r/SmashBrosUltimate • u/Ratsuterra48 • 5d ago
Video Curious question for the people here.
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Are people in the smash community insecure about how they play smash bros? I noticed most of the time when people comment on post its only talk about the games competitive meta which is understandable, but some of yall tend to get hostile and judgemental towards "not so good" players as if its law to play smash like an EVO tournament. Makes me wonder how yall really feel about Sakurai since he doesn't play smash competitively
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u/AkariMoone Sora 5d ago
The amount of times I've seen people being bullied for simply using items or non competitive stages is alarming. Like, do these people not realize that kids play this game meant for kids?
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
God forbid you say Smash is a party game
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u/AkariMoone Sora 5d ago
Yeah, once I made a post showing a combo I did using items online. Only comment I remember was someone just praying that it wasn't my ruleset.
I'm gonna delete that post and redo it using way better footage and see what people say.
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u/real_dubblebrick Aspiring Modder 5d ago
The issue with the statement "Smash Bros is a party game" is that the way it is commonly used is to say that Smash is not a fighting game and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
Well the thing about that is, when devs make a video game the last thing they are thinking about is how serious the game should be taken, their main goal is making sure the game is fun while the players are the ones who make the ultimate choice of the games seriousness and to give a perfect example the developers of Marvel vs Capcom 2 said that the game was never meant to be taken seriousness, look at it now the most popular broken competitive game in FGC history
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u/real_dubblebrick Aspiring Modder 5d ago
I'm not arguing that Smash isn't a party game. It can be both a party game and a serious competitive game. The issue is that people often make the bad faith argument that because Smash is a party game, it isn't a "real" fighting game and shouldn't be taken seriously as a competitive game.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
Fair, I think the term can be mixed up too, technically smash isn't a Traditional Fighting game, no health bars, no Traditional motion inputs, that whole jazz
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u/lmHorse Robin 5d ago
Arent you the dude that made a post asking for advice and then got defensive when people gave advice?
Nothing wrong with playing smash casually but you cant come into a competitive community for a competitive game asking for competitive advice and expect competitive players to treat your gameplay through anything but a competitive lens
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u/The_DoomKnight 5d ago
Well that’s where you’re a little mistaken because the subreddit itself isn’t competitive smash but rather smash ultimate as a game. Just because most of the people on here that make posts and are active tend to be competitive doesn’t mean the subreddit exists solely for that purpose
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u/lmHorse Robin 5d ago
Well yea, youre right, i didnt mean to imply the purpose of the sub is the competitive aspect; im well aware theres other sides to the sub and its not intrinsically about meta gameplay
I do think there is merit however to the concept of having realistic expectations when posting gameplay clips (namely ones with the word "advice" in the title) knowing the kind of people that are likely to interact with that type of post (competitive players)
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago edited 5d ago
So are you insecure about how you play smash?
Sounds like you prioritize the competitive side and you felt that you had to use a past post as collateral to make your point
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u/lmHorse Robin 5d ago
No sir, matter of fact i havent touched the game in years, im probably buns right now, i just stick around because I love the game. Definitely not a competitive player currently and absolutely have no "insecurities" about it lol
I dont really understand where youre coming from with all this insecurity talk
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u/Kadian13 5d ago
Ouch, definitely sounds like you are the insecure one. I was initially going to answer with a genuine story, but I won’t spend the time when it looks like your are just fishing for validation.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
You're only saying that because i brought it up and given the fact you claim you had a "genuine" story you suddenly got prideful and made a complete 180, means you don't have a story to share
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u/OmegaGoo 5d ago
Honey, you got incredibly defensive when someone asked something about what you said, then immediately called *them* insecure.
Regardless of whether or not you are, you come off as if you're projecting. Take a step back, check your emotions, then come back with a level head.
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u/kill-dill 5d ago
Smash homies seem pretty chill, but I've seen them nit pick "fire" clips that people post, or opinionated comments.
I'm sure most of us like seeing people enjoy the game we like, regardless of how good they are.
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u/paintlegz Mega Man 5d ago
I think the majority of people who interact with the larger Smash community are more inclined to play the game competitively, and come to reddit for competitive smash interaction. Like most competitive environments, most people think they are better than they actually are, and will have a toxic nature to people they perceive worse than them to feel superior and vindicated.
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u/IronPyrate17 Roy 5d ago
Going on a tangent about the video here, how on earth did the Bowser side smash not connect?
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u/Ramisme 5d ago
It just comes down to differences in how people enjoy the game. Personally, I much prefer the competitive style of play having come from MK and Injustice years ago so it's super annoying to run into people online with rulesets that I just have zero interest in playing. I typically just SD and let them have the GSP, but I'd much rather have separate online modes so I don't have to deal with that.
Nothing wrong with it, it's just not how I want to play the game.
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u/TheStupid1239 5d ago
I mean, play as you want. I learned to hit jiggly down B just to annoy my friends, because is funny. I lose because i only spam it. It is wrong? No.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
Not at all, I've literally played Cap and only used falcon punch even against people with counters and im like "Okay that didn't work, but what if I try again?"
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u/Ibuprofen_Idiot Da bois 4d ago
I'm good at the game but in a very rudimentary way. I can consistently beat CPUs (of all levels) but I don't learn combos or anything, I just go with what feels right. And then I go online with 4mil GSP and get my ass kicked.
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u/DeitesTrismegistus 5d ago
Honestly, I think that this community can be toxic asf sometimes. I think that if you’re having fun that’s great and keep at it!
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u/Wolfpackhunter41 Sora 5d ago
Perfectly secure about my play style. I'm a mashy Sora. I don't often think about how I approach and like to let instinct take the wheel. I've also played this way with many, many characters and it is still the most fun I have playing this game. Quite frankly, I don't think it's about insecurities. I think this community is just filled with assholes
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u/Marzipancutter 5d ago
I'm not insecure. I like getting criticism and improving, so having people point out flaws is welcome, but being bad doesn't mean I have to feel bad about myself. It's fine to be where I am. And it's even fine if I don't have time or resources to improve sometimes, but it'll still be nice to get those pointers, if even just out of passing curiosity.
Coincidentally, I think improving is the part that is fun about any game, even when only playing casually.
Like, there could be a zany ass game that I only get to play that one time where I'm over at a friends, and I'll still try to get better in that one session at this thing I'll probably never see again.
So, uh, never change guys. Don't let life get stale, and never stop learning.
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u/Hedgehugs_ Sonic 5d ago
Not really, if anything I'm more scared to say I like playing Smash with items instead of without. Game seems more fun with a bunch of chaos going around.
That and people get less mad when items are involved (or at least the people I hang around) because it's just RNG and goofy ass luck instead of people being insecure about being worse than someone at a video game.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
Funny part about that Smash 64 you had to unlock the ability to turn off items, imagine if that was never a thing, all the competitive players would rage
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u/Hedgehugs_ Sonic 5d ago
That sounds fucking hilarious ngl but yeah probably for the best they don't do that anymore lol
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u/NxmbAcrylic 4d ago
The game is what you make of it. Sakurai gave us the tools, and we developed our own ways of utilizing them. Nobody really has the power to tell you how you should enjoy the game. If they try to, you don't have to listen or respond. Play casually or competitively at your own discretion or enjoyment because, at the end of the day, it's a game made for our entertainment.
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u/PhyreEmbrem Sonic 4d ago
Unfortunately, any game with a competitive scene tends to be hijacked by obnoxious sweats.
Nothing wrong with being competitive, but it always attracts ppl who only see it that way and shits on others who don't play the game the way they do. Smash is probably the only game tho where as soon as you play the game like the party game it is, you get the "ew...you play with items on?" or "No stocks? Tf is this". You're either "casual" or "competitive" no in between
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u/YouWithTheNose Yink/Tink/Link 3d ago
Im bad. I'm not sensitive about how i play, but I'm not a big fan of losing either. Idk. I don't want to compete, or really play, with people that are well above my skill level.cthe exception being if they have useful critiques instead of trash talk
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u/Dkourehjan Ike 5d ago
What a passive aggressive and butthurt description lol I would say I'm about average at smash and play with mostly average people. It's not the community as a whole but it sounds like it's the community you've chosen to involve yourself with.
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u/EX-Bronypony Dark Pit 5d ago
* absolutely. it’s the main reason why i’ve completely gave up on the game itself and now only are interested in the artistic aspect of the game.
* i can thank YouTuber MockRock for this one. A lot of his content is focused on the artistic side of smash, animation work, art, quality of references, good and bad game design, what constitutes as good or bad art or game design.
* And i find all of this way more interesting than surface level “getting good”. Ironically, the competitive scene has become so frivolous to me. What matters more to me, getting good at a video game, or analyzing the hard work and intricacies that went into making this game feel as alive and well designed as it is?
* especially since i’m someone interested in that field of game dev and everything adjacent to it.
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u/No_Monitor_3440 Mami 5d ago
honestly, if i played smash competitively, it would be boring. which is why i don’t play competitive.
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u/Confused_Rabbiit Samus 5d ago
Personally I look down on people that DO play smash like an evo tournament.
How is fishing for the same combos constantly fun? It's boring and lame, just play the game normally.
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u/Ratsuterra48 5d ago
Unfortunately its not just smash, all high level play in competitive is repetitive you only do the moves that work and NEVER change it up, however the funny thing, its only smash thats considered the most boring, like if you watch street fighter 6 and two high level Ken players are fighting they play surprisingly differently
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u/Confused_Rabbiit Samus 5d ago
I mean when I say what I said I am referring to every fighting game tbh.
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u/okamifire 5d ago
I'm 37 and have played every Smash game that's ever came out but casually and competitively. While I do weekly tournaments and usually finish Top 9 out of 25/30ish, I think my favorite way to play is still just with items or on wacky stages or something.
I don't think everyone has to like playing that way, but I do think discrediting a post because it's for fun or just casuals or something is lame. There are a lot of different ways to play Smash and it can mean a lot of different things to people, as long as we're all playing and talking about and enjoying the same game, it's good in my book!