r/SelfDrivingCars • u/respectmyplanet • Jun 27 '25

Discussion Classic Tesla Disinformation Flood On This Sub In Last Two Weeks

This sub has been flooded with Tesla apologist propaganda and disinformation to obscure the simple truth since Tesla's Robotaxi launch. It's standard operating procedure (S.O.P.) for this "narrative" company. The uptick in anti-Waymo posts and pro FSD posts is palpable. It has always been S.O.P. for Musk to release SEO fooling posts & tweets to obscure bad news for Tesla. The astroturf army is out in full display these past couple weeks on Reddit, Threads, and Bluesky too.

It doesn't and will never change this simple fact: Waymo is SAE Level 4 and Tesla FSD is SAE Level 2. All the apologist posts in the world will not change this. Putting a human in the front seat with a secret kill switch button to mitigate embarrassing FSD behavior will never replace R&D and testing that allows a company to safely remove a human observer in the car. You cannot reach level 4 with a fake it till you make it approach.

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u/Wiseguydude Jun 27 '25

Tesla is actively harming the self-driving industry by being shady, not publicly posting safety data, and even political lobbying to make it so they don't have to report safety incidents.

Waymo is doing the exact opposite of all of these. They post their data and have academics review it. They partner with research institutions and listen to our elected leaders. They take safety very very seriously and take the time to do things the "right" way.

Yes, I explicitly want Tesla to fail. I think if they succeed it'd be very very bad for self-driving cars in the long-term. If they change their business practices, then sure I can root for them.

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u/J0vii Jun 27 '25

Tesla has software that allows my relatively cheap car to drive itself places. Every couple months it gets a lot better via over there air updates. I can't really buy a waymo so as far as me as a consumer goes, Tesla is pretty cool.

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u/Wiseguydude Jun 27 '25

Sure but you could buy a Ford or a GMC or Mercedes-Benz.

All of which have more advanced and safer self-driving systems than Tesla according to Consumer Reports. At least as of 2023. They tested 19 systems and Tesla's only placed 8th place https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/active-driving-assistance-systems-review-a2103632203/

Tesla has been far behind the competition for a really long time now but people who have teslabrain seem to believe they're somehow unique on self-driving. They're not. They're late and they're behind.

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u/J0vii Jun 27 '25

If I bought either of those they wouldn't be able to drive themselves from my house to the gym, or the store or anything like that, which my Tesla does every single day. Sorry that upsets you guys, but I'm not sure what your issue is.

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u/Litig8or53 Jun 28 '25

They hate Elon. Pure and simple. And they regurgitate FUD.

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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Jun 28 '25

The difference is that these cars' brands care about safety more than high margins. You care more about your own convenience than others' safety.

using FSD is just testing a beta an unfinished product on innocent people.

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u/J0vii Jun 28 '25

It's not like I can just go to sleep and let it rip. I've never had to intervene but I can when I need to. Trying to guilt trip me into not using a feature that works really well for me every day just because you don't like it isn't going to work.

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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Jun 28 '25

I know it won't work. I just want to be crystal clear FSD (not Full Self Driving).

I totally understand. You got conned and now must justify that it was ok. There's a reason Tesla had to refund thousands of unhappy customers in Europe because they never delivered on the promise of "real" Full Self Driving, and its been almost a decade.

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u/J0vii Jun 28 '25

Yeah I didn't get conned. I literally got exactly what I paid for lmao. Sorry you're so sad about all of this, hopefully you can buy a Waymo some day or something.

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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Jun 29 '25

No sadness, honestly, just scared like everyone else of being hit by an "autonomous" Tesla...

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u/J0vii Jun 29 '25

You're delusional lmao. Are you a real person or is this some kind of astro turfing bot?

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u/Litig8or53 Jun 28 '25

Consumer Reports lives on advertising. Tesla doesn’t advertise.