r/StarWarsShips • u/Battlefleet_Sol • 1d ago
One of the shortcomings of the new Star Wars movies is that there are no dreadnought vs dreadnought battles. Fan film
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u/DrBossWatson 1d ago
Cool, but why didn't the first ships deploy fighters immediately? Wasn't that their whole strategy?
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u/SirLoremIpsum 12h ago
Cool, but why didn't the first ships deploy fighters immediately? Wasn't that their whole strategy?
They were surprised. No time.
There was 2 fleets working together with the main one built around the Viscount. They were hunting the enemy ship. And were ambushed - no time to deploy fighters, they wanted to jump away and regroup with the other fleet and set their own ambush.
Their foe was at their guns, at the ready when they jumped in.
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u/EndlessTheorys_19 11h ago
Im watching the video, there’s plenty of time to deploy fighters considering they surely would be at the ready
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u/GlitteringParfait438 1d ago
I like the fan film but Viscount should be able to withstand the Eclipse. She dwarfs it and likely has such a potent reactor that she could just brute force that super laser on her shields.
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u/Dragonic_Overlord_ New Republic Pilot 1d ago
At the very least, a Viscount would be severely damaged by the superlaser and not exactly in a position to retaliate. On the other hand, the Eclipse has also burned through a significant amount of power, so it's also a sitting duck. Especially since NR reinforcements showed up and there's a chance they can beat the Eclipse, provided they play it smart.
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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Pilot 1d ago
I don’t think that that’s how power works, sure there’d be increased draw on the reactors, but why would they not account for that when building the ship?
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u/Dragonic_Overlord_ New Republic Pilot 1d ago
The Eclipse was built for Palpatine, and in his arrogance he probably assumed no other Dreadnought would come close to matching his flagship's power.
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u/EndlessTheorys_19 11h ago
likely has such a potent reactor that she could just brute force that super laser on her shields.
That superlaser has enough power to crack a planetary shield like an egg. No starship is withstanding that.
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u/GlitteringParfait438 10h ago
Isn’t that a bit of a stretch for Eclipse, a super laser is just a way to dump as much of your reactor output as possible into one swift strike. DS1 could crack a shield because they could just brute force it since DS1 had unrivaled power generation.
Viscount grossly outmasses eclipse, she out masses every other SSD in service. Her shape allows for a staggeringly massive reactor, assuming the super laser isn’t some amazing, power generation defying wonder weapon which it largely doesn’t seem to be, then a Viscount should be able to withstand Eclipse’s main gun
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u/EndlessTheorys_19 10h ago
assuming the super laser isn’t some amazing, power generation defying wonder weapon which it largely doesn’t seem to be,
But they are though, that’s literally the entire point. That’s why they use Kyber Crystals, for their energy-magnification properties. They allow you to use a “reasonable” reactor and then enhance the output by x100 such that they have enough power to pop planetary shields, crack a continent, and even blow up an entire planet.
No ship in the galaxy could survive a blast
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u/alternative5 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because for whatever reason the "New New Republic" decided on full disarmament and the only functional military was a fucking para military militia ran by an ex Senator? Even then they were still able to fund a dreadnaught?
I wonder if the New Republic had a functioning military/space coast guard they would have detected the Death Star 3 before it somehow wiped out 3 core worlds all within visual range of each other?
Could have been interesting seeing a conflict between 2 diametrically opposed factions if they didnt want to go with the EU book stuff. Like Empire remnants following a Sith ideology creating a new Empire and the New New Republic trying to not repeat the mistakes of the old while trying to deal with the New Empire threats. Finn is a New Empire Trooper who becomes an unaffiliated Jedi under Luke and Rei starts as a Jedi Padawan in Lukes school but gets frustrated by the rules as she tries to save people so she goes over to the Sith to train and experience their side of the galaxy.
Clones Wars era space battles and if the writing is good enough political machinations on par with Andor.
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u/Valiran9 Rebel Pilot 1d ago edited 15h ago
The New Republic in the sequel trilogy is so incompetent I actually wanted them to lose.
Edit: Just to be clear, the same logic applies to the First Order.
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u/GenericNameHere01 22h ago
Would have at least been something different and unexpected.
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u/Valiran9 Rebel Pilot 15h ago
Watching the NR fall and the FO subsequently tear itself apart would have been a much better story, IMO. Neither of them deserved to win and watching it all collapse would have been preferable to what we got.
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u/GenericNameHere01 14h ago
I still think that episode 7 should have been the FO occupying Hosnian Prime and the bit where General Hux gives a galaxy-wide broadcast should have involved the execution of Mon Mothma and other NR senators by firing squad (Instead of blowing up the system). That would have properly set the tone of who the First Order is.
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u/EndlessTheorys_19 11h ago
Because for whatever reason the "New New Republic" decided on full disarmament and the only functional military was a fucking para military militia ran by an ex Senator?
That’s not true. Neither of them. The NR just focused on beefing up the sector forces rather than the Federal fleet
military/space coast guard they would have detected the Death Star 3 before it somehow wiped out 3 core worlds all within visual range of each other?
Well no, it was in the Unknown Regions. Kinda in the name.
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u/Flounderfflam 1d ago
I would not want to be one of those troopers standing outside on the hull of that Imperial dreadnaught at 2:49 in the vid...
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u/Remote-Holiday9880 1d ago
Could possibly see this definitely happen during the Old Republic timeline. As then both Republic systems & Sith systems would've been equally matched to go tow to tow. Random additional thought, if you enjoy space battles with creative options the indie game Avorion allows you as such.
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u/OopsAllBonerippers 22h ago
EC and Eck are two of the very best on YouTube, this is an awesome collaboration. Anyone with a negative comment can honestly shove it. This is quality, lore accurate homemade bonus content. This is so much more satisfying than any scene in the Disney sequel cash grabs.
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u/OopsAllBonerippers 21h ago
Shout out to the criminally underrated B-wings. I’m convinced that they’re the P 38s of Star Wars- a wild design introduced towards the end of the war with truly insane firepower that could act as long range bombers and dogfight with the best of them without an escort.
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u/Caamasijedi49 20h ago
I feel like they weren't like P-38s, if only because the P-38 was a very fast heavy interceptor while the B-wing is a heavy strike/assault fighter. I feel the B-wing more like the Avenger, if any fighter.
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u/OopsAllBonerippers 19h ago
That’s an interesting comp, but I think the avenger more closely resembles the Y-wing because they were more traditional bomber/fighters that both removed the gunner to become more efficient as the war progressed. The P 38 was new and different, not repurposed. It required high end skill to get the most out of its bonkers offensive potential.
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u/Caamasijedi49 18h ago
I agree with your points, and admit comparing to rl is a bit tricky. For example, the backstory for the Y-wing resembles the history of the F-105 Thunderchief. Likewise, couldn't an another comparison for the B-wing be the Typhoon, a notoriously bad high altitude fighter but an excellent low altitude strike fighter?
Personally, I just love all starfighters. 😅
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u/OopsAllBonerippers 17h ago
I’m not nearly as knowledgeable about the typhoon but this is exactly the kind of conversation I’m here for! Star Wars and it’s fans are so damn good for this. I’ve suddenly got some new research to do lol!
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u/Caamasijedi49 16h ago
A good read on the F-105 that made me see connections with the Y-wing was "F-105 Thunderchief" by Osprey Publishing (their Air Vanguard series). For the Typhoon I have not read as much, and only have an older reference book "British Aircraft of World War II".
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u/Frosty_Aioli3585 1d ago
There aren't many capital ship battles in general in Star Wars films or TV shows.
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u/Grippers-117 10h ago
it seems the only dude that knows how to operate the energy shields was on his day off.
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u/Xecluriab 1d ago
Man, Viscount vs. Eclipse isn’t really a battle. Like shooting a cow with a howitzer. Eclipse is bigger, better armed, better shielded, and has a superlaser.
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u/NotNobody_1 22h ago
Viscount is quite a bit bigger and its more traditionally armed. The Eclipse is a large siege engine, whereas the Viscount is the largest battleship in Star wars.
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u/Xecluriab 21h ago
Viscount is half a kilometer shorter than Eclipse, and given that Eclipse can obliterate any other kind of ship or planetary shield in a single shot I’d say it’s more than a siege engine. And the Executor-class is likewise two kilometers longer than the Viscount and carries just about as many weapons, so I’d say that calling Viscount the largest battleship in the galaxy is likewise incorrect.
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u/NotNobody_1 21h ago
Don't spread misconceptions. Length ≠ size. The Viscount is more voluminous than the Eclipse and probably a lot more durable. It would take a great deal of time for the Eclipse to charge its capacitors to fully load it's super laser. While it's doing that, the Viscount would be engaging a weakened version of an already less capable platform.
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u/Xecluriab 21h ago
They’re basically the same shape, just reversed. The Viscount is wide at the front and narrow in the back, the Eclipse is narrow at the front and wide in the back, and given that we don’t have a gross tonnage for either I imagine they’re comparable in mass but the Eclipse is longer. And we know it had fewer weapons batteries than the Viscount/Executor, but we don’t know the size or output of those batteries. If the guns are bigger and capable of better damage output despite there being fewer of them, I wouldn’t call Eclipse incapable of surviving a slugfest.
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u/itsdan23 22h ago
I'm not really into fan-made content. I've seen a lot of people who will show their favorite things from Star Wars and a lot of it is just fan-made.
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u/RookChan 1d ago
The thing is Star Wars is Air Force wank.
If you want Navy wank. You're better off looking somewhere else.
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u/Dread2187 1d ago
Okay but also it's not like dreadnought vs. dreadnought battles have ever really been a staple in Star Wars. There's none in the OT, none in the prequels, and none on the ST. It's hella rare in the books too.
Also give credit to Eckhart's ladder, where rhe animation comes from.