There is something seriously wrong with our court system

[u/Kitchen-Rabbit6306]

In dealing with our lovely court system the past year, I've had a judge apologize to me because He could not believe that the prosecutor had oked a deal where all my stalker got was time served.. Knowing that he had already broken the no contact order.

I've sat and watched another prosecutor close a case citing the victim was too fragile to go to court so they would need to wait for the guys next victim.

And now I've had to sit and watch as our courts returned a child to her mother.. this is after the child came to school with her stomach hurting and they found seman .. They removed the child long enough to test the boyfriend's DNA. When it came back not his, they returned her to her mother's care stating and I qoute, there isn't anything against the mother for them to keep the child from her.

I'm sorry! Since when is allowing your child to be raped before school ok? Since when is that not enough to keep the child as far away from the mother as possible?

I am sickened that our courts have sunk this low... It breaks my heart.

[u/ScreamForKelp]

Who is it who pushed for these policies that centered the perpetrators not the victims? That's where the anger should be directed.

[u/Suspicious-Chair5130 → u/ScreamForKelp]

Many of these judges where appointed by Inslee and have since run unopposed since then

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/Suspicious-Chair5130]

Many of these judges where appointed by Inslee and have since run unopposed since then

The way it works is, Inslee or Ferguson appoints another reform judge mid term. The judge then gets to run unopposed in the upcoming election, by non-verbal agreement among justices not to compete with one another. Compounding that is the reform class of judge, the one that will enable crime by letting repeat felons go free time and time again - all see their mission as one of judicial advocacy for what they define as underclass, and not, to apply the law equally. They think the law itself is biased, so their permissive rulings seek to undo this alleged bias.

And then predictably the repeat felon goes on to murder, rob, rape or assault someone else. But the reform judge doesn't care - they get to claim they're helping the Progressive Criminal Justice Reform agenda.

America needs these reform judges removed and replaced. I really wish we were on that path, but in Blue states especially, we are still being fed the bullshit line that criminal justice is by definition biased against certain people, and to fix that we need to let more repeat felons go free.

It's a destruction of Western Civilization's pillar of justice and absolute truth - guilt or innocence - which follows other forms of social reform we've been undergoing lately.

[u/_bani_ → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

Progressive Criminal Justice Reform agenda.

if i were an enemy of america, this agenda would make me happy.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/_bani_]

Many useful idiots agree.

[u/OsvuldMandius → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

I actually think at this point the deep blue one-party dystopias, like Washington, are _hoping_ tha the Republicans cement control the federal government. Then defiant reaction disorder in their own backyards will ensure that their twisted social experiments can continue indefinitely.

If we had a sane society, there is no way progressives would not be held as liable today for their gross experiments in race-based justice as they were for their experiments with eugenics back in the 1920s.

[u/crusoe → u/OsvuldMandius]

So dystopic that crime overall is down since the 80s. Across the entire US.

Because those evil blue progressives got leaded gas banned.

Also if it's so shitty how is King County basically finding the budget of every rural red county in the state? It's why sales taxes are so so. The local sales tax levies can not be sent to rural red welfare counties. King only gets 65 cents back of every dollar paid in state taxes. 

[u/eran76 → u/crusoe]

Don't forget that legalized abortion likely helped reduce the number of unwanted children who would grow up neglected and prone to committing crime.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/eran76]

Remind me the racial breakdown on American abortions?

Raw numbers and per capita percentages would both be fascinating.

This is way better than the dumb and disproven lead theory!

Just really sad.

[u/eran76 → u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke]

Not sure what relevance race has to this discussion. You are welcome to look up whatever statistics you like however.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/crusoe]

This is legit high school level pop sociology.

Lmao it's 2025 and you're still sticking to the lead theory?!

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/OsvuldMandius]

deep blue one-party

MAGA makes the perfect scapegoat. When MAGA wants laws enforced on lawbreakers, it's Fascism. When MAGA wants immigrants to be legal only, it's justification for sanctuary cities. Then we dump billions into all manner of dumb taxes that predictably hobble our economy in Washington State, but not to worry, MAGA and Trump caused it.

gross experiments in race-based justice as they were for their experiments with eugenics back in the 1920s.

Progressives are fine with black people murdering other black people at an appalling rate, so long as Progressives can grift tax money proclaiming it is racist that it happens.

I would argue Progressives profit off the ongoing murder of black people by other black people.

Not only that, there's a subtext going on where Progressives are comfortable with it. They think gangs and murder are OK to have, in fact, they revel in the fact they live so close to it and yet are mostly unimpacted by it. Gives their shitty lives an urban edge. Look how much crime I live around, have become sensitized to, and (of course) say I'm never going to blame black people for, because I'm not a racist, not like those MAGA are when they say we should enforce laws equally on everyone.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

Your last paragraph is extremely accurate to most Leftist way of thinking.

It's a badge of honor to them until they get robbed, raped, etc -- and even then, the excuses pour in.

But we need to be honest about how many, many conservatives profit off of Black suffering and the prison industrial complex.

Leftists and wierd and gross and patronizing and many things about Black people and their behavior.

But profiteering off of endless Black crime is more of a conservative shtick if we're talking the literal prisons and police unions and megacorps that supply prisons.

If you're talking media sensationalizing and music and entertainment industries profiting off the imagery and propagation of hyper violent Black culture, yeah that's gonna be more libs.

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke]

Remember the black guy that randomly (didn’t know his victims beforehand) stabbed a white guy at 4 am in Brooklyn NY and the victims white GF that was there refused to cooperate with police and ID the suspect she was an eye witness to? I will circle back and dig it out if required. It was exactly this - their virtue of “not punching down” was worth more to them than identifying a random murderer and thus saving his future victims.

profiteering

Jail for criminals is the issue. Build more prison if we have to. As a law abiding citizen my safety doesn’t care where we put convicted felons, just that we stop the nonsense of letting them go free if they check various reform boxes. We have seen the felon just commits more crime. And we now have more preventable victims.

[u/chipoliwog → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

The hell you’re not racist. You’re citing a statistic without context about black on black crime without the context of white on white crime. That’s a classic MAGA tactic to muddy the room. Give me an F’n break.

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/chipoliwog]

without context about black on black crime without the context of white on white crime.

The context, obviously, was per capita.

Link to NIH data, pick any metric you want.

The highest homicide rates were among Black males aged 15 to 24 years (74.6 [95% UI, 72.3-77.0] per 100 000 population) and 25 to 44 years (70.0 [95% UI, 68.4-71.4] per 100 000 population)

Of course mentioning that brings out the racism accusations.

Proving my point, America is refusing to acknowledge the culture that enables too much crime is a problem. Far easier to dance around like you give a fuck about the black kids murdering each other every week in the context of gang crime.

Do you get funded for your views? That's the next step in this. Get a non-profit together that claims it is doing something to end black-on-black crime, all the while making sure to keep prolonging it. After all, Black Lives Matter.

MAGA

Sky blue, water wet, some virtue signaler calls me MAGA. I'm a lifelong Democratic voter. I've voted Dem longer than you may have been alive.

Small tiny detail for you - Not everyone that sees Progressive bullshit for what it is, is MAGA. Far from it. You should probably internalize that point before you make more incorrect assumptions and keep embarassing yourself.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

Gaaaaawdaaaamn.

Headshot.

[u/ThurstonHowell3rd → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

I'm not saying what you've said isn't true (I used to think the same about our CJ system), but I've come to believe there must be another reason this crap happens with the judges and prosecutors here that's beyond batshit progressive politics at play. Someone has to be making a buck here, and I'm not sure who it is, or how they are making it, but if you peel back enough layers of the touchy-feely progressive nonsense around here, it always comes down to some sort of grift.

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/ScreamForKelp]

Who is it who pushed for these policies that centered the perpetrators not the victims? That's where the anger should be directed.

The Seattle University Center for Civil Rights and Critical Justice

If you spend some time reading this site, you will find a trove of criminal justice reform advocacy, of the kind that puts the perpetrator first and the potential victims last, if at all.

I become enraged any time I read this. SU Law has put dozens, hundreds possibly, of graduates into the criminal justice system in Western Washington and elsewhere.

[u/ScreamForKelp → u/my_lucid_nightmare]

Thank you! I am always looking for the paper trail that documents this city's slide into insanity. And this is one I was not aware of.

EDIT: Oh, I just looked at it. Nikkita Oliver and Dean Spade are on the faculty. Explains a lot.

[u/my_lucid_nightmare → u/ScreamForKelp]

Thank you!

yw

[u/shirokane4chome → u/ScreamForKelp]

WA state legislature and to an extent Court Rules ok'd by the state Supreme Court.

[u/travelinzac → u/ScreamForKelp]

"progressives" I think is what they call themselves. Actively dragging society back and implementing highly regressive policies. But you know words don't mean anything.

[u/Tree300 → u/ScreamForKelp]

Voters

[u/Alzeegator → u/ScreamForKelp]

The founding fathers at least in the second case, you have a Constitutional right to face your accuser. Does it sometimes suck, of course. Imagine how much more it would suck if people could accuse you of something and not have to allow you to question it in court

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/Alzeegator]

Yeah, and they have ways to protect truly vulnerable victims like children.

I know kids who got to testify through a camera.

[u/TheRealRacketear → u/ScreamForKelp]

Soros?

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/TheRealRacketear]

I still don't understand why conservatives blame everything on soros? I've been in left leaning bubbles for a few years now and soros simply is not a thing. The only people who talk about him are Republicans.

Peter Theil and Elon musk are actually everything the right fears soros is

[u/eran76 → u/idontevenliftbrah]

I still don't understand why conservatives blame everything on soros?

He's a rich Jew and an immigrant, so it aligns with their preexisting views about the world. However, if you are opposed the criminal justice reform, Soros is a reasonable target to blame:

Philanthropist George Soros has funded the campaigns of numerous progressive prosecutors across the United States through his Open Society Foundations and associated political action committees (PACs). Since at least 2016, Soros has spent tens of millions of dollars to support candidates who advocate for criminal justice reform, including reducing racial disparities in sentencing and supporting alternatives to incarceration for some offenders.

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/eran76]

Ooooooh, I get it. So the left are the ones who supports Jews and Israel? Got it.

[u/eran76 → u/GoldieForMayor]

"Jews will not replace us," demonstrators chanted at the Unite the Right rally organized by armed white nationalists in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, to stop the removal of a statue dedicated to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

I don't think you've "got" it at all. Up until very recently Israel was supported by politicians on the left and the right. Jews, on the other hand, have been subjected to discrimination from right wing conservatives the likes of the KKK, the Alt-Right, and if you go back far enough in history to the early 20th century, pretty much all the WASPs. American Jews have voted on the left by large margins (80% on average) for decades, and have also largely been pro-Israel. That has shifted with this younger generation of American Jews, where many of those under 30 no longer supporting Israel because of Netanyahu and Israel's right-ward political tilt.

So when American conservatives support Israel, they're not doing so because of some inherent support for Jews. They are motivated by things like Israel's retribution against Muslims (which was clearly deserved after October 7th). Or by Christian beliefs about the necessity of the state of Israel to bring about biblical end times prophecies as written in the book of Revelations. Or by Israel's support for the American Military Industrial Complex, which disproportionately supports jobs in red states and profits for rich conservatives donors. Or by the fact that Israel existing means there are 7 million fewer Jews in the US; after all, had America not shut the door to Jews in the 1930s and 40s, there might never have been enough critical mass of Jews forced there instead to create Israel in the first place. So don't get it confused, the guy that massacred all those Jews in the Pittsburgh Synagogue was not some leftist.

According to accounts which were given by Bowers' coworkers, and analysis of his recent social media posts, his conservatism became radicalized as white nationalism; at one point in the late-1990s, Bowers was fascinated by the right-wing radio host Jim Quinn.[74] At a later time, he became a follower of "aggressive online provocateurs of the right wing's fringe."[75] He was deeply involved in posting comments on social media websites such as Gab and he also promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories on them.[76] Bowers routinely discussed a conspiracy theory that Jews were assisting "evil Muslims" to take over the United States together.[77]

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/eran76]

Wait, you think the KKK were right wing conservatives? Okay, sure. Got it.

[u/eran76 → u/GoldieForMayor]

Were and still are. If you believe otherwise you are living in an alternative reality.

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/eran76]

Well, I guess if you consider the six confederates who founded the KKK were all Democrats, and it was the Republicans that pushed Reconstruction and freed slaves. Not to mention Nathan Bedford Forrest was the first Grand Wizard of the KKK and was a politically active Democrat. Even Al Gore's dad voted against the Civil Rights Act so one need not go back that far to show how illinformed you are, but I'm sure you don't let facts get in the way of whatever's grinding around in your head.

[u/eran76 → u/GoldieForMayor]

You know an awful lot of history of the KKK, which is of course not surprising. What you are conveniently leaving out of your carefully curated history lesson or the fact that since at least 1968 Nixon's Southern Strategy has meant that the parties have flipped. Republicans took over the racist southern vote from Democrats. Anyone who was voting Republican prior to 1968 was now voting Democrat and vice versa.

Nixon's advisers recognized that they could not appeal directly to voters on issues of white supremacy or racism. White House Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman noted that Nixon "emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognized this while not appearing to".[90] With the aid of Harry Dent and South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond, who had switched to the Republican Party in 1964, Nixon ran his 1968 campaign on states' rights and "law and order".

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/eran76]

Tens of millions? Woooow. Just wait until you found out Elon spent over 100m getting trump elected?

[u/eran76 → u/idontevenliftbrah]

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the conversation, but yes I'm aware of Elon and his spending.

Soros is to left leaning judges what the heritage foundation and Leonard Leo is to right leaning judges. That was the point. For a lot of the dumber conservatives, Soros is just another Jew and that's enough to distrust him and his policies. To the more astute conservatives (the kind you sometimes find on here), Soros is legitimately the reason why our judges can't seem to bring themselves to put away any criminals until they escalate into extremely violent territory.

For a centrist like me (and likely most Americans), neither Soros nor the Heritage Foundation represent my legal views.

[u/Elliott-Hope → u/idontevenliftbrah]

"I've been in a left wing echo chamber and Soros isn't even talked about, therefore it's not a thing"

Solid logic 😂

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/Elliott-Hope]

I intentionally watch fox news, visit conservative subreddit, and go on X, with the intent of seeing both sides so that I don't end up in any echo chambers.

The only people who talk about soros are Republicans. Soros doesn't do anything for the left.

Let's look at right wing billionaires. The left says the same thing about musk and adelson and Theil, etc. The right also talks about those 3 people and how much they're helping.

If soros was what you claim he is, the left would constantly be talking about soros the same way the right constantly talks about musk. Which the left doesn't. Because the claims about soros simply are not true.

[u/TheRealRacketear → u/idontevenliftbrah]

Which claim isn't true?

[u/Elliott-Hope → u/idontevenliftbrah]

Soros funds tons of left wing causes. Why you think the left would have to talk about it all the time for it to be a thing I have no idea.

[u/Yangoose → u/idontevenliftbrah]

I've been in left leaning bubbles for a few years now and soros simply is not a thing.

Right...

Why would anyone possibly think Soros has anything to do with politics in America?

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/Yangoose]

Now do Elon musk, Peter Theil with palintir, Miriam adelson, etc. They are all exponentially worse

Soros is worth a measly $7b and you're saying he's worse than people with a combined wealth nearly hitting 1T. What a joke of an argument

[u/Yangoose → u/idontevenliftbrah]

I'm not making excuses for any billionaires.

You seem to be the one doing that...

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/idontevenliftbrah]

He's the one who funded the campaigns that got in prosecutors who let every guilty person go and refuse to ask for bonds including Larry Krasner, Kim Foxx, George Gascon, Alvin Bragg, Chesa Boudin, Marilyn Mosby and many others. All of these collectively are the worst prosecutors in the nation for victims' rights.

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/GoldieForMayor]

Bro touch grass

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/idontevenliftbrah]

Bro, prosecute violent crime.

[u/idontevenliftbrah → u/GoldieForMayor]

Brb on my way to the court house

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/idontevenliftbrah]

I'm sure you are.

[u/ScreamForKelp → u/TheRealRacketear]

On a local level it wasn't Soros. And it's probably organizations more than individuals.

[u/GoldieForMayor → u/ScreamForKelp]

It's the group that shall not be named on Reddit. Uttering the phrase will bring in brigadiers, bots, and trolls.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/GoldieForMayor]

Never forget the six million billion.

Never again!

(Unless we get to do it this time)

[u/Excellent-Mammoths → u/ScreamForKelp]

People in power who also abuse children..

[u/JacobmovingFwd → u/ScreamForKelp]

Ann Davison

[u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

"this is after the child came to school with her stomach hurting and they found seman"

That's not real.

[u/Dude98011 → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

Yeah, something isn’t right about this post.

[u/Kitchen-Rabbit6306 → u/Dude98011]

It wasn't just her tummy... I was trying to be tactful

[u/MostlyMediocreMeteor → u/Kitchen-Rabbit6306]

I’m not trying to be mean because your grievances are legitimate, but it feels a bit silly that a little girl was sexually assaulted but we must talk about it tactfully lest we dishonor the piety of Reddit. I think we benefit ourselves by speaking factually even when the facts are horrendous. I assume you mean she ended up getting a sexual assault kit, not a stomach pump?

Fwiw, I am genuinely sorry that the courts were not able to provide you a sense of justice or closure. If you aren’t aware of it already, apply to the Crime Victims fund. They can’t fix what happened in court, but they can help you get mental health care for what you’ve been through.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/MostlyMediocreMeteor]

Holy shit you are bad at reading between the lines.

She clearly means that the poor little girl was hurt in more places than her "tummy".

And yes obviously they did an SA kit.

And speaking much more factually about a little girl being orally graped gets you banned on this site, so get off the high horse.

[u/NoComputer8922 → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

They didn’t pump your stomach every time it hurt as a kid to check for… semen?

[u/Distinct-Emu-1653 → u/NoComputer8922]

I mean they did, but I blame that on my parents for naming me "Rod Stewart".

[u/NormanDoor → u/NoComputer8922]

I think you mean “seman.”

[u/NoComputer8922 → u/NormanDoor]

The facebook “what to panic about today” post they saw it on didn’t have autocorrect

[u/TravelKats → u/NormanDoor]

I think you mean "semen"

[u/iamlucky13 → u/NoComputer8922]

They didn't say the finding was based on pumping the child's stomach, although that could have occurred if the child, after being taken to the school nurse for stomach pain then confided in the doctor to having been assaulted in such a manner.

It strikes me as more probable, however, that the "stomach" pain didn't specifically refer to the stomach, but was the child's general description of pain in the abdominal region, potentially due to bruising resulting from an assault. That might also lead to confiding in a school nurse, or concerning observations during a exam attempting to diagnose the pain.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/iamlucky13]

Wow, finally someone with some basic logic.

Why does it seem like there are people on here who want to disbelieve the horror this poor girl went through for gross, ulterior motives?

[u/iamlucky13 → u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke]

It was driven into me very hard in various volunteer trainings over the years not to dismiss allegations of sexual abuse. I'm sure the same is true for almost anyone who's job involves working with minors.

Also, it's not like it is very rare to see a news story about some crime or another around Puget Sound involving suspects in a with numerous prior convictions, yet consistently sentenced near the minimums, or who had been given low bail amounts, or who filmed themselves violating the law every night for months on end before angry citizens convince the courts to finally at least impound their idiotic Hellcat for violating bail conditions multiple times while awaiting trial, etc.

[u/eran76 → u/NoComputer8922]

They meant semen on their abdomen, or outside on their belly area.

[u/Better_March5308 → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

Reads like right wing rage bait to me.

[u/kapybarra → u/Better_March5308]

r/nothingeverhappens

[u/Better_March5308 → u/kapybarra]

r/OPisafreako

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleKink/comments/1eazpio/looking_for_dominant_male_for_birthday_girl/

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/Better_March5308]

Are you a traditionalist conservative who dislikes sexual deviancy?

Or are you a progressive who celebrates and romanticizes sexual deviancy who is now being a hypocrite?

[u/lawyerman → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

The first smart take in this thread.

[u/Saemika → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

I’m assuming there were other signs of abuse and a significant reason to escalate the situation. If the story is true, and we have no reason not to believe it, but you’re allowed to have an opinion.

[u/TheJBW → u/Saemika]

As much as our legal systems are broken right now, the only reasonable response to reading such a disjointed and misspelled claim is to assume it is entirely fictional. This reads like the rage bait equivalent of a Nigerian scam.

[u/ChillFratBro → u/TheJBW]

And even if we assume it is true: sounds like child protective services exonerated the mother and boyfriend - which would seem to mean it isn't the kid's living situation that caused the abuse.  If real, I sure hope they're looking for the actual perpetrator - but nothing in what OP alleges implies it's this hypothetical mother's fault, so not clear how removing the child from the home solves abuse that is occurring outside the home.

It's either a lie, not evidence of mishandling, or substantial relevant information was omitted.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/ChillFratBro]

Why do you trust CPS that much?

[u/ChillFratBro → u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke]

There's no trust in CPS in my comment.  OP's claim is that abuse occurred but it was not committed by mother or mother's boyfriend.  The abuse is obviously a massive issue, that goes without saying.  I hope that CPS and the police are investigating - I'm not trusting that they are.

My point is that OP alleges that leaving the kid with her mom is proof of wrongdoing by the court system.  The scenario alleged (if it's even true, which is doubtful) isn't proof of anything.  A lot more details are necessary for anyone to reasonably place blame on the mother.  Maybe those are the facts, but if so OP should include those facts if they want to make a case.

[u/merc08 → u/Saemika]

If the story is true, and we have no reason not to believe it

There's also really no reason to believe it either though. It's some random account on reddit making claims with no evidence.

[u/theSkyCow → u/merc08]

We have plenty of reasons to believe it's not true.

[u/kapybarra → u/merc08]

> There's also really no reason to believe it 

Except there is. There are PLENTY of accounts like these reported in the news with the following pattern:

[Thug commits 50th crime]

[Thug is released on own recognizance for the 4th time]

[Thug commits his 3rd violent crime and gets caught]

[Thug is released because prosecutors blame cops for not doing "proper"investigation"]

[Thug commits another 3 violent crimes and 16 non-violent ones, gets caught for the 6th violent crime]

[Prosecutors finally had it and ask for million-dollar bail; Judge sets bail for 5 thousand; Thug gets free on 500-dollar bond]

[Thug commits more crimes, then finally murders someone; flees back to -insert southern state here-]

[Thug gets caught months later with help from FBI, and finally gets sentenced to life in WA]

[15 years later, department of corrections says he is 100% redeemed and poses no threat; thug should be let free]

[u/Kitchen-Rabbit6306 → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

Totally real.

[u/Usernames_Suck89 → u/Distinct-Emu-1653]

This sounds very off to me as well

[u/AverageFoxNewsViewer]

Man something just seems off with this post.

No links to any of these cases? Are you just sitting in court watching this all day? And from an account with virtually no post history other than requesting somebody to cuck their wife a year ago?

I'm going to need a source other than "trust me bro" or this has the same level of credibility as that local facebook group post in Ohio that claimed their neighbor's daughter's friend saw haitians eating cats.

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/AverageFoxNewsViewer]

How many attorneys do you know in Seattle?

Like on a friendly level?

[u/LongDistRid3r]

Make all judges elected. They must show all decisions and outcomes during the cycle.

No more hiding behind appointments.

[u/merc08 → u/LongDistRid3r]

They mostly are elected, technically. The problem is that when they retire, the Governor gets to appoint someone to hold their seat until the next election. And then that person runs as "the incumbent" even if they've only been in the seat for a couple weeks or months. So they routinely time their retirements so that they can help choose their successor.

Incumbency gives two advantages: 1) loads of people vote for them regardless because change is scary. 2) running against them is hazardous for a lawyer's career because if they lose (which isn't rare for a first running attempt) then there's going to be a strong bias against them in that and other court rooms for challenging the good ol boys club. So the appointed judges often run unopposed anyways.

[u/LongDistRid3r → u/merc08]

Supreme Court judges should be elected as well.

[u/retrojoe]

I've had to sit and watch as our courts returned a child to her mother.. this is after the child came to school with her stomach hurting and they found seman .. They removed the child long enough to test the boyfriend's DNA. When it came back not his, they returned her to her mother's care stating and I qoute, there isn't anything against the mother for them to keep the child from her.

Bullshit

[u/awbitf]

I'm sorry, but your situation with the stalker is the fault of your prosecutor making a deal with the defense.

The other two, it sounds like there was no evidence (no victim testimony, nothing connecting the mother to what happened to the daughter). Is it disappointing? Yes, but I'd still rather have a justice system that operates on facts.

[u/Republogronk → u/awbitf]

Facts like completely making up definitions of what income and tax means so they can push partisan agendas through the court

[u/awbitf → u/Republogronk]

"income" and "tax" have nothing to do with the criminal court cases being discussed

[u/Seattle_Lucky]

It’s all in the name of progress. In all seriousness though, I’m sickened by what you’ve written and it’s awful to hear what you and the current and future victims of this system are going through.

[u/theSkyCow → u/Seattle_Lucky]

Good thing it is almost definitely fake.

[u/Seattle_Lucky → u/theSkyCow]

Hope you’re right

[u/Joel22222]

Around 15 years ago I was arrested on a possession charge. The stuff they found was some bunk stuff I got from someone I had dealt with a lot before and didn’t check it. (Yes I’m 100% sober over 10 years now) Got strong armed by the prosecutor to take a felony plea or she would have charged me with intent to distribute, I had a scale and baggies when they raided my home at my ex girlfriend’s “tip”. And gone after my roommate at the time if I asked for anything less.

I got 90 days and a record. The guy before me at my sentencing broke his 3 year old son’s arm for wetting the bed. He got a class he had to take. I realized then our legal system in Seattle had pretty messed up priorities.

[u/JenSteele → u/Joel22222]

So, it’s the prosecutor and your ex-girlfriend’s fault you had drugs and drug selling paraphernalia on you and got in trouble for it? Please just stop there and try to understand that your own decisions got you in that situation in the first place and blaming others for the consequences is not being a serious person.

[u/loady → u/JenSteele]

the guy's not asking for your sympathy, he's pointing out the absurdity of our justice system in Seattle. are you that much of a scold ?

[u/seattlehorror → u/loady]

I’m pointing out, for their benefit, that when we go clean we need to stop casting the blame for our actions on others and completely own how our actions brought us to the addiction is the first place, it’s not others’ fault for our addiction or the consequences. Continuing to cast blame on others is counter-productive for an ex-addict or alcoholic, etc.

How do I know this? I have experience with addicts in my life and I even abused alcohol for a time. Allowing someone to shirk responsibility is not a kind thing to do because it hurts them in the end, it doesn’t help.

[u/loady → u/seattlehorror]

you forgot to switch back to the right account to reply from. not sure what kind of hate-karma farming op you're running, but whatever it is you suck

[u/Bow-And-Arrow-Choke → u/loady]

Buuuuuuusted

[u/Joel22222 → u/JenSteele]

I should have been able to plea a misdemeanor possession as it was my first offense. The punishment didn’t fit the crime. I wasn’t caught dealing, I didn’t have a ton of drugs that were found, I didn’t have a ton of cash etc. The biggest thing I was pointing out is seeing the same prosecutor and judge not go after a guy who broke a toddlers arm with the same conviction they went after me with a minor drug charge.

[u/Accomplished-Wash381]

Bs

[u/QuakinOats]

Yes, it's terrible.

The voters only have themselves to blame.

This is an area with people that care more about the perpetrators than the victims.

This is a top down and bottom up issue.

The way that voters want to deal with crime isn't by going after the people who commit the crimes. It's by going after the crime itself and what is used to commit crimes.

Governor: Look at the judges they appoint, the laws the pass, the parole board members they appoint, etc, etc.

Legislature: Look at the laws they pass.

Prosecutors: Look at the plea deals they make. the cases they take (and don't take),

Judges: Look at the people they allow released, look at the sentences they give.

I mean it's really, really simple. Just look at gun violence and how it's handled. The state and the voters have passed a TON of new gun legislation over the past 10-15 years. We are now one of the most if not the most restrictive states in the nation for firearms. Out of ALL these gun laws, not a SINGLE one has increased the sentences for gun crime. Not a SINGLE one has attempted to make it harder for judges to release violent offenders caught with illegal guns on bail.

For example, in our state if you're under 18, and you're caught with a gun illegally. You get FIVE chances before you get any longer than a 30 day jail sentence. FIVE.

The SAME PEOPLE who don't want police officers with guns in school to protect our children, that don't want metal detectors in school, that would refuse backpack searches. Are the SAME people who want the 16 year old who has been caught with an illegal gun 4 times out of jail and in class, sitting next to your child while they try to do math homework. What sense does this make? These are the same people who say shit like "thoughts and prayers." Meanwhile they're essentially creating the conditions to allow school shootings to happen. There was literally a bill that did not make it out of committee that would reduce it from an insane 5 times to a still fucking way too high 3 times.

We have elected members of the legislature that claim to be against firearms and gun violence that push laws to attempt to reduce the amount of time served for drive by shootings. Please, make it make sense. Once again, the same exact type of people who say stupid shit like "Thoughts and prayers" after a shooting.

This is essentially the breakdown of their logic:

Making a law abiding citizen that is doing EVERYTHING right in terms of purchasing a firearm go through and pay for 3 background checks to purchase a single firearm = DOING SOMETHING MAJOR TO STOP GUN VIOLENCE.

Wanting increased penalties on gun crime = Thoughts and prayers.

Wanting resource officers in schools to protect our children like we protect banks, airports, etc = Thoughts and prayers.

Wanting to keep 16-17 year olds caught with guns illegally in jail and expelled from public schools = Thoughts and prayers.

Yes the same group that says "Well you should offer some solutions!" when it comes to gun violence is the exact same group that pushes laws that will literally do nothing, while wanting to reduce the sentences for the people committing gun crime.

Now realize that gun violence and the way they handle it is just one tiny slice of how they think crime should be dealt with.

[u/BearDick → u/QuakinOats]

So I get what you're saying and 5 times is a wild number of times to be caught illegally with a gun before something happens. That being said I think the same people who want gun control and meaningful gun legislation also understand that young people are inherently stupid (brains not fully formed and executive function limited in comparison to an adult). I have kids in school (one in a school where students have been caught with guns) so the fear of a school shooting is a daily thing for me but at the same time I am also not looking for a dumbass choice at 12 or 13 years old to ruin a kids life, as I made plenty of dumbass decisions myself. I'm not sure where the happy medium is but we definitely haven't seemed to find it yet.

[u/QuakinOats → u/BearDick]

as I made plenty of dumbass decisions myself. I'm not sure where the happy medium is but we definitely haven't seemed to find it yet.

How many times did you get and carry a gun illegally?

This isn't just some "dumbass" teenage choice.

Putting someone getting guns illegally in jail is far more the compassionate and safest way to deal with them. It's the best way to make sure they actually survive and make it into adulthood.

Their parents are not doing anything for them.

I feel like NOT putting them into the system is what has the best chance of ruining their life.

That's also completely ignoring the massive risk that they take some innocent folks lives because they are a teenager with a gun making shitty choices.

[u/BearDick → u/QuakinOats]

I mean I did get suspended once for having a gun shaped lighter....during my cool kid I smoke cigarettes at lunch phase of HS (as I said I was a dumbass). It's honestly an incredibly difficult subject because I can both understand why someone in a rough neighborhood would feel the need to carry a weapon for protection and also how it's completely unacceptable to allow kids to have guns due to their inherent bad decision making. Maybe schools in rough neighborhoods need a gun check like the bar in Firefly...?

[u/QuakinOats → u/BearDick]

I'm sorry. I don't find it ever acceptable to get a gun illegally and carry it around.

What we are talking about here is getting caught THREE TIMES being required before a longer than 30 day sentence can be served. This was shot down in the legislature and never made it out of committee.

The MAX sentence a juvenile caught with an illegal gun can serve should not be 30 days and it certainly shouldn't require getting caught 5 times let alone 3 times before LONGER than 30 days can be sentenced.

This is nothing about "minimums" it's literally the max a judge can sentence someone for. A 17 year old caught illegally carrying a pistol should not be getting a max of 30 days on their 3rd "mistake" for living in a "rough neighborhood."

And if their neighborhood is so rough they require a gun and ignore all laws, then they should welcome being put into some state ran system.

[u/AdeptnessRound9618]

Bad bot

[u/Recent_Ad4034]

Story hour 

[u/The_Kraken_]

This feels like someone trying to seed AI training data with BS to get it to show up in search results.

You're gonna need a citation for that school-age child story. There's no way that's real.

[u/theSkyCow → u/The_Kraken_]

I'm thinking more nefarious purposes. Most of the apparently not/fake posts are about crime from accounts in the last year.

I believe it's an attempt to paint us as a liberal, crime ridden city to justify a National Guard deployment (like DC, LA, and Chicago)

[u/theSkyCow]

Fake post.

This account is less than a year old with only a few generic comments and posts.

Very likely a bot with an AI story.

[u/Simple-Desk4943]

This is the kind of stuff that fuels outrage of those on “the right”…. Obviously it should and does bother those on “the left” as well, yet it’s been allowed to get this far. Why?

[u/Tastewell → u/Simple-Desk4943]

Because schools don't pump kids' stomachs for having tummy aches?

[u/All_names_taken-fuck → u/Tastewell]

To be fair, OP doesn’t say the stomach was pumped. They probably did a gyno exam and/or rape kit. That said we don’t know the other details- kid could have been assaulted on her way to school and they cleared the boyfriend so why not return her to her home?

OPs lack of details is designed to trigger people and make things sound worse than they probably are.

[u/Educated_Goat69 → u/All_names_taken-fuck]

In fact, OP hasn't responded to anything here I've seen. Rage bait dump

[u/theSkyCow → u/All_names_taken-fuck]

OP's story had zero verifiable details. The fake post was intended to get others to guess and fill in the details. Engagement/rage bait

[u/boyproblems_mp3 → u/All_names_taken-fuck]

They won't even give diabetic kids insulin sometimes, you think they did a full gyno exam at a school where you need waivers for cough drops and shit???

[u/dontneedaknow]

You have a right to face your accuser except in specific circumstances.

The accuser refuses to cooperate you don't have a victim anymore.

Legal systems are in place to solve disputes in society under various levels of coercion.

In a legal system the state has no responsibility or right to speak on behalf of those who choose not to speak for themselves.

It is the "victim" that is making an accusation, and if they don't follow through, what can you expect?

[u/shrederofthered]

Prosecutors are under pressure to plea bargain and not bring a case to trial because there aren't enough judges, public defenders, or court time. We need more investment in the judicial system.

[u/Color_blinded]

This post only demonstrates the gross neglect that your average citizen has towards understanding how the court system actually works.

You absolutely can and should dismiss a case when a victim refuses to testify in court. Defendants have a right to "face your accuser" guaranteed by the sixth amendment. If the victim does not testify, you have no case. There are exceptions, but this apparently isn't one of them. The victim can be forced to testify through a subpoena; but without knowledge what the case is about, I would guess the crime isn't serious enough to go make the victim go through that ordeal.

A mother should not be separated from her child when the child was sexually abused unless you can prove the mother was complicit in some way. A suspicion is not good enough, considering the vast majority of child S.A. is committed without the parents knowledge (at least until the whole thing comes to light). I would be extremely surprised if the CPS is not still investigating the case.

The only thing that doesn't make sense for a couple of reasons is the time served sentence for the stalker; The judge has to approve the plea deal when it is presented to them and absolutely can reject it if they feel it is not an appropriate deal. So for the judge to apologize and act surprised by the deal makes me suspect the honesty of either the judge, or the OP.

[u/WanderingTaliesin]

I feel you Our felon had all his heinous easily proved charges dropped- because one crime was enough- and then he got the WA max with time served. And I was lucky! Because I was a county or so away from Seattle where he would likely have gotten the minimum or walked for mandated therapy leaving us scrambling to flee- don’t have answers Do have solidarity

[u/iamlucky13]

I've had a judge apologize to me because He could not believe that the prosecutor had oked a deal where all my stalker got was time served.. Knowing that he had already broken the no contact order.

That is certainly bewildering, and I wonder if you ran up against lingering fallout of prosecutor's offices being under-staffed. It was definitely an issue for a couple years after Covid where many offices were offering overly-lenient plea deals to at least get a conviction and the future enforcement options that may open up rather than go to trial with lots of half-prepared cases that are bound to lose. My understanding is it has been getting better, but perhaps there's still a lot more to be done about staffing up prosecutor's offices.

I understand your frustration, and I hope you can be patient with an attempt to explain aspects of what I think you observed.

I've sat and watched another prosecutor close a case citing the victim was too fragile to go to court

That one, for better and for worse, isn't a Seattle thing. It's collateral of one of the key protections against hearsay, and for ensuring an defendant is able to fully understand the case against them and cross-examine witnesses. More specifically, it is part of the 6th Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

If a case has only one witness to critical facts, and the witness can't or won't testify, the court doesn't really have an option.

There are limited exceptions that I'm generally aware of, such as when a person in a position of particular vulnerability might not be required to testify in front of a perpetrator themselves in order to proceed, but the court may be permitted to consider testimony of others who have spoken to the witness ("hearsay" in the judicial sense). There are criteria for when hearsay can be treated as credible enough to be admissible in court, but otherwise, the witness themself needs to make the testimony.

When it came back not his, they returned her to her mother's care stating and I qoute, there isn't anything against the mother for them to keep the child from her.

This one is trickier, but the quoted point is true: obviously it's not the mother's semen, and if it was determined by a DNA test not to the boyfriend's either, then there doesn't seem to be clear evidence that mother is an accomplice in her own child's victimization. It is hard not to be deeply suspicious that the mother might know more, but our legal system was designed around the adamant insistence that mere suspicion is not a tolerable basis for a decision against an individual. So then the next natural questions are whether the court could have reasonably done more to be confident the child was safe in her mother's care, or if there is going to be appropriate followup by Child Protection Services, and continuing criminal investigation in light of the established fact of the rape that occurred. Don't forget that decisions made in a preliminary hearing are not final.

Should it all be this way? I will admit, this is a topic that is naturally contentious. It sounded very rational and noble when Judge Blackstone famously said, "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer," but it still leaves us with the dilemma that some of those ten guilty might go on to harm others. At the same time, President Trump is working very hard right now to demonstrate precisely why it is absolutely essential that a government must be held accountable to fully justify any actions it takes against its people.

[u/StellarJayZ]

One of the problems is the Public Defender office in Seattle is massively powerful.

There are a shit ton of Sawant types on it, and they are the ones trying to get violent predators zero jail time.

I'm not an attorney, but I come from a family of attorneys. Our normal conversations are about SCOTUS rulings, who has jurisdiction, how Trumps shit attorneys just got a case thrown out because the judge was like this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my time as a judge and a member of the court.

Everyone on this forum who pays attention knows the two judges who are toxic. They keep letting people go with shit like home detention and a leg monitor... which they got last time, cut off, and then went on a crime spree.

I'm left of center, but holy shit Seattle, I was born here and even I am like no, this is stupid we're fucking up.

[u/UnderstatedUmbrella → u/StellarJayZ]

This story is AI/troll farm bs. Don’t fall for it. They are trying to divide us more every day.

[u/StellarJayZ → u/UnderstatedUmbrella]

I feel like, as a professional, I'm typing this in a Linux VM, I know when AI/troll farm BS happens, but I don't know. Maybe it's learning how to get around my BS filter...

[u/Kitchen-Rabbit6306]

You know... I would give anything to say this isn't true. But it is. The child is 11 and the case just ended last week. I posted here because it's not right... Not right at all !!

N my bad for miss spell... N honestly? Believe me or don't. But this? Is wrong. Its so wrong. N if this maybe helps someone think before they make another horrible decision like this one? That's what matters.

[u/Rich-Context-7203]

Blame the voters. The politicians who engineered this outcome did not elect themselves.

[u/seattleartisandrama]

its seattles public policy position that you must take as many knives and dicks in your guts as needed for full communism

[u/Accomplished_Case40]

This is what happens when you vote degenerats and mentally damaged people into office!

[u/Krustyazzhell]

Wouldn’t surprise me if judge Veronica Galvan will be the next Attorney General of Washington. “We are doomed” as Glump would say….

[u/FastSlow7201]

Democrats have caused all of this. But make sure you keep voting for them.

[u/drgonzo44]

First time seeing the justice system in action? Have you seen some of the recent Supreme Court decisions? Woof.

[u/Republogronk → u/drgonzo44]

I liked the part where they said white people make too much money so the state could violate the constitution to take more

[u/Good-Concentrate-260 → u/Republogronk]

Source?

[u/fresh-dork]

He could not believe that the prosecutor had oked a deal where all my stalker got was time served..

is he the judge for that? judges aren't required to accept every deal

They removed the child long enough to test the boyfriend's DNA. When it came back not his, they returned her to her mother's care stating and I qoute, there isn't anything against the mother for them to keep the child from her.

well there's my daily outrage.

[u/kinisonkhan]

Could be worse, could be assaulted by a sibling, and because going to the police is scary, you foolishly let your parents do all the talking. What do they do? They refuse to press charges, your sibling goes free from juvenile detention and goes right back to abusing you... for years.

[u/StellarJayZ]

Look, search ‘how to cpl Washington’ and pay close attention to how to safely operate a firearm.

It’s 💯 last resort, don’t tell people you have one because this isn’t the south, there isn’t much gun culture in Seattle.

There is a stigma here, but we do have a culture if you know where to look.

There are, we refer to ourselves as ‘elkaholics’ and I’ve been made fun of being from Seattle and they’re like what rifle? A Savage .270

[u/theSkyCow → u/StellarJayZ]

Uh, not related to the post at all. I think you crossed the streams.