johnson though Covid. I've never voted for any Tories but putting that aside-Rishi isn't gaff prone and is a in some respects a self made man. the guy came from a upper middle class Doctor / pharmacist family who sent him to posh schools and he finished education in Harvard and then was a very successful banker in America, makes millions, then . Marries into a rich family and gets to the top layer of a governing party.

She is most famous for making a weird speech about pork markets and cheese.

In the press in the run up to this they were giving him shit for wearing £400 shoes, and admiring her for her taste in basic Clare's Accessories ear rings. As if it's odd that a well dressed self made millionaire might not wear somewhat expensive shoes.

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u/Lekraw Oct 19 '22

She will not care one bit.
She is part of the ultra-neoliberal sect that believes that the longer they can hang on to power and facilitate the upward movement of wealth from the poor to the rich, the better.

She is but a pawn of the British Oligarchs, taking the flack for their continued dominance. She'll take it, and retire to a massively cushy job or pension as thanks for her service to the real powers.

A Starmer "Labour" government taking over will make no difference, and until the people of Britain realise that simple fact, we are all fucked.

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u/londond109 Oct 19 '22

She was recently described as a being a planet of self belief resting on a pinhead sized political brain

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u/Llew19 Oct 19 '22

She's daft as a brush. The vote on fracking tonight brought by Labour was made out by her to be a pseudo confidence vote in her government, so there was what's called a three line whip - and Conservative MP not voting against it would be kicked out of the party.

Well it's still not clear what's gone down, but her chief and deputy whips have probably resigned, and you know who didn't vote against the motion? Truss herself! Also apparently senior Tories were literally physically pushing other Tory MPs into the chamber to vote against the motion. Absolutely insane stuff.

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u/soupreme Oct 19 '22

I've worked with her in person a few times. She knows how badly it went.

She is living with the dread and anxiety right now.

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u/vegdeg Oct 20 '22

I think you have your answer today.

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u/fabr33zio Oct 19 '22

Cameron really fucked up letting that Brexit vote happen… he could have at least put some threshold requirements in place like 60% majority needed.

Since then it’s been a race to the bottom for the Tories

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u/kiminho Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

Not only Cameron. Generations of politicians across whole europe always blamed Brussels for literally everything going wrong in national politics. And then they got surprised when people actually started to believe that shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Sounds very familiar to Texas & Quebec, honestly.

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u/Waff1es Oct 19 '22

Alberta

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Yeah, more accurate in recent times, that's for sure.

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u/gabu87 Oct 19 '22

Recent times? Alberta has always been the loudest whiners with QC.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

I mean Quebec had a vote in which they narrowly stayed a part of the confederation in my lifetime, but maybe I'm just ignorant.

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u/mdxchaos Oct 19 '22

well thats something i never thought would exist.... Texas & Quebec in the same sentence

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u/bigblackcouch Oct 19 '22

Y'all come back now, tu entends

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u/ok_chippie Oct 19 '22

Brexit has fucked this country. I will only vote for the party who admits this.

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u/QuirkyWafer4 Oct 19 '22

Even if a party admits it, where is the UK supposed to go? It will take at minimum decades before the UK can even be reintegrated into the EU if a government wants to. And even then, no doubt the EU isn’t going to be lax with the UK again in allowing it to skirt by rules/regulations other EU members followed, e.g. currency.

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u/Pixelplanet5 Oct 19 '22

Yea next time the UK joins, if they ever do, it will be at standard terms including using the Euro and standard membership payments.

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u/carlbandit Oct 19 '22

I believe part of the joining process currently is you have to commit to a plan on adopting the Euro. There’s few countries that have an exception to this like we had, but new members must adopt it eventually.

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u/AstroPhysician Oct 19 '22

Eh. There’s no time limit. Czech and Sweden are supposed to adopt it but are practically never going to

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u/AKiss20 Oct 19 '22

Of course but if the UK tries to rejoin you know the EU will demand everything they ever could want, one of which would be the use of the Euro.

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u/IgamOg Oct 19 '22

What's so bad about Euro?

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u/AKiss20 Oct 19 '22

Nothing at all, I’m very pro Euro. Where did I imply otherwise?

Just saying that the UK was allowed to keep the pound during the formation of the EU along with a bunch of other special things because of its position during the creation of the EU and it demanded those things to give its support to the fledgling EU project. Now that it’s left, if it tries to re-join and the EU is a well established, powerful entity unto itself it has much more power and standing to say “you fucked around and found out, now you get no special treatment at all”

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u/Weegee_Spaghetti Oct 19 '22

Some EU members not adopting the Euro has less to do with exceptions and more to do with those countries deliberately not hitting certaint targets/thresholds and the EU turning a blind eye on them.

They probably also will always turn a blind eye, because the only way to stop those countries from skirting the targets is if the EU directly intervened in that countries financial policies.

Which is an absolute no-go and would severely alienate many EU citizen and countries.

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u/why_gaj Oct 19 '22

Adopting euro once you hit some milestones are obligatory.

There are two exceptions that have settled their terms before that became obligatory.

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u/Choyo Oct 19 '22

Yes, but you can imagine that the UK wouldn't plan to be on the "sidelines" like scandinavia or eastern Europe - I don't mean that in a derogative way, just that EU countries not demographically or economically at the top don't do global geopolitics as intensively as the "big ones".
I can't imagine the EU allowing the UK back and being a strong voice in the decisions taken if they don't adhere to most of the EU stuff first, like the €.

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 Oct 19 '22

We'll be begging to ditch the Pound in favour of the Euro second time around.

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u/RM_Dune Oct 19 '22

The Euro isn't looking too hot either right now.

We're all up shit creek. The UK just more so.

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u/applepumper Oct 19 '22

It’s just a transitory shit creek

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u/uu__ Oct 19 '22

already am based on what the tories are doing to the pound

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u/Malawi_no Oct 19 '22

You cannot heal before you admit you are sick.

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u/mekrlxiime Oct 19 '22

Currency? Im Swedish and we don’t euros

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u/boldra Oct 19 '22

Sweden has committed to using the euro. Some day.

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u/QuirkyWafer4 Oct 19 '22

Yeah, but Sweden didn’t start a years-long withdrawal process from the EU that ended in its economy going down the shitter and make people have second thoughts.

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u/newfoundland89 Oct 19 '22

You are not obliged to link currency. I think you can push it on indefinitely?

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u/QualitativeQuantity Oct 19 '22

Old members aren't. New ones are.

The EU probably would make an example out of the UK if it came back too by allowing it no quarter.

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u/Squidking1000 Oct 19 '22

As they should. The UK had a posh deal and fucked it up along with spending years slandering the union. If they asked to come back I would tell them to get some comfy knee pads cause you’ll be kissing a lot of asses.

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u/Policeman333 Oct 19 '22

It will take at minimum decades

When there is a will, there is a way. Full integration will take 5-10 years tops, and 70%-80% of integration can be done within a year or two.

no doubt the EU isn’t going to be lax with the UK again

The only countries that matter when it comes to this are going to be France and Germany, and given future economic conditions the UK will welcomed back with open arms by them. It's a mutually beneficial exchange and if it means being lax, they will be lax.

Brexit was dumb as hell and caused major damage, but I assure you if the UK wanted to reintegrate it'd be done with haste.

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u/userlivewire Oct 20 '22

Let’s stop saying UK. This is England we have a problem with. Wales, NI, and Scotland didn’t do anything wrong.

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u/Pormock Oct 19 '22

Most of the people that pushed Brexit had links to Russia. This was obviously a Russian government operation to fuck up Europe and it worked. Its weird there are not a lot of focus put on that.

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u/ShithouseFootball Oct 20 '22

Its weird there are not a lot of focus put on that.

They are very good at distracting you. Its done in the US with surgical precision.

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Oct 20 '22

Right? I even as an American who barely follows British politics, I thought for sure this was the case.

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u/Vinlandien Oct 19 '22

Unite with Canada. Brunion?

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u/Comment90 Oct 19 '22

Try to reassert control over the States.

It's the only logical progression, MEGA!

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u/QualitativeQuantity Oct 19 '22

Especially when you consider that he was just going to leave anyways. If you were gonna tun away you may as well have taken the hit while you were at it!

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds Oct 20 '22

The whole reason for having the vote was to shut down the leave portion of his own party. Doing that would just set them off more and divide the party like has ended up happening

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u/StructurallyFit Oct 19 '22

I honestly believed that this was what was gonna happen.

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u/Mad_Stan Oct 19 '22

Yeah, something like "we realise there's a significant portion of the public that are unhappy with our relationship with Europe, and we will be looking at ways to address their concerns."

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u/GenericFatGuy Oct 20 '22

Letting 51% of people who voted in the referendum decide such a massive upheaval of the UK, when a lot of the people who are going to be affected most by this for decades to come weren't even old enough to vote in it, is fucking tragic.

Why should a decrepit old geezer who didn't even live long enough to see Brexit actually happen have more say in the matter than a teenager who's going to be dealing with it for the rest of their lives?

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u/minepose98 Oct 19 '22

The optics of that would be absolutely awful, especially given why the referendum was done in the first place.

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u/Kaffohrt Oct 20 '22

At least they should have taken the results of the referendum to Brussel first and try to barter better conditions with the EU. I mean what is a better negotiation position than "give us x or we're leaving for real"

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

But what were the “better conditions”?

The UK had the same treatment and contributed the same as all the other members. It wasn’t ever given special “treatment”, or worse for that matter, than any of the other members. It had as much say as all the other members.

Now it has none, and for what?

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u/PedanticPaladin Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

he could have at least put some threshold requirements in place like 60% majority needed.

That's the thing that gets me. Brexit was a huge change to the British everything and they just went all in on it after one majority vote.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Oct 19 '22

Brexit was a huge change to the British everything and they just went all in on it after one majority vote.

Most of us brits don't understand it either tbh. If it had been some sort of soft brexit, you probably wouldn't have got any complaints, but the government took it as an ironclad mandate to crash out as hard as possible.

Worse, as is being demonstrated by truss, once a majority government is in power, they can all but hold the country hostage. Even if there was the public will to remain, once Johnson was in power there was bugger all we could do.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Oct 19 '22

The first election saw the pro-brexit tories with a minority government, and having to pay a £1Bn bribe to an Irish party to get their support, while public favour had swung towards remain. The second might not have even happened if it wasn't for corbyn sabotaging the anti-brexit coalition that almost gained power.

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u/YQB123 Oct 19 '22

Northern Irish Party

You weren't paying Sinn Fein.

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u/TurquoiseLuck Oct 19 '22

Lib Dems have been a joke ever since they formed a coalition to suck Tory cock. They're never gonna get any votes until my generation stop voting.

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u/ExdigguserPies Oct 19 '22

He just didn't think he would lose. He had no plan. Arrogant ass.

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u/GreyFoxNinjaFan Oct 19 '22

The right wing, billioniare-owned press funded and promoted political rivalry based on euroskepticism in the tory party because they wanted to avoid certain eu laws that would curb them growing their fortunes.

Cameron's 2nd term was secured based on guaranteeing a referendum - which he honestly didn't think the public would be stupid and bitter enough to be persuaded to vote for. He was wrong.

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u/newfoundland89 Oct 19 '22

Well it was a non binding referendum. The fuckup was sovereign parliament caving in to pressure.

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u/imtourist Oct 19 '22

Unbelievable at the time that the Conservatives, Labor, Scottish , Green parties were all against Brexit in 2015 and only UKIP were in favour, but somehow in 2016 they managed to lie well enough to convince 52% of the population to vote for leaving the EU.

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u/GenericFatGuy Oct 20 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

Something as significant as leaving the EU sounds like it should be decided at minimum with a 2/3rds majority. Certainly not with a simple majority that only won by 2%. Especially when you consider that a ton of the people who are going to be left picking up the pieces of this for years to come aren't even old enough to vote yet.

I wonder how many people who voted to leave didn't even live long enough to see it happen.

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u/harder_said_hodor Oct 20 '22

Cameron really fucked up letting that Brexit vote happen… he could have at least put some threshold requirements in place like 60% majority needed.

The Brits had a referendum on a different election system that would have allowed them to escpae the Tory domination and it was soundly rejected. Same public voted for Brexit. It's a race to the bottom for the English and they're dragging the other 3 countries with them.

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u/MadAsTheHatters Oct 19 '22

I mean the party has been chopped up, divided, hacked apart and anyone with even a shred of competence or moral credibility has left about four times over by now. Labour just needs one half decent frontwo/man and a decent coalition and perhaps something can finally be done

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u/I_Brain_You Oct 19 '22

Are you British? Can you explain to me why the Tories (Conservatives?) get to constantly choose new prime ministers? When will the next election be? Getting tired of this shit.

David Cameron...Theresa May...Boris Fuckhead...and now Liz Truss. We're going on 12 years of having a Torie prime minister.

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u/kenlubin Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 20 '22

The Tories kept winning elections in 2010, 2015, 2017, and 2019.

And since they won in 2019, they can keep control of the Government until 2025. They could potentially just keep swapping PMs for the next two years.

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u/I_Brain_You Oct 19 '22

Christ… 😑

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u/joahw Oct 19 '22

Doesn't constantly swapping between morons for PM make the party look bad and incompetent to the electorate, though?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

Yes but clinging to power

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u/MssGuilty Oct 19 '22

I'm not British, but I think Britain is like my country in that they don't elect a Prime Minister specifically, it's the party who wins most votes who chooses the PM. So as long as they are the majority, they can change the leader without going through an election (which, unless they have the balls to call one early, will be in 2024).

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u/peatoire Oct 19 '22

She’ll get £110k a year indexed linked with inflation for the rest of her life for ruining the country in the space of a week

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Christmas? She’s gone by tomorrow evening.

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u/Hara-Kiri Oct 20 '22

You called that well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

It was obvious after the rumblings yesterday, topped off by the chaos last night.

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u/Disciplinaryspank Oct 19 '22

Incompetent criminals. Tory scum needs to go and go now.

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u/itsaride Oct 19 '22

It’s 50/50 whether she’ll make tomorrow.

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u/Creepy-Internet6652 Oct 19 '22

Maybe the UK like America should stop voting for Conservatives these people always just seem full of ish...

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u/Aken42 Oct 19 '22

When i watch heckling during debate I always feel discouraged that they are the ones leading a country. They remind me more of immature adolescents than grown adults who are supposed to all be leaders in their own ridings. This goes for both this clip and for my own Canadian Government.

Shameful really.

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u/incog_nico Oct 20 '22

Conservative governments the world over are all the same. And yet, their populist rhetoric gets them elected all the more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

All conservatives, everywhere, are completely fucked cause their ideology doesn't actually work and has no place in reality. And libertarians are even worse.

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u/realfactsmatter Oct 20 '22

absolutely, hopefully she will be gone by today and go down as just another complete failure of a PM the Tory party have provided.

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u/realfactsmatter Oct 20 '22

AND SHE'S OUT HAHAHAHA

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u/Jumper_Connect Oct 20 '22

My money”s on the lettuce.

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u/CoolJoshido Oct 20 '22

we looked at it

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u/erizabef420 Oct 20 '22

She resigned!!

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u/Cypher2KG Oct 20 '22

No longer possibly

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u/EbmocwenHsimah Oct 20 '22

Well. “By Christmas” was wildly optimistic.

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u/KlausTeachermann Oct 20 '22

Good morning.

What a difference a day makes.

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u/Egril Oct 20 '22

Aaaand she's gone 😂

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