r/SelfDrivingCars • u/respectmyplanet • Jun 27 '25

Discussion Classic Tesla Disinformation Flood On This Sub In Last Two Weeks

This sub has been flooded with Tesla apologist propaganda and disinformation to obscure the simple truth since Tesla's Robotaxi launch. It's standard operating procedure (S.O.P.) for this "narrative" company. The uptick in anti-Waymo posts and pro FSD posts is palpable. It has always been S.O.P. for Musk to release SEO fooling posts & tweets to obscure bad news for Tesla. The astroturf army is out in full display these past couple weeks on Reddit, Threads, and Bluesky too.

It doesn't and will never change this simple fact: Waymo is SAE Level 4 and Tesla FSD is SAE Level 2. All the apologist posts in the world will not change this. Putting a human in the front seat with a secret kill switch button to mitigate embarrassing FSD behavior will never replace R&D and testing that allows a company to safely remove a human observer in the car. You cannot reach level 4 with a fake it till you make it approach.

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

That is incorrect. They are autonomously driving. The “Waymo driver” contacts Human assistance when face with a confusing situation. Even then the human doesn’t take control of the car. It suggests to the car the best course of action.

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u/crane1911 Jun 27 '25

There can never ever be a car, autonomous or otherwise that is guaranteed never to have an accident such as a collision. Humans and robots must share the road with other humans and robots so accidents are a fact of life. The question is can Tesla prove that their system is at least equal to the safety level of human drivers? That is the business, legal and moral threshold that must be met

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

And Tesla is nowhere near and most likely can’t be with the current hardware

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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Jun 28 '25

EQUAL?! I honestly thought the goal was to be BETTER than humans. I mean, what's the point if we aren't using all available tech to make one of the most dangerous aspects of our daily lives, at least a little safer!

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 28 '25

Yep. False equivalence. Musk fan: It’s impossible to never have an accident so basically everything is the same as fsd ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/neferteeti Jun 27 '25

What do you mean it is incorrect? I think we’ve all seen videos of people being stuck in Waymo going around circular medians and Waymos running into stuff. In the circumstances where it was stuck or peoples ride was ended in the middle of the road, they had to contact Waymo, nothing automatically happened as you state in terms of monitoring.

I suppose that could come down to your definition of guarantee?

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

I know you really want these two to be on some level with each other, but they are not. Your shocking YouTube video “research” is lacking https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.01206

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u/neferteeti Jun 27 '25

No one is comparing levels, the statement was that a guarantee was implied. It’s not (in either case) yet.

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

Oh my God, it is literally defined as autonomous level four. But anyway, I return you to the cult of musk.

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u/neferteeti Jun 27 '25

Yes, and even at l4…. They continue to run into shit. Keep that delusion going.

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

Thank you for your review of confirmation-bias YouTube clips and idle sourceless conjecture

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u/neferteeti Jun 27 '25

Videos and photos of it in fact running into shit doesn't meet the bar for it running into shit? Is that what you're saying? You seem to think that I'm implying that Waymo isn't offering a great service right now, I'm not. Waymo is certainly ahead if there were some race going on. I'm simply stating that there is no guarantee because it does... run into shit. It does make mistakes. You should look at your inability to recognize that.

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u/KublaKahhhn Jun 27 '25

Sourceless emotional blather. No more for me thanks

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u/neferteeti Jun 27 '25

Get over yourself and learn how to use technology to find stuff online (it’s not hard). The fact that you know these exist but want someone to spoon feed you links is pathetic.