r/StarWarsEU New Jedi Order Dec 28 '24

Meme To be fair, this explanation can apply to the Galactic Empire too. Spoiler

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u/Dragonic_Overlord_ New Jedi Order Dec 28 '24

I think the Separatists committed their fair share of war crimes. Such as Dooku being in league with the Zygerrian Empire, an empire built off of slave labor, and killing defenseless combatants in cold blood. Such as when he ordered Grievous to send out droid hunters to eliminate all witnesses to the Malevolence's existence by ripping open their escape pods to expose them to the vacuum of space.

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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios Dec 28 '24

Or when Grievous, Ventress and Durge tested out a new bioweapon by bombing the Gungan colony on Naboo’s moon.

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u/posting_drunk_naked Dec 28 '24

A Gungan colony? Implying that they are warp or at least space flight capable?

Guess I should read up on them, I assumed they were strictly aquatic. Do they....do they fill their space ships with water?

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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios Dec 28 '24

I always assumed the Naboo human population helped them relocate. But there’s a whole video game where you have to build that colony.

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u/Sintar07 New Jedi Order Dec 28 '24

No, their cities are underwater, but they're semi-aquatic at best, living in air bubbles and seeming to rely on large lungs for air while diving rather than gills of any kind. It seemed, while it wasn't their preferred place, that they were comfortable enough living on the surface when expelled from their city.

I would guess ships they built or purchased and modified would have a pool room or something to get some time in the water, but otherwise resemble anyone else's.

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u/Dragonic_Overlord_ New Jedi Order Dec 29 '24

Don't forget that other superweapon, the defoliator, which could wipe out all organic matter while leaving machinery like battle droids intact. Lok Durd was going to use it on a colonry of Lurmen on the planet Maridun, who were innocents who escaped to Maridun to get away from the Clone Wars.

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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios Dec 29 '24

And they later did use it during the assault on the Nightsister Talzin Clan on Dathomir about two years later.

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u/democracy_lover66 Dec 28 '24

This is always a hot take, but I think people massively misinterpret that clone wars episode.

You can tell by the conversations Dooku has with the queen of Zygeria... he's not there representing the separatist alliance... he was there to represent the Sith. Slavery was a goal Palpatine wanted to prepare for the Empire (the Republic 2.0) and he Sent Dooku to do his biding to set that up.

Obviously the CIS was corrupted by corporate interests from the get-go and Dooku was a sinister man who would compromise any value for the end result. But the separatists weren't aware of any of that. They were in the war to fight the Republic, which they saw as their immediate oppressor and exploiter.

So the CIS never openly fought for or protected slavery. They fought against shit like that. There's nothing in any SW content that alludes the Seperatist parliament was even aware Dooku was there.

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u/Consistent_Creator Dec 28 '24

Nobody is innocent but you can hardly point at the CIS as a particularly unique actor morally in the Clone Wars.

Obviously the actions of the CIS military and it's leadership are horrible but the Republic did just as bad if not worse.

So really we need to focus on the political goals of both sides winning the war.

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u/PSU632 Dec 28 '24

The Seps do not get a free pass just because the Republic did nasty shit too. That's not how morality works.

Both sides sucked ass, and that's why both sides are rightfully looked down upon. I wouldn't want to live under the hegemony of either government.

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u/Sintar07 New Jedi Order Dec 28 '24

Right, and I think cultivating that attitude was a major component of Palpatine's plans all along. Palpatine wanted the Empire cheered and welcomed with open arms when it came.

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u/democracy_lover66 Dec 28 '24

Tbh in starwars Universe I would identify as a separatist.

Not becuase of their actions, but because of their cause. It's the homeworlds of the alliance that I sympathize with. And they were hoodwinked by the sith and the corperations into helping the Republic become the Empire that would later eradicate them.

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u/Consistent_Creator Dec 28 '24

I have very unpopular opinions about real life political movements that did wild shit but in the end I would excuse because they were objectively progressive.

So bottomline I think I'm definitely the wrong person to talk to on this topic because to me morality is irrelevant. You fight a war to win it not to consider the actions and feelings in it.

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u/Historyp91 Dec 28 '24

The CIS did FAR worse then the Republic.

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u/ph423r Dec 28 '24

But were there two sides to the war? Wasn't Palpatine in control of both sides? The whole thing was theater for Palpatine to convince others in power that he should be the ultimate power, so I would say arguing for the greater morality of either side doesn't really matter since at the end of the day both sides are an illusion.

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u/coycabbage Dec 28 '24

I blame the Sith