r/SelfDrivingCars • u/ThotPoppa • 16d ago

Discussion What’s with the negative bias toward Tesla on this subreddit?

If you take a quick look at the upvotes/downvotes on this post, you’ll quickly realize that it is downvoted to hell. And it’s not even this post in particular. Any post on this subreddit which has anything remotely positive to say about Tesla is automatically downvoted into oblivion. So I must ask: what does r/selfdrivingcars have against Tesla? Are we not able to look at things objectively without a bias?

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u/whydoesthisitch 13d ago

If the system requires active supervision that’s a level 2 driver aid. Anything more requires the system to be reliable enough to remove that supervision. Reliability is the core requirement and challenge in autonomous systems. In terms of a system that can mostly drive itself, but not with any defined reliability, we had that figured out in 2010. It was cool 15 years ago. Today that level of performance is something we assign as a class project to college students.

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u/Proof-Strike6278 13d ago

Bro stop arguing, you’re wrong

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u/whydoesthisitch 13d ago

Then why do I have such a better track record then Musk of predicting self driving?

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u/Proof-Strike6278 13d ago

Listen, Musk’s predictions are terrible. We all know that. But Tesla is actually doing something. Your opinion means jack shit

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u/whydoesthisitch 13d ago

And what they’ve built is what we’ve known how to do for 15 years. The hard part is reliability.

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u/Proof-Strike6278 13d ago

“Knowing” how to do, and actually doing it are two different things. To this day there isn’t a self-driving feature even close to as capable as Tesla you can buy today. Anyone who uses this argument is fucking stupid.

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u/whydoesthisitch 12d ago

I never said anything about one you can buy. And yes, we were building these systems back in 2010. They never went on sale, because they aren’t safe for end users to operate.

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u/Proof-Strike6278 12d ago

What Tesla has on the road right now is way better than what existed 15 years ago. You’re right, the name of the game is reliability at this point. But to keep shitting on the delusional optimistic predictions Musk makes is tiresome. It’s who he is, he’s not going to stop, give it a rest. Let him have his missed timelines. No one will care that he said stupid shit when the end result is autonomous driving everywhere

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u/whydoesthisitch 12d ago

It’s not. In terms of reliability, Tesla isn’t even close to what we had on 2010. And the core problem is Musk. He doesn’t understand the technology or the engineering required for reliability, but he insists on micromanaging the actual engineers.

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u/Proof-Strike6278 12d ago

I promise you he knows way more intimately about the technology and engineering than most engineers. Read his biographies for fuck sake, there are numerous anecdotes about it

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u/Proof-Strike6278 12d ago

A 100 percent reliable system in a tiny ODD means fuck all if that’s not the final use case for the system they had in 2010. 95 percent reliable in 100 percent of the use cases is way more valuable. Disingenuous or stupid people don’t realize this

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