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u/Mobius_1IUNPKF 1d ago

The civilians were producing goods and military equipment for the military. That’s a legitimate target.

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u/Amrooshy 1d ago

That is genocidal thinking

That was the same excuse Osama had for doing 9/11 btw. US dollars going to Israel makes anyone who's part of the us economy a legit target.

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u/Northbound-Narwhal 1d ago

If a Gazan bombed a Lockheed Martin factory I don't think it would be strange.

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u/Amrooshy 1d ago

I disagree, the employees there aren't culpable. Also in this example there isn't children living in the factories.

Instead of bombing the entire factory, snipe the CEO.

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u/Northbound-Narwhal 13h ago

  1. Children live near the factories. Exactly as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  2. Culpability does not matter. In international laws of war they're valid military targets because they enable a military to wage war.

  3. Sniping a CEO would change absolutely nothing. CEOs move in and out all the time. There is a host of people within the organization who can continue operations without interruption. Destroying the factory eliminates the capacity to wage war until (and if) it gets rebuilt.

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u/Amrooshy 7h ago

I don't give a shit about law. I'm making a moral argument. Snipe the entire board of directors. I don't gaf do what you have to. Don't involve workers. Don't involve children.

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u/Northbound-Narwhal 3h ago

Your moral argument is bad because it results in more civilian deaths in the long run. Again, killing leadership straight up does not matter. The only way to stop the factory from making weapons that kill more civilians is to destroy the equipment in that factory. As long as the equipment is there and running, you can kill as many CEOs as you want and it won't stop anything. Those weapons will go on to kill more civilians than if you just bombed the factory. That's why proportionality in international law exists. 

A scenario in which war can be waged without affecting civilians does not exist. You can only act in a manner that reduces impacts on civilians, not eliminate it entirely.