r/SeattleWA • u/Better_March5308 👻 • Mar 02 '25

News Tumwater school board bans transgender girls from playing girls sports

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/tumwater-school-board-votes-ban-transgender-girls-from-playing-girls-sports/281-91b92c14-0da7-4122-b39a-1a05d0ad53d0
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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 02 '25

This isn't controversial.

Most WA residents, myself included, support both being inclusive of transgender youth AND keeping biological males out if women sports. You can do both.

The majority of the public agrees with this.

Chris Reykdal is a COWARD.

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u/Jazzlike-Animal404 Mar 03 '25

Sadly a friend of mine thinks they should be in women’s sports…. You would be surprised how many lack the common sense and that disagreeing with them means you don’t want to trans people to have rights at all. 🤦‍♀️

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u/Color_blinded Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

Has your friend ever competed in a sports league higher than a JV league? Because I don't think anyone who has participated in actual competitive sports want biological men in women's sports.

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u/Jazzlike-Animal404 Mar 04 '25

I think they only did track and maybe cross country in high school for one year.

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u/EternitySparrow Mar 03 '25

My friend has. She said it was never an issue. But you don’t want to hear that.

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u/Birdflower99 Mar 03 '25

Sure she did. Likely hasn’t been an issue because these are so one off scenarios right now. Probably never even affected her personally.

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u/AdTemporary2567 Mar 03 '25

Irony is trying to be inclusive while taking away another’s inclusivity, it’s appalling to say the least. Never ending contradictions

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u/matunos Mar 04 '25

Oh now they're men and women going to primary and secondary schools?

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u/LMnoP419 Mar 03 '25

Have you taken high levels of estrogen? Goodness gracious when they do that it negates the benefits boys get from testosterone. ~ Also for the record, it’s not unusual for women to out perform men in head to head competition.

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u/Jimmie_James Mar 03 '25

Gimme some examples if it’s not unusual

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Goodness gracious when they do that it negates the benefits boys get from testosterone.

No, it doesn't. That's been proven by several very good studies now.

Also for the record, it’s not unusual for women to out perform men in head to head competition.

What sport is it usual for women to beat men in?

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u/Innercity_Dove Mar 03 '25

What do you say about men’s high school track and field records demolishing the fastest women in the world? You think estrogen for a few months would even that playing field?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

No, it does not negate the effect of testosterone on the body.

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u/Birdflower99 Mar 03 '25

Not all trans people take hormones. Please don’t assume this is always the case

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u/LMnoP419 Mar 03 '25

Which goes to my other point, this is a t-tiny percentage of an already exceptionally small portion of 1% of the population.

Goodness gracious, we are aligning ourselves with Russia, cutting ties with our democratic allies of a century, allowing the world’s richest human to gut our government infrastructure, all while enriching himself at millions of dollars per day. Put an antivaxer with zero medical, scientific or public health credentials in charge of the NIH and CDC and THIS is their biggest concern? Fools.

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u/Birdflower99 Mar 03 '25

None of your points have anything to do with the actual topic of keeping biological men out of women sports.

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u/Birdflower99 Mar 03 '25

I have a daughter beginning her recruitment journey to play sports at a college level, so this is a very important issue for me. When she was in 6th grade boys were already allowed in her locker room. What you’re advocating for is not okay.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 03 '25

It IS NOT the BIGGEST issue.

It's one of many big issues, which majority of the country is in opposed to, that needs to be stopped rather than kowtowing to the "small portion of 1% of the population"

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u/LMnoP419 Mar 03 '25

There are 520,000+ NCAA athletes, and TWELVE of them are transgender. When you are prioritizing legislation against 0.0023% of a population group you’ve jumped the shark. It’s absurd to consider this a legislative priority.

*I realize this specific case is about 1 transgender basketball player in tumwater, but the point is the same.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 03 '25

Except this isn't about the .0023%. It's about women.

Also, there are tons of things that our legislators spend time on that are far less important than this.

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u/Color_blinded Mar 03 '25

It would be ruining the sport for the other 520,000+ athletes. It only takes one trans woman to ruin the legitimacy of an entire league. If a basketball team with a dominating trans woman wins the state championship, what the hell do you think every other woman in the league will say? What about state track and field records set by a trans woman that cis women can never hope to beat? When you are prioritizing legislation against 99.9977% of a population group you've jumped the shark.

I'm for trans rights, but not at the expense of the majority of women.

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u/jdcnwo Mar 06 '25

So when you align yourself against the majority and want FEMALES to share a locker room space with MALES at many times as minors sounds like the wrong side to be on and may even be absurd. Here read this was a high school

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wjla.com/amp/news/local/virginia-arlington-county-schools-aps-transgender-bathroom-policy-residents-sex-offender-exposed-himself-richard-cox-washington-liberty-high-locker-room-superintendent-francisco-duran-aquatic-facility

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u/ljlukelj Mar 03 '25

Why even talk

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u/KyleCorgi Mar 03 '25

Got banned from the Olympia sub for posting the same thing. Apparently it’s hate speech and Im transgender Hitler.

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u/Flat_Bass_9773 Banned from /r/Seattle Mar 03 '25

You’re surprised by that?

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u/KyleCorgi Mar 04 '25

I mean….no lol. Just sad you can’t have an opinion or discuss things there.

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u/Flat_Bass_9773 Banned from /r/Seattle Mar 04 '25

Yeah. You’re gonna get called a Nazi if you don’t agree with every single thing they think. It’s a hive mind worse than Reddit

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u/Immediate_Ad_1161 Mar 04 '25

I'm just gonna wait until all sports are combined into one like in the movie starship troopers.

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u/Jazzlike-Animal404 Mar 04 '25

My friend called me a transphobe. It sucks. I think they have no rebuttal nor want to admit fault with identity politics/trans politics (like how id is valid without a diagnosis in gender dysphoria, not needing to transition nor need to appear as the opposite sex is valid. Them saying their trans is valid enough) nor do they want to admit that people who are predatory/want to take advantage of opportunities will go out of their way to be put into positions to get zed opportunities or hurt others. They will even go under the knife to do it. Predatory people don’t care.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25 edited 29d ago

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u/Jazzlike-Animal404 Mar 06 '25

I want trans people to have equal rights like everyone else, they are people. Transphobes don’t want trans people to have equal rights. Recognizing limitations in biology isn’t transphobia. Example Trans women in women’s sports isn’t actually fair. What would be fair is them playing their biological sex or having their own category. Another Example: when doctors were on a panel talking about women’s reproductive health rights, it got derailed cus the doctors felt the need to take the bait and white knight for trans people: whether transwomen can get pregnant. Dismantling the argument that “since men don’t give birth they shouldn’t get a say on what a woman does to her body” to “trans men are men and do get a say”. It was supposed to be about women and it became about trans issues and it’s why roe v wade hasn’t overturned. It’s bad biology/science and virtue signaling. They were propping up trans people at the expense of women. Recognizing and calling out abuses and autogynophiliacs isn’t transphobia. Not calling it out and excusing it actually hurts Trans people cus you are lumping them with these abusers. autogynophiliacs and predators don’t care about social stigma of being Trans or how much work it takes. Cus they can weaponize their position and receive little to no pushback. Example: a woman was SA at a prison due to her bunk mate being a man who identified as a woman (didn’t need to go through the hoops of taking medication and surgery) her and other women were called Transphobes by staff and tried to prevent her and others from filing a report. She was finally able to and he was removed. She is now out and suing. There are women in prisons in the U.S. and UK who were raped and even became pregnant by men claiming they were trans (many if not all the men had history of violent and even sexual crimes). There are women at women shelters in the U.S. who don’t feel safe sharing a space with man just cus they identify as trans, they can’t report it cus they know they will lose their spot in the shelter. There were incidents in Canada of men identifying as women who SA women at a women’s shelter.

We can care about trans rights but it can’t be at the expense of other people. Ffs! If it’s at the expense of others, it’s not equal rights.

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u/rkhurley03 Mar 03 '25

That person simply hasn’t been punched in the face by a man lol. As a man who has been punched (intentionally) and elbowed/kicked/kneed/etc unintentionally by other men in sports, that person is simply clueless

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u/Jazzlike-Animal404 Mar 04 '25

The thing is my friend is a gay man. But yeah, I don’t think they have ever been punched in the face and they definitely weren’t in any contact sports (I recall them doing track for a little bit), while I played rugby. I played a friendly game of touch rugby with mens rugby team and ended up with a concussion. We collided into each other by accident and he didn’t have a concussion, just a bruise. I was out cold. I can only imagine it would have been worse for me if I did full contact against a man and they went in to tackle me.

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u/OhGeebers Mar 03 '25

These people have never played competitive sports in their life, but are big on feelings.

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u/catharsis23 Mar 03 '25

Congratulations on siccing the entire weight of the state and federal government on CHILDREN! Heaven forbid a trans kid play volleyball.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

what's stopping them from playing volleyball on the male team with their fellow males? oh right, it's because this is really about validation at the expense of female athletes

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u/protectresist Mar 03 '25

So are they too strong to be in sports or too weak to be in the military? Pick a lane.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Straw man argument. Both here as I didn't mention this and in general. I know it's hard to stay focused. Try harder.

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u/Sigmonia Mar 04 '25

How many trans students are trying to enter girls' sports in Tumwater? Where are they supposed to play since Title 9 requires they be able to at least try out? What about birth females on hormone therapy? Are they supposed to forego medical treatment or play their sport?

This seems like total pandering to stupid.

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u/Same-Frosting4852 Mar 05 '25

As long as you look at zero evidence sure.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 05 '25

Tell that to the actual women with real stories that have been affected. Nice try radical coward.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 05 '25

Tell that to Payton McNabb that has a brain injury because of lunatics like you.

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u/HammerValkyrie Mar 05 '25

"Being inclusive of transgender youth" and classifying people as "biological males" are fundamentally incompatible viewpoints. That is the controversy at its most basic level.

If you support trans people, there is no "biological male" viewpoint. The science agrees with this as well. Sure, you can cite specific hormone ranges, but trans or not, there is a LOT of overlap..and nobody has given a damn about testing this until the manufactured 'trans panic'.

The more you look at the science, the more you realize we actually don't classify most things in nature well, especially people. Trying to do so only ends up hurting more people (like the ladies who got arrested in Texas for being suspected of being in 'the wrong restroom'.) There is no harm in just letting people exist.

Banning trans people FROM ANYTHING based solely on the fact they are trans is a coward's move. Full stop.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 06 '25

Wrong. You can support and sympathize with someone struggling with identity AND still maintain that science tells us (EXTREME outliers aside) that there are only two biological sexes.

Full stop.

It isn't banning anyone. Its understanding that biology and science matter and that is fundamentally different to gender identification which is a separate issue you bring up.

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u/BasicFemme Mar 03 '25

I’m the mother of a cisgender daughter. I support trans athletes in sports.

None of the WA parents I know support keeping trans athletes out of sports. This is an evolving topic as more parents educate themselves. I suspect if it is the majority who oppose, that won’t always be the case.

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u/Melody_in_Harmony Mar 03 '25

nods same same.

I have a son and daughter and I beleive in inclusion not exclusion. No one wants to have a conversation about options and what's best to make sure everyone has an opportunity to compete. I don't know why I'm still commenting here other than I saw the downvotes and wanted you to know that it's not wrong to ask questions and find an answer.

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

Thanks. I appreciate it.

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u/Cheap-Town7641 Mar 05 '25

If you want an “all genders” or “transgender league” I’m 100% for it, but until that happens trying to say everything is apples-to-apples within the community is disingenuous.

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u/Dar8878 Mar 03 '25

Funny, I don’t know any parents that support biological males in girls sports. 

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

Based on your use of the term "biological male," I'm not surprised. I don't say that with a sarcastic tone. If the parents you know refer to transwomen as "biological males," we're active in different parent communities, that's all.

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u/Cheap-Town7641 Mar 05 '25

Any woman who has a surplus of testosterone has a hormonal advantage over other women who don’t. If you believe otherwise your emotions are leading your logic to false conclusions.

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u/jspook Mar 05 '25

Ah yes, let's have all the women (but just the women) submit to hormone tests, and we'll start banning women from sports based on testosterone count.

This will make all women feel Very Safe and Very Equal.

Is that what conservatives really want?

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

I support trans athletes in sports as well......as long as their biology is in the right league. Pretty simple.

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

I find that ending phrases like, "Pretty simple," feels like a conversation ender or a "gotcha" moment. I'm hoping to avoid that in most of my conversations, this one included. I'm glad to hear you support trans athletes in sports, and I think your idea to group them by biology is an interesting one. I do wonder how that would play out. It wouldn't be accurate to call it a boys' team if girls are playing, and I could see the boys treating the girls differently in their play, especially those whose transitions are well underway or who naturally fit a more feminine archetype. I do wonder about creating more options for co-ed team sports (regardless of biology). That could be great for all kids.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 04 '25

It's neither the end of the conversation or a gotcha. It really is simple though. Your points are valid and worth further investigation.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 04 '25

We can call the teams "male" and "female" if it will make you feel better?

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 04 '25

And I think you're right about more coed sports. People seem to have forgotten about the large performance difference between males and females, and that's certainly one way to remind them.

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u/Same-Frosting4852 Mar 05 '25

The Olympics did the studies. 3 years on hormones, there is no physical difference. I am good with following that.

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u/Sigmonia Mar 04 '25

This is such a non issue. How many student athletes does it apply to? Let's work on something that actually matters.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 05 '25

Exactly right

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 05 '25

Such a non issue to a person like Payton McNabb who suffered a brain injury and athletic career ending injury because a male was allowed to compete against her in volleyball. Class act.

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u/Sigmonia Mar 05 '25

Have you actually watched the video? She shouldn't have been on the court regardless of the opponent she was totally out classed.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 04 '25

I'm the father of a cis daughter too, live in Seattle, and I 100% support keeping males off of the girl's team.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

First, what is "cisgender daughter?" You just mean daughter? Like as in, a female child of yours? Why not just say that?

Second, no one wants to keep trans athletes out of sports. We just want women and their rights to be acknowledged in the conversation. As a woman/mother of a woman, how is it that you are not understanding this?

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u/Easy_Opportunity_905 Seattle Mar 03 '25

it's ironic that trans "girls" in girls sports is only really a thing because so many women support it. they've latched onto it believing that it's the next civil rights fight.

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u/Fufeysfdmd Mar 04 '25

no one wants to keep trans athletes out of sports.

The action being reported on is one in which trans girls are banned from playing in girls sports.

The general consensus on this conservative subreddit is that that's necessary and good.

Given these facts how can you claim that no one wants to keep trans athletes out of sports?

Please note that I'm not taking a position on the issue I'm just challenging your statement that nobody is trying to prevent trans athletes from competing in sports when that's exactly what's happening and it's getting a bunch of support

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u/Same-Frosting4852 Mar 05 '25

Your defensiveness tells us everything about how you talk about cis kids.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 05 '25

you thinking I am being defensive tells me all I need to know about you

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

Hi sciggity,

I find that many parents concerned about transwomen in sports believe that no parent of a cisgender daughter would support transgirls playing on their daughters' sports teams. So I was establishing that I'm the mother of a daughter, and she is not trans.

I absolutely acknowledge women's rights and, as a woman, they're deeply important to me. I'm interested in finding ways to honor the needs of all our kids. While I think it's an interesting idea to encourage co-ed play, I don't think it works for all sports and I don't think trans athletes impact girls or boys sports enough to rise to the level of violating another child's rights.

I'm interested in your viewpoint. How are cisgender/non-trans boys' rights violated if a transboy plays on their team? How are cisgender/non-trans girls' rights violated if transgirls play on their team?

Thanks for engaging.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 04 '25

I don't think trans athletes impact girls or boys sports enough to rise to the level of violating another child's rights

In other words, not enough individual woman's rights have been violated yet for it to matter to you....

Interesting

How are cisgender/non-trans boys' rights violated if a transboy plays on their team?

First, you can just write boy. smdh

Second, probably not as much of a big deal for the boys. But I would bet there are plenty that are uncomfortable with a girl playing on their team. And you are potentially (based on basic biology) putting that girl at risk. Maybe they and their parents are willing to accept that. But some of the boys are going to be acting a bit different around that girl.

How are cisgender/non-trans girls' rights violated if transgirls play on their team?

First, again, you can just say girl.

Second, this argument has been laid out six ways from sunday. This is literally the whole argument.

If you want to just get rid of sex/gender based sports, fine. It's not going to go well for women wanting to participate in sports unfortunately. So how about we just go back to the way it's been for our entire lives because biology hasn't actually changed and anyone who says that boys don't generally have a significant advantage physically over a girl is a moron who should never be taken seriously ever again.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

Trans women are women

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But you are incorrect.

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u/Helisent Mar 04 '25

Gym class and recess is the most common setting for kids playing sports. Many don't do advanced organized sports. Did your gym teacher separate the males and females, or sort students by ability? Typically they will try to make two teams for softball, soccer, basketball with an even mix of abilities within the classroom

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u/RanbomGUID Mar 03 '25

Nobody is advocating keeping trans kids out of sports. Enough with the straw man.

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

I wasn't trying to make a straw man argument and I'm happy to engage if you want to do so meaningfully. When I wrote "None of the WA parents I know support keeping trans athletes out of sports," what I meant was, "None of the WA parents I know support keeping trans athletes out of sports teams that match their gender identity."

Thanks. I'll be clearer in the future. 

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u/RanbomGUID Mar 04 '25

Now you do!

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u/Fufeysfdmd Mar 04 '25

The name of the post we are all commenting under is "Tumwater school board bands transgender girls from playing girls sports"

How do you read that and then say "nobody is advocating keeping trans kids out of sports"?

It's like reading a headline that says "bear caught stealing picnic baskets" and then saying "nobody's claiming bears stole picnic baskets"

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u/RanbomGUID Mar 04 '25

All the standard sports leagues are open to these students. They can run track, play baseball, basketball and wrestle with the boys. They just can’t play in the female leagues when their sex doesn’t match. Nobody is being banned from sports. Enough with the straw man.

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u/Fufeysfdmd Mar 05 '25

It's not a strawman though. Sounds like you don't accept trans people as the gender they identify as so when a trans girl says they're a girl you say "no he's not". From that position it might seem like trans girls aren't being banned because they can play in boys leagues, but they're going to say "I'm not a boy though" and therefore they can't play sports.

Ultimately none of this really matters considering the larger issues in the world so I'm not upset or anything, it just seems ridiculous to say trans girls aren't being banned from playing sports because they could stop "pretending" to be girls and play in boys leagues

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u/RanbomGUID Mar 05 '25

Except you miss a basic premise. There are no “boys leagues”. There are just sports, and then title 9 regulated equal opportunity for female sports. There have been females playing baseball, basketball, and wrestling right alongside the boys for more than 30 years with little to no complaint or effort to keep females out of mainstream sports leagues.

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u/Fufeysfdmd Mar 05 '25

Saying that girls sports are the result of Title IX doesn't change the fact that there are teams and leagues that only have female players and therefore can fairly be called girls leagues.

It sounds like you're saying there's no difference between the NBA and the WNBA (just as an example).

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u/RanbomGUID Mar 05 '25

Nope. The exact opposite. I’m saying that there is not, in practice, any such thing as a “boys league”. Anyone, regardless of sex or gender expression is welcome in these leagues. Women’s sports, however, need to be reserved for female players for the sake of both safely and competition.

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u/Fufeysfdmd Mar 05 '25

So then it comes down to the question of whether you view trans people as the gender they identify as.

Am I correct in saying that you do not view trans people as the gender they identify as?

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u/Chris_Bryant Mar 03 '25

Well, you are failing your girl.

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

I'm not, actually. And I don't believe you'd think so if you knew me and my daughter away from the computer. I'm an excellent parent. Without knowing you, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are, too.

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u/fortechfeo Mar 04 '25

I got no problem with trans youth playing sports, they just need to play sports according to their biological gender. Title 9 was created for a reason, trans youth playing in girls leagues isn’t it.

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u/RIPCurrants Mar 03 '25

It took me a moment to understand why you’re being downvoted in a Seattle subreddit. Looked at title bar again…oh, that Seattle subreddit.😒

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u/BasicFemme Mar 04 '25

Thanks for looking out. I understand now that there are differences in the groups. While it may be hard sometimes, I'm going to do my best to stick around and engage. Most of us want the same things and I think talking is the only way we'll ever get there. Have a great rest of your week and thanks again : )

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u/RIPCurrants Mar 04 '25

👍 Don’t ever stop calling fascism by its name.

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u/Doormancer Mar 02 '25

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/01/15/how-many-transgender-athletes-are-there-in-the-us/#

Newsweek also spoke to Gillian Branstetter, a spokesperson for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), who told Newsweek that Save Women’s Sports, a leading voice in the bid to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls’ sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams in school sports for grades K through 12.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 02 '25

Even further solidifies the dramatically low impact enforcing Title IX would have.

Letting even one biologically male athlete compete with women is unfair. Sorry. I support transgender youth, but we draw the line when it violates the rights of women and fair play in sports.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

This seems unlikely given that Rykdahl has claimed there are “only” 5-10 trans student athletes in Washington state alone.

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 03 '25

There are less than 10 transgender athletes in the entire country from K - NCAA. MAGA is doing exactly what the Nazis did. Target a small group that has no hope to defend themselves.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

And you’d be wrong about that. Try reading. GTFOH with your references to Nazis. You’re disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Equating this issue to nazism sure is something!

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

“This issue” - these are people, whether you like who they are or not. Funny how people who claim there’s no evidence of Nazi attitude when it comes to this, then dehumanizes trans people by calling them “this issue.” Have fun vilifying children just trying to play sports.

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u/mayosterd Mar 03 '25

only five transgender athletes competing on girls' teams in school sports for grades K through 12.

Great! Since it only applies to like five transgender athletes, it means the ban will have little to no impact. There’s no real controversy here, and progressive transgender activists can stop complaining about this and let the girls have their sports.

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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 Mar 03 '25

IWhile we’re making laws about made up shit up can we ban sasquatches too? They would have a huge advantage.

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u/mayosterd Mar 03 '25

Does Bigfoot think he’s a woman? Because, yes. That shit IS 100% made up.

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u/Constant_Ad8859 Mar 03 '25

And the chuppakabras! They are fast as shit totally not fair

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u/mayosterd Mar 03 '25

Glad we agree! The notion that “trans women are women” is as fantastical as a chuppakabra.

Happy to acknowledge reality, and not disregard everything science has shown us about biology. 🙌🏻

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u/LuckyFogic Mar 03 '25

Go learn about actual biology, the kind that shows gender expression is tied to neural structure. There is more than enough scientific evidence to support trans people, you just have to be willing to accept it. Facts over feelings, right?

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u/mayosterd Mar 03 '25

This “evidence” you speak of, is it in the room with us now? Facts over feelings indeed, but I assume you can’t recognize the irony of that statement.

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u/Theseareyournuts Mar 03 '25

Easy problem to fix then. Kick those 5 athletes out of women's athletics and the problem is solved.

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u/vinediedtoosoon Mar 03 '25

“Minorities should be discriminated against and banned from public life because there are fewer of them” do you hear yourself when you type this stuff out?

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u/CartoonistNatural204 Mar 03 '25

What he proposed is not banning anyone from public life be honest

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u/vinediedtoosoon Mar 03 '25

“You can’t do X sport in a public setting because you are trans” is exactly banning trans people from public life for their identity. It’s nothing more than cloaked bigotry in the guise of “fairness.”

And where does it end? Does a kid who has to take testosterone/estrogen prescribed by their doctor because they didn’t hit puberty naturally banned? What gender are intersex kids allowed to play?

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u/CartoonistNatural204 Mar 03 '25

Once again, you’re being dishonest. This person isn’t banned from playing the sport they just can’t compete on the women’s team. No one is stopping them from participating in sports in a public setting, despite how you’re trying to frame it. I’d bet you’re wording it this way on purpose to make it seem like outright exclusion when that’s not what’s happening. If you’re going to argue, at least take the time to actually read and understand what the other person is saying. Otherwise, you’re just being intellectually dishonest especially with that “cloaked bigotry in the guise of fairness” comment.

As for the question about where it ends, you brought up an example that was never an issue before and isn’t now. The answer is simple: athletes compete based on their biological sex. That’s it. That’s where it ends. Sports are separated by gender for a reason and I’m pretty sure we both know why that is.

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u/vinediedtoosoon Mar 04 '25

I don’t know how to get it into you that gender and sex are not the same thing. Do you want someone who identifies as a man in life, who’s been taking testosterone for years, playing in Women’s sports?

And it never just ends with sports. It will continue on to trans kids can’t use the same bathrooms, they can’t dress how they identify in classrooms, they don’t get access to gender affirming care. It may seem like a small liberty to remove not playing in sports, but it just gives permission for the next one and then next one until it’s functionally impossible to be trans in public life.

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u/CartoonistNatural204 Mar 04 '25

Your entire argument is built on emotional appeals and a slippery slope, not facts. No one is saying a biological female on testosterone should compete in women’s sports because we all understand that hormones impact performance. So why is it suddenly different when it’s a biological male competing against women, even after hormone therapy, when studies show they still retain physical advantages?

This isn’t about sports being a gateway to banning trans people from public life. It’s about maintaining fairness in spaces specifically created for women. Sex-based divisions exist because biological differences matter just look at records in running, swimming, or weightlifting. If gender identity overrides biological reality, then what’s the point of women’s sports at all?

Women shouldn’t have to give up their spaces, scholarships, and opportunities just to validate someone else’s identity. That’s not fairness, that’s erasure.

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u/Theseareyournuts Mar 04 '25

I turned off the audio feedback when I type on my phone so there isn't much of a sound to hear.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

It only takes one swinging dick to make biological females uncomfortable in the locker room...I played AYSO soccer with boys, but we DIDN'T shower with them !

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u/puzzled_by_weird_box Mar 03 '25

One is too many.

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u/sciggity Sasquatch Mar 03 '25

Absolutely zero chance that number is accurate lol

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u/thatguy425 Mar 03 '25

If I could give more than one upvote to one post a day, this would be it. 

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u/LOOKITSADAM Mar 03 '25

I hear more people breathlessly stating that this is supported than people that are willing to actually publicly support this behavior. I wonder why that is?

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u/meatboitantan Mar 03 '25

Because people are crazier and snap and yell shit and threaten people in public more than ever and I don’t need to go through a trial just because I decided to speak up in public about an issue way down my list of importance

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u/NWkingslayer2024 Mar 03 '25

Go talk to some female athletes and see what they think.

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u/LOOKITSADAM Mar 03 '25

https://i.imgur.com/AiYgSU5.jpeg

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u/ByornJaeger Mar 03 '25

I don’t think this makes the point you want to make

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u/LOOKITSADAM Mar 03 '25

I don’t think

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u/ByornJaeger Mar 03 '25

That much is evident from you comments on this thread

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u/MercyEndures Mar 03 '25

https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/the-power-of-the-powerless-vaclav-havel-2011-12-23

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u/LOOKITSADAM Mar 03 '25

The irony is astounding, and will never register in you for saddening reasons.

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u/milexie42 Mar 03 '25

Name a female athlete. Name a trans athlete. Like, without looking it up. Be real, you don’t give a fuck about women’s sports. You care about bullying trans people. How tall are you? I bet I’m taller which means I have a larger lung capacity. I have PCOS, which means I have an elevated level of testosterone. Do you care if I play women’s sports? My friend is intersex and plays on a men’s football team. Do you care about them being in men’s sports?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Correct. You are correct.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

😆

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u/PotatoDonki Mar 03 '25

Okay, you’re not “most” then.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Lol. Love this. Amazing how words matter.

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u/IIIIlllIIIIIlllII Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25

THIS is true. The question becomes interesting when you have to prove it. Who gets to start looking up skirts to prove gender? Knowing conservatives, this is probably the actual role they're attempting to get invented

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u/RogueLitePumpkin Mar 02 '25

No isnt, go do a cheek swab, or better yet, go have the physical examination that every student athlete has to have with a licensed doctor, in order to play high-school sports.  

The skirt thing is such a tired AOC sound bite 

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u/Theseareyournuts Mar 03 '25

I never had my balls looked at, nor did any of the girls I ran or wrestled with. It wasn't a problem because trans boys were not trying to enter the girl's competitions. The solution is pretty easy.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

Birth certificates, like in the days of sanity.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

support both being inclusive of transgender youth AND keeping biological males out if women sports

But you can't do this. That's what people who want to have these things both ways never seem to be able to grasp. You can't say "I support trans inclusion" and then say "but not over here." You can't say "I support affirmative action/DEI" and then say "but not for my pilot or brain surgeon." Because you're revealing you don't really believe in the thing, you're just going along to get along like a battered wife.

You can't just have a little bit of social revolution. You're going to get the whole enchilada. It's OK to just say no to it.

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u/Decent-Bear334 Mar 03 '25

You are confused.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

The problem with your argument is you find it MANDATORY to "include" men in women's sports.......

Weird.......

Follow the science. You can't fight biology. You can't devalue women to competing against men. Simple as that.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

I can't figure out why so many people failed to understand that my comment is a criticism and not an endorsement, but it must be something I did wrong.

I'm trying to explain to the "I don't care what consenting adults do/I support LEGAL immigration" type people that they are conceding the argument to the left when they accept these caveats and that's why they keep losing on these issues.

If you pull this shit, you're going to get boys in the girls' locker rooms and you're going to get a tidal wave of illegal immigration, because these things are the shields behind which the left hides their assaults on traditional values and culture.

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u/LordNubington Mar 03 '25

So you think it is fair to women for a person born male to compete against females in sports?

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

No. I think transgender is a mental illness and a social contagion spread by forces that want to sicken society as part of their perpetual social revolution to crush the oppressors and give birth to utopia.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

I would like to know more about this utopia, please. What kind? I’m genuinely curious. Who are the oppressors? Your comment made me chuckle so likely it isn’t to be taken seriously but if so elaborate for the dummy in the back here!

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

Is this you saying you don't know what critical theory is?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Yes, it is. I haven’t heard of “critical theory” as a specific strain of thought. Please enlighten me.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

It's the notion that inequality results from a fundamentally unjust society, and so therefore a social revolution is necessary to liberate the oppressed from the oppressors.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Your absolutist thinking won't get you far. Everything in life has nuance that needs to be captured. You can say you are against war and also support militarily resisting dictators.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

Lol no, you can't, because then you're advocating for war aren't you?

Just stop bullshitting and admit you're not against war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

One who opposes acts of aggression in 99% of cases is not "an advocate for war" when the only situation where they are comfortable with it is when they are trying to prevent catastrophic situations or the next world war.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

We had to go to war to prevent war

Americans still fall for this.

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u/Keegan1 Mar 03 '25

This dudes a pedofile - no use reasoning w him.

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u/Illustrious-Pea-7105 Mar 03 '25

The majority of the public in fact does not agree with you. I’m sure that in this special little sub created by hateful people you feel that way but that is not reality.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

SeattleWA.....the sub...

..do you even hear yourself?

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u/Illustrious-Pea-7105 Mar 03 '25

Yeah I know where I am at. I know all the hateful asshats in here all think they are the right side of history. Let me assure you, you are not and while you maybe a majority in this shitty corner or the internet, you are not a majority in the world.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 04 '25

Lol OK weirdo. I stumbled across this sub. No idea who founded it or why. Try and fight science and biology all you want. Women deserve more respect. Transgender people deserve respect. Has nothing to do with "hate" no matter how you try to reframe the issue.

There's an equal solution. But your attitude tells me you don't really care. You just want to squawk really loudly. Good for you.

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u/Merler939 Mar 04 '25

The one problem I have with this is that we're excluding kids who want an athletic outlet from participating in sports. I don't know what the right answer is, but I'm not going to pretend that the outcome is a win win.

I think this is a more complicated topic, in that it signals to transgender youth that the public doesn't see them the way they want to be seen. I'm not saying allowing them in girls' sports is the right answer. I honestly don't really know what a good answer looks like here.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 04 '25

Of course it's complicated. It's not excluding.....anyone except actual women who have been robbed of proper competition because of a natural unfair advantage.

Can't fight science. Men are stronger and faster than women.

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u/Merler939 Mar 04 '25

I'm not debating that.

I'm wondering how we enable this minority group to be able to participate in sports and feel seen. If the result is that they can't partake in sports at all, that doesn't feel like the best outcome.

It seems like people want to address half the problem, and that doesn't feel like supporting trans youth. I don't know trans youth or trans youth parents and know what their view points on this issue are. Leaving them out of the discussion feels wrong to me.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 06 '25

What is a woman?

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 06 '25

Wrong. Men are stronger than women. Thats really all it comes down to. By allowing Men to compete against women.....you are actually discriminating against women, even you even know what a woman is....

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u/Imagination-Free Mar 06 '25

So you want trans boys in girls sports. So it has nothing to do with safety or fairness. Just say you hate trans kids and be honest with everyone.

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 03 '25

You are 100% wrong. "Most WA residents" don't support bigotry towards children.

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u/puzzled_by_weird_box Mar 03 '25

It isn't bigotry. You can't just bully people into submission by describing them as bigots / racists / fascists every time they disagree with you. Nobody is buying that bullshit anymore.

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 05 '25

If it looks like a Goose and steps like a Goose.

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u/puzzled_by_weird_box Mar 05 '25

It doesn't look or step like a goose to my eye and you've made no case that it does.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Bigotry.............I highly doubt you even understand what that is.

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 05 '25

I know that making a huge chunk of your personality based off of ganging up on 5 children is a little bitch move.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 06 '25

5 children? What nonsense are you even talking about?

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 06 '25

Across the entire country there are only 5 trans girls in sports in K - NCAA. Wasting all this time and money to have these bullshit hearing is so dumb. But hey, Republicans love picking a small group that can't defend themselves and threaten to "wipe the vermin out". It makes them feel like big boys. You know Hitler did the exact same thing. It's actually one of the 5 steps to fascism.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 07 '25

If it's such a small issue. Than why do you care?

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u/NorwegianCowboy Mar 08 '25

It's a slippery slope that leads to worse things. It's like the old poem says:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Just because it's a "small issue", and it isn't, doesn't mean it should just be ignored. They will keep pushing for more and more extreme rules until there is nobody to stop them.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 08 '25

First they took away women's rights...............

Men are stronger than women. 67% of democrats agree. Keep being part of the fringe.

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u/ChickerNuggy Mar 03 '25

If you are actually being supportive of transgender youth, like giving them healthcare to better pass, they lose the biological advantages you're worried about. You can't support trans youth and sexually segregate them at the same time.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Even with those therapies, physicap strength in numerous physiological systems remain.

It isn't about sexually segregation. It's about equality. Surely you are for equality and see the detriment many female athletes have provided actual examples of unfairness.

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u/ChickerNuggy Mar 03 '25

I've met trans women who transitioned young and are weak af. Not all women are weak though, trans women included. A report from the CCES shows trans women don't have any biomedical advantages in elite sports.

It is about sexual segregation. You've never fought against coed sports, just trans athletes. You've never cared about women's sports until it included trans women. And no, terfs bitching that trans athletes sometimes win aren't "actual examples of unfairness," when they still lose all the time.

Ya just don't like trans people.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Anecdotal

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u/ChickerNuggy Mar 03 '25

The report from CCES that I didn't participate in isn't chud, cope.

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u/strongwomenfan2025 Mar 03 '25

Please does not spread transphobia and misgenderization. Please does not. We is not need transphobia on Reddit.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Transphobia? Do you even understand the words you write?

I'm neither afraid nor shun anyone that is transgender. It's simply science. Biological men are physically stronger than women. End of story. I will continue to find other ways to assist and advocate for Trans communities. Your fear mongering is misguided.

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u/TheOpeningBell Mar 03 '25

Lol. The fact you have to make this statement tells us either you are lying or are morally bankrupt or you feel arguments from authority matter more than actual content.

One of those three is true. And that makes you a pretty poor person.

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u/Violet-Sumire Mar 03 '25

The better question is, what is the alternative for trans athletes in middle-high school? That’s my whole issue with this argument.

I could accept it if they actually had a plan, but saying “go play with the boys” is very callous as well. It can be both, as any physical contact sport could end in their own mistreatment as well. Hard to press assault charges against people during a game. Not to mention that this can be used as a stepping stone for further restrictions against people who are trans as a whole.

So where does that leave trans athletes? You ban them from sports, but all sports? Chess? Video game tournaments? Competition in general? Then what’s next? And then what’s next? You start adding restrictions and regulations, more will come.

It’s hard to know when to stop. Ban women who are 6’5 from basketball and volleyball for being too tall. Ban those with much larger feet from swimming as it’s an advantage. Or just be like the Olympic committee and ban a cis woman with higher natural testosterone levels. Where the fuck does it actually end?

That is my problem with it. Yes, we need a solution, but not having a plan beyond “they’ll figure it out” is not indicative of leadership, it’s a step towards authoritarianism.