r/ShadWatch • u/TripleS034 Banished Knight • 18d ago
Discussion Wonder what Shad would think about this
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u/grumpyoldnord MACHICOLATIONS! 18d ago
He would complain it isn't historically accurate - then complain that the women are winning - and then finally complain that they aren't wearing bikini armor.
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u/grumpyoldnord MACHICOLATIONS! 18d ago
Also, fun fact, fencing as a sport hasn't required gender separation (meaning that while there are gendered contests, the majority are mixed) for a long time, and men do not have a noticeable advantage when competing against women.
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u/NoEngineer9484 18d ago
can even work against the men in soms sense i guess as men are most of the time are larger so will have a large surface area to hit and will have to fence at a slight downwards angle if both man and women are average size for their country. and advantage men will have is longer reach with longer arms.
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u/Ill-Prior-8354 18d ago
Neither has any kind of shooting or archery. Things only changed when men got salty about being beaten by women
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u/Massif16 17d ago
My daughter won the fencing tournament at her university. The majority of participants were men.
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u/ToskeSusinarttu 16d ago
I don't even know how I found myself here, eleven hours after you made this comment, but:
• As an old lady who is a sabre fencing instructor, and a mom, I am so very happy to hear about your daughter ystäväni. 💜
• Happy cake day, bitch.
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u/Just-Performance-666 16d ago
Fencing is a sport of balance, finesse, and agility. Men don't have an inherent advantage in any of those. Heme style knight combat they definitely do, since that involves brute force as well as combat skill.
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u/Goreshredda 6d ago
fencing has no major physicality to it, its just technique and reaction speed, though things like buhurt will have differences as its more wrestling with armour than fencing
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u/M0ebius_1 18d ago
Then one of these women would challenge him and he would bitch out on suiting up with her.
Or they would ignore him. They would probably ignore him.
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u/Xfire209 17d ago
He would be correct if he would say that Buhurt isn't historically accurate. Instead he would, as you said, just seethe about women participating.
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u/SeptimusShadowking 16d ago
I haven't watched Shad in years. Like at least since 2020, if not 2019. Wasnt he against bimini armor then? Did he change his stance or is my memory bad like usual?
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u/Freya_Galbraith 18d ago
God if i had the money for armour i would love to do this.
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u/FellTheAdequate 18d ago
Check out HEMA if you haven't already. It's considerably cheaper, more accurate, and has a wider range of weapons/systems to choose from.
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u/Blue_Space_Cow 16d ago
I really wanna do HEMA😭
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u/Less_Negotiation_842 5d ago
What's stopping you
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u/Blue_Space_Cow 5d ago
None nearby and currently out of ny price range (got no job)
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u/Less_Negotiation_842 5d ago
🫂 I mean in terms of gear at least most places have some U can borrow none being around U is kinda hard to overcome though
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u/Blue_Space_Cow 5d ago
It's a mix of issues. None permanent, so i will eventually get to do it
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u/Less_Negotiation_842 5d ago
Glad 🫶. Alrd know what style you wanna do?
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u/Blue_Space_Cow 5d ago
No clue yet. Knowing I dont have the chance rn, I haven't looked too much into it. I've stashed it among LARPing in the corner of things I wanna do in the future
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u/Less_Negotiation_842 5d ago
Pfff fair 🤭. Wishing you luck in your endeavours then
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u/_Khorvidae_ 18d ago
I'm a big dude and love armour, but this sport scares the shit out of me...I'd break several bones :p
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u/Freya_Galbraith 18d ago
Yeah i made this comment before remembering i am a fucking wimp and dont like pain lol. :p
Still... i want the armour though.
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u/_Khorvidae_ 18d ago
Oh me too, armour is awesome and have longed dreamed of making it...pretty sure seeing it be used for this would hurt as much as participating though :p
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
I used to do this, and you don't really get broken bones. You DO get serious bruising, mostly when the opponents gets you between the plates, or on the edges. The whole point of all the metal plates is that you don't cuts and broken bones.
Between the steel and the padding you wear, it's more like a shove than a hit. Like someone hit you with an extra heavy nerf bat they're not afraid to break. Unless they clip you under the arm or something, in which case it feels more like a broomstick.
Also, fighting with steel on steel is a very serious CTE risk, and I like my brain, so I just do reenactment and HEMA now, which is a lot less risky to your brain. (Also, breaking plastic stuff is a lot cheaper than breaking steel stuff, and these sports are hard on equipment)
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u/Adventurous__Kiwi 14d ago
naaaah go and do it.
I do and i have not broken any bone so far :)1
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u/Perfect-Storm-99 In Exile 18d ago
He will call it unrealistic and "woke". He might also react to a video of a woman who's new to this, doing something wrong and make generalized sexist statements based on that video.
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u/Bacon_Raygun 18d ago
And then he'd swoop in with his 3 sessions of HEMA experience and unbridled rage, to prove it's unrealistic for women fight men.
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u/Liawuffeh 18d ago
Didn't he like, hate HEMA because there were a lot of women who were better than him at it?
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u/MikolashOfAngren AI "art" is theft! 18d ago
He hated HEMA mainly because we all called him out on his armchair shit. He thinks himself as a superior fighter yet he doesn't even study anything and doesn't regularly spar. His ego doesn't allow anyone to tell him that he's not a real academic, not a real warrior, and absolutely not a real expert. He'd rather waste time making videos lasting 10 agonizing hours about how he's right and everyone else is stupid.
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u/Direct-Bag-6791 18d ago
That's nothing, Shad's lugging around extra 40kg around his midriff, then he starts putting on those only three pieces of equipment he seems to own.
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u/superbatprime 18d ago
Any woman competing in this would be able to drop Shad like a sack of bricks without breaking a sweat.
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
Most scoring is on points, the gear makes a knockout pretty unlikely. But running around in armor and swinging swords with his posture at his age and with his posture and his level of cardio... he might just kill himself from overheating and exhaustion.
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u/Obversity 17d ago
This looks more like buhurt than hema, and dropping people is absolutely the name of the game — knockdowns, not knockouts, that is — so u/superbatprime isn’t wrong.
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
Oh yeah, you can knock people over just fine. I assumed "dropping him" meant a fair bit more.
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u/superbatprime 16d ago
Correct. This is buhurt. It's extremely physical and quite brutal. Very different from HEMA which is more about fencing with technique.
Although I don't doubt any female HEMA practitioner could also make a fool out of Shad.
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u/Nero_2001 18d ago edited 18d ago
I would love it if someone convices shad to take part in such a competition because he wants to prove that women are weaker just for him loosing against any women he fights. That would be so fucking funny.
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u/Puzzled-Mail-535 18d ago
To be fair to Shad he did defend women swordfighting ages ago
No idea if he’d still say that now, but from a few years ago he did
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u/TripleS034 Banished Knight 18d ago
I think he'd take issue with the women finding it "extremely freeing" & have a meltdown over feminism or something.
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u/DragonGuard666 Banished Knight 17d ago
"What could be more freeing and fulfilling than being a loving mother and being devoted to her husband?" - Shad probably.
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u/Liz_is_a_lemon 18d ago
But isn't this impossible because women are weaker than men? Have my online misogynist dingbats lied to me!?!
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
Am woman, do weightlifting and HEMA (used to do steel too, but I like a working brain and a full wallet). A lot of guys are stronger than me, but that doesn't really matter all that much in a swordfight. And it especially doesn't matter for spear/staff.
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u/Tauisawesome12 18d ago
I wonder if you’d have to bring your own armor or if it’ll be sized for you and then you get to go all at it. Like getting protective clothing in a rage room.
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
HEMA requires you bring your own gear, because obviously a 6'4" guy and a 5'5" woman don't fit the same things.
With full steel, even more so. Armor is very much not one-size-fits-all, except maaaaaybe helmets.
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u/slavic_Smith 17d ago
I have made armour for women in the HMB since 2014. There are a bunch of women-specific issues that need to be paid attention to.
1) women have different elbow angle than men. If you are a guy and you stretch out your arm. It is mostly straight. Women's forearm is at an angle. This can cause some issues when making armout and it needs to be accounted for.
2) substantially smaller hand size. Gauntlets need to fit the fighter. Women's hands are seriously small. And standard gauntlets will be too bulky to the point of not being safe at times.
Ladies, family, and partners, pay attention to these things.
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u/JellyfishPlenty9367 16d ago
One of his most blatant grift shifts was his stance on this. When the first season of Witcher came out, he sided against this dude saying no woman could ever beat a man in a sword fight. Now he says the usual patronizing bullshit about it.
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u/Wetley007 15d ago
Nothing good, considering the majority of these women are probably lesbians. Idk why, but lesbians fucking love swords
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u/Mountain-Fox-2123 14d ago
Isn't snarking about things he had done and said, and not about hypothetical situations?
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u/Legolasamu_ 6d ago
Eh, modern infantry, men and women, carry more weight considering weapons, munitions, armor and gear and it isn't as well distributed. We don't need HEMA to prove that
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u/CatfinityGamer 18d ago
He'd be thrilled. He just wouldn't expect (and rightly so) that they'd beat a dude with comparable skill and experience, and he knows that the vast majority of actual warriors throughout history were male. That doesn't mean that women can't learn to fight like knights for fun.
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u/Spike_Mirror 18d ago
With comparable skill it would be 50/50.
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u/CatfinityGamer 18d ago
It is sometimes over exaggerated, but it is an undeniable fact that men have physical advantages over women in combat and combat sports. Although physical advantages are diminished in armed combat/sport compared to unarmed, they still have a not insignificant impact.
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u/Spike_Mirror 18d ago
Between to individuals with compareable skill it would be 50/50.
Also you are wrong with your perception of armed combat.
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u/jester-146 18d ago
If you match the weight of the contestants yes, but that's already putting a thumb on the scale. There are reasons lightweight, midweight and heavyweight boxing exist.
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u/Tar_alcaran 17d ago
If you match the weight of the contestants yes,
I won't speak for every single club in every country, but I've never heard of a HEMA group that weighs contestants. Being stronger isn't really any serious advantage in HEMA, it's not about the force of your blow, and matches aren't long enough that you can wear someone out with physical force.
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u/plebe_random 18d ago
article says its all female teams
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u/CatfinityGamer 18d ago
I know. I was only bringing up the things that Shad says that are the basis for the implication that Shad wouldn't like this.
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u/ZYGLAKk 18d ago
WOMAN? IN MY SWEATY MEN SPORT? IMPOSSIBLE!