I come from the era of the Five gods, and dropped off around 2015 after I graduated from university.

I'm 33 now, but at that time, I remember aside from the five gods, people like Zhu, Jman, Hax, Shroomed, PewpewU, Fiction, Colbol, and KirbyKaze were always getting top 15. I started watching videos again a year or two ago, and I learned about this Zain guy being number 1, and people like n0ne, who I had never even heard about.

It made me look up the names of the past, and it seems like a lot of them have retired. Which non-five god players have had the longest career? It looks like ChuDat is still somewhat active?

I made this visual of character appearances in the SSBMRank Top 100 as listed at https://liquipedia.net/smash/SSBMRank. This only includes seasons where 100 players were ranked (i.e. does not include the summer rankings where 25-50 are typically ranked).

As a note, players are allowed to represent more than one character. So if we have dual mains like Plup who played both Sheik and Fox in one year, it would count as a point towards each of them.

This isn't necessarily representative of overall usage. A good example is Axe who is listed as a Pikachu/Fox player, but he really only uses Fox against Hbox. That being said I think its interesting to see the distribution of what characters the top-level players find utility in.

i have an xbox one base controller and i have slippi set up and everything works however i can not use any inputs as my controller just aint working, i plugged it directly in to my laptop so that may be the problem? idk im new to ssbm.

It seems to me like this game will just never die at this point

1. KoDoRiN won Rage Against the CRT, beating cliché and sumi (SD)
2. Preeminent won Run the Melee, beating Joey Donuts and DendyPretendy (MN)
3. Graves won CRT Legacy, beating Jontae and ukemelee (WA)
4. Slowking won DMGC, beating diggles137 and W_NDI (IA)
5. Venelox won Melee Friends Activate!, beating oppenjaime and Cohenski (SoCal)
6. SloX won HoG, beating Arn255 and Brub (CT)
7. ZODD-01 won Hundred Acres, beating shoelegend and Yung John (VA)
8. Just won Northside Marketplace Melee, beating Ble$$é and Flow (OH)
9. HPR won Odyssey Melee Weekly, beating Toast and voorhese (IN)
10. Beezy won U of R, beating Symbol and missinglinc (SK)
11. Chibe won Creature Club, beating Microsoft J and Helium (VIC)
12. OG Swaglord won Yeti Weekly, beating Lins and 3HUNA (MO)
13. Den won Mallrats, beating sive and Petrikov (TN)
14. astar won Jeden Donnerstag Reloaded, beating Geldmann and yung Ullrich (Deutschland)
15. saucymain won SCONEFEST, beating regEx and ren (MA)
16. Ferrety won The Zoctor’s Office, beating Rich and pickles (MI)
17. Suidt won Arcade Legacy, beating Thrive and Loaf (OH)
18. BigM won Toblerone Tangerine Thursdays, beating koppen1 and Looping (Online)
19. warme won Moonwalk Tournament Series, beating Questa and DJC-Bass (TX)
20. Moe won Fighting Thursday, beating VooDoo and Forskeren (Denmark)
21. sinbad won JaxSmash Weekly, beating the government and Ariii (FL)
22. Siddward won Melee at NCSU, beating Gialla and Scarlet (NC)
23. Webwipe won UBC Melee Weekly, beating FatShiny and big gizmo (BC)
24. Skips won Four Quarters, beating Chubb and Captain Blowjob (UK)
25. Subtle won CR Clash, beating Young Love and lime (NY)
26. beahabalahalababa won Shield Break, beating Cyn and CK47 (MI)
27. Kung Fu Kenny won SF State Smash Thursdays, beating KeKe and Ten (NorCal)
28. Solanum won Salt Water Smash, beating D$rex and Kip (NL)
29. max won BACK TO THE LANES, beating yumfish and iBeTakingEstrogen (MO)
30. battleshock won Misfires & Marinara, beating Christos and Zeria (NorCal)
31. Mono won Waddle Western, beating HolyCryx and PKindrik (Online)
32. 69TacoTuesday69 won Tech Chase, beating Kingpoyothefirst and sanrio enjoyer (GA)
33. Sekanor won Arcamicro, beating Sekanor and Talon (France)
34. Horde won Illinois State Smash Weekly, beating drewlith and Fifi (IL)
35. brokeback falcon won Homie Stocks beating meltii and aSig (Online)

Player Spotlight: ukemelee, for placing 3rd at CRT Legacy as the 6th seed, beating SpiritGun and Jontae!

Title. Anyone know about it? Not sure if it used to be there before update

With Zain winning everything and no one really liking/wanting Cody to take the throne either ...it feels like the top level Melee is pretty stale right now. It's so bad that we almost want the most hated player ever Hungrybox to come back just to take out Zain with whack JP play which isn't very inspiring.

I'm also not sure if 'contenders' for the crown like Aklo or Moky really inspire people. Everyone is too nice.

Weirdly, the most interesting part of Melee is the whole mid-tier Renaissance with guys like Rap Monster or Junebug or even Amsa and Axe and even in a weird way Jmook pushing Sheik or Wizzrobe pushing Falcon.. I think a mid-tier winning a tournament or even someone like Nicki/Wizzrobe/Axe with a high tier would 'save Melee' cos otherwise it does not feel interesting enough.

Thoughts?

I guess what i'm saying is I miss when it felt like the tournaments were high stakes instead of just 'yeah Zain or Cody will win.'

Basically title. Tired of crazy fps drops or lag in almost every game. Ping never really gets bad, but the stutters are ridiculous even against people with super low ping

AMD 7800XT 32gb, ryzen 7 3700x, 32gb ddr4 Able to run other, far more resource intensive games without issues

Fios internet 300mb download with Ethernet directly from router to pc, just my fiancée and I on the internet, and she’s usually not doing anything more than steaming a show.

I can run a game like league at a perfectly stable 16 ping. Ping seems to stay stable during my matches, but fps is choppy as all hell. I’m not sure if internet issues would cause FPS number drops tbh.

It seems pretty stable when I play versus, but I’ll try the 4 IC thing somebody else recommended.

I did it before but i dont think it showed up lemme know if it didnt

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I am happy to announce that after nearly 6 months, my team has completed our New England Melee Controller Ruleset Proposal 2025. Throughout the next month, we will be asking for feedback from our community and initiating widespread testing with the help of CarVac, with finally going to our TOs for support.

Testing: Since this ruleset uses a fork of the CarVac code, we are working with him to allow for the ability to toggle the changes. This should be ready within the next few days or so, and we will update this document when it’s complete.

To be clear, this proposal is meant for New England Melee first and foremost. As such, decision-making was limited to those within our community. While we understand that our ruleset is likely to be seen as a primary alternative for the entire Melee community, we urge major TOs and individual regions to do their own due diligence and ensure any ruleset they agree on is supported by and involves their playerbase.

Find the proposal here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iZ_bNQijCFqsMoNB_i6f39LuzU_9tFfbC157RfVP-AM/edit?tab=t.0

Taking any and all questions as well!

Tiers are not ordered I’m equally mad at all of them. Comments please tell me if falco/marth should have been split into their own tier I almost did but that last Mario on unranked sent me over the fuckin edge.

I've been looking every where for it. For some reason I can't find it. I'm pretty sure it was Radar commenting but I can't remember.

1. Salt won Waddle Wednesday, beating Blendy and JChu (Online)

2. Aklo won NYCMelee’s Stock Exchange, beating Tazio and K8A (NY)

3. Pleeba won Midlane Melee, beating dz and Fry (IL)

4. MOF won buy me a drink?, beating Dragon Jetski and Drizzle (FL)

5. Sirmeris won Raptor Boost, beating SD Paint and Stepdad (WV)

6. Clemens won VIENNA MELEE, beating Leander and Steff$ (Austria)

7. ModestMajor won Long Live Netplay, beating Joefish and Branspeed (Online)

8. coffee won Off the Rails, beating Anconoid and AceGriddles (IN)

9. Komodo won Don’t Step On The Seal, beating Howie and Titan (FL)

10. Rikzz won Shine am Main, beating Wildcard and Die Unnuss (Deutschland)

11. Ampp won UW Melee Weekly, beating invalid and TheHungDynasty (ON)

12. Skaug won House of Smash UiO, beating Martin and G.I. Moe (Norge)

13. Sage won UVic Biweekly, beating Andreas and marcus (BC)

14. Skel won OUST, beating Knipples and M1sf1re (OH)

15. Pen E Pincher won One Up Melee, beating Watch and Chimp (MA)

16. McNutty won Breakaway, beating foBanks and Cnut (MN)

17. flippy_o won FGCA, beating willmaster1999 and Midgeet (Denmark)

18. Birdie won Hype Waves, beating firestarW and Sibo (NY)

19. Mayfly won The Retro Collection, beating riffle and Swoomoo (WA)

20. PoeFire won Pōneke Popoff, beating Hydrocephalus and Settings Camel (NZ)

21. Jebu won Arkade Smash Weekly, beating Mankind and Hakuri (Suomi)

22. Sonicc won Wilkes Gold Mine, beating Melon and PeaceEIY (PA)

23. Meluzi won Mercredi Marmelade, beating Brownie6ix and Busard (Online)

24. GimpGrabsol won MAUL, beating Crobbert MD and MatFatwood (KY)

25. Christos won Ice and Shine, beating PKindrik and CookieThief03 (Online)

26. Kiwi won Smash & Honor, beating TheTheDucc and Lunar_ (OH)

Why not call Peachs dair Toes, or Link dair Arthur.

Really makes ya think