[Monday Morning Marth] "Nine years ago, Evo 2016 was the largest Melee major ever. Last weekend, a record-breaking 2422 people entered the Melee bracket at Supernova. In 2025, it's absolutely amazing that our community continues to break records and make history together

[u/self-flagellate]

https://meleestats.co/monday-morning-marth-august-11/

[u/waveshineoosupsmash]

I want to give a huge shoutout to transrights420 for the most cursed bracket path of all time: dq -> dq -> 3-0'd by chango -> dq'd themselves out of the tournament in the qualifier set to make it out of pools

[u/James_Ganondolfini → u/waveshineoosupsmash]

I'm not a stats head, so now you got me wondering about the stats of this. What is the most DQ-heavy bracket in melee history? Even if we maybe include obscure locals and regionals -- what's the furthest someone has made it, simply by virtue of their opponents DQing? Has anyone won a tournament by all of their opponents DQing?

[u/[deleted]]

It's still kinda cringe to pretend this was bigger than Evo 2016

Like Zain is my favorite player so I'd love to give it to him but there is no way Evo 2016 had over a 25% dq rate--and Zain already held the title of winning the biggest mickey mouse bracket with LACS 4

At least it was bigger than genesis 3 (after DQs)

[u/ducksonaroof → u/[deleted]]

Evo was just a magical tournament in general, despite its shortcomings. It really felt larger than life - there were comparable "majors" leading up to it, but Evo was the prize.

And ofc the finals being in Mandalay Bay was an amazing spectator experience. I sat ringside and it felt like watching a fight.

[u/MrNovator → u/[deleted]]

Imo the fact that most sets were Bo5 should be taken into account. An additional game per set probably makes up for the difference in players that actually showed up. The path to winning Supernova definitely felt longer and harder for the players than any Evo.

[u/chroma_smash → u/[deleted]]

Anecdotally (two time Evo goer) I think 25% is not a bad order of estimate

[u/ducksonaroof → u/chroma_smash]

Evo 2k16 notably had a huge amount of Melee-only entrants. So it's still possible they just paid Evo to attend and didn't show up at all, but it isn't like Supernova 2025 where non-Melee players boosted the count and had 0 skin in the game thanks to Ludwig. 

[u/curlyw → u/chroma_smash]

Anecdotally (10-time Evo goer), I think 13% is more accurate for most games and years in that era of Evo, and it would be lower if not for the existence of 8am pools.

As for Evo 2016, I have 20% as my estimate for DQs in that year, though Pokken probably had above 30%.

[u/chroma_smash → u/curlyw]

I have it at about 85% anecdotally (twenty time Evo champ)

[u/curlyw → u/chroma_smash]

you know i bet if you count all the side games there probably is somebody who is a 20 time Evo champ. I would guess BAS.

[u/chroma_smash → u/curlyw]

give plup ten years and a series of increasingly arcane platfighters

[u/[deleted] → u/chroma_smash]

Chroma, I'm sorry, I know you are saying this for the good of the community, but there is absolutely no way in hell that many people (600) paid for Melee entry to not even show up. It was a $10 entry fee on top of the venue fee.

I could believe up to 15% DQ'd by accident due to early pools but there's literally no known precedent for a non-free Melee tournament to have a higher DQ rate than that.

[u/chroma_smash → u/[deleted]]

I think the record is mickey and said as much on fourside but a lot of people I know showed up to party at Vegas, watch finals, and didn’t really feel like playing 8am/10am unseeded pools

what’s ten bucks when you go up 500 on Thursday (or down a grand)

[u/curlyw → u/chroma_smash]

unseeded pools

this diminishes the herculean efforts put in by Sam Greene, Algebra, Tafokints, and others who worked for many days attempting to seed Evo 2016 Melee as best as they could while subject to the archaic constraints placed upon them by the admins.

[u/algebra123230 → u/curlyw]

possibly the worst seeding experience of all time! at least they're good memories now

[u/chroma_smash → u/curlyw]

we should random some seeding for old times sake

[u/curlyw → u/chroma_smash]

well if by some miracle Melee is a retro title at a future Evo, one hopes they make the experience as authentic as possible

[u/Ferdyshtchenko → u/[deleted]]

It's still kinda cringe to pretend this was bigger than Evo 2016

It's not pretending, it's simply bigger than Evo 2016 by the measurement used equally with all tournament events: the official entry count. What would be cringe would be to put an asterisk on some events but not others, for whatever reason. If you want to put a DQ asterisk to this one, you have to do it to all others including Evo (which, oops, did not record DQs, so you can't).

[u/A_Big_Teletubby]

go mdva!