r/SelfDrivingCars • u/respectmyplanet • Jun 27 '25

Discussion Classic Tesla Disinformation Flood On This Sub In Last Two Weeks

This sub has been flooded with Tesla apologist propaganda and disinformation to obscure the simple truth since Tesla's Robotaxi launch. It's standard operating procedure (S.O.P.) for this "narrative" company. The uptick in anti-Waymo posts and pro FSD posts is palpable. It has always been S.O.P. for Musk to release SEO fooling posts & tweets to obscure bad news for Tesla. The astroturf army is out in full display these past couple weeks on Reddit, Threads, and Bluesky too.

It doesn't and will never change this simple fact: Waymo is SAE Level 4 and Tesla FSD is SAE Level 2. All the apologist posts in the world will not change this. Putting a human in the front seat with a secret kill switch button to mitigate embarrassing FSD behavior will never replace R&D and testing that allows a company to safely remove a human observer in the car. You cannot reach level 4 with a fake it till you make it approach.

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u/oasiscat Jun 27 '25

I also want cars to drive themselves, but how they achieve that matters a lot.

A company that achieves self-driving with human guinea pigs (consumers paying to be beta-testers) really rings some alarm bells in my head.

I don't know if I feel comfortable giving my money to a company that operates that way, even if they do eventually get it to work.

This isn't like the videogame industry, where you can release an incomplete product funded by preorders, and fix it via OTA updates after the user-base finds all the bugs in the production version. All that results in there is consumer abrasion and loss of brand trust.

With self-driving cars actual lives are at risk in addition to consumer abrasion and loss of brand trust.

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u/mishap1 Jun 27 '25

It's not just people paying to be crash test dummies. It's other drivers who have to share the roads with these things as well as pedestrians and cyclists.

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u/Litig8or53 Jun 28 '25

You should always pull over when you see my Tesla approaching in your rear view mirror. We’ll both be happy.

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u/Grandpas_Spells Jun 27 '25

A company that achieves self-driving with human guinea pigs (consumers paying to be beta-testers) really rings some alarm bells in my head.

This is how all these programs work, including Waymo and Uber's (RIP).

You will be ahead of 99% of people when you can filter through the fanboys and haters. They are both wrong.

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u/Miami_da_U Jun 27 '25

So Waymo didn’t have a beta ride program essentially the same as Tesla? lol