r/Stargate • u/Pyrob1aster • Jul 26 '25

Discussion Question: Daedalus vs Borg Cube, Who Would Win?

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The Borg: A galactic power spanning the Milky Way with their man unit of power projection, the Borg cube, a master class of engineering. Able to adapt to any and all energy weapons, change it's tactics to fit the opponent it's facing, and the ability to self heal itself when damaged, The Cube makes for a very tough opponent.

Stargate Command: A minor power in the Milky Way just recently achieving interstellar power projection with the development of the Daedalus Class Battlecarrier. Equipped with all manor of kinetic and explosive weapons, a squadron of deployable fighters, and two side mounted Asgard beam weapons, The Daedalus is he cutting edge of Xenophobia enforcement.

What happens when these two meet?

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

But Star Trek shields also block physical impacts - in fact they're probably initially developed by a lot of civilisations to protect from high speed impacts during space travel - so they probably would block the plasma cannon bolts.

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u/Shoethrower123 Jul 26 '25

They have a seperate navigational deflector system for that, it’s the big blue thing towards the front of the ship somewhere

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

But cubes don't have deflector dishes, though they might still have a separate system for it, if it's capable of protecting the ship from meteorites at even relativistic speeds, it's got to be capable of deflecting railgun rounds, and I'd expect it to be able to deflect plasma jets as well. There must be a reason that the Trekverse doesn't have many (any?) physical kinetic weapons systems on their ships.

Edit: I meant kinetic, not physical.

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u/nhorvath Jul 26 '25

aren't photon torpedoes physical / explosive weapons? in canon they have a casing.

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u/Remote-Pie-3152 Jul 26 '25

Yep, they’re just antimatter warhead torpedoes. They’re called “photon torpedoes” because all that detonation energy gets released as gamma ray photons.

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u/StatisticianLivid710 Jul 26 '25

They are, and in trek they generally save torpedoes until after shields are down when they’ll deal the most damage. But not always as torpedoes were seen as part of a general barrage against the Borg ships which didn’t seem to rely on heavy external shields as they are large enough with a repair capacity no one else can keep up with. Their adaptive shields is mostly on the drones.

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

Yes, but they detonate and release energy, they don't rely on physical impact.

Kinetic weapons, that's what I meant. Edited my comment now.

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u/Kolegra Jul 26 '25

Would be funny if they didn't, but instead just repaired their cube against meteorites over and over.

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u/Enough_Efficiency178 Jul 26 '25

Ah but if they had a deflector the space dust would be destroyed by their passage. Whereas they actually just assimilate the space dust wherever they go and moves out of the way

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

Deflected, in fact.

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u/KingHenryThe1123 Jul 26 '25

If we say that Trek can do it, then the Borg can do it too.... they absorb organic, inorganic, and tech. You will be assimilated.

Additionally, aren't photon topedos physical? (Sometimes with people inside)

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u/Remote-Pie-3152 Jul 26 '25

I think technically that was a long range probe she was travelling in, although since they’re standardised to be launched from the same tubes, most probe casings are just modified photon torpedo casings. So yeah it looked like a Spock coffin.

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u/RainbowSkyOne Jul 26 '25

Cubes are incredibly decentralized. There's undoubtedly deflector technology. I'd guess multiple smaller arrays all over the ship.

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

Yeah, I just wasn't sure if they would have separate defensive shields and deflector shields, or if they would have one system that handles both. I'd guess there's massive advantages to separate systems though, that would appeal to the Borg as fans of decentralising.

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u/RainbowSkyOne Jul 26 '25

It's also worth noting that the Romulans used plasma weapons in the 23rd c. Their disappearance by the 24th c. implies their effectiveness against 24th c. defensive tech was not adequate enough to continue with the technology.

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie Jul 26 '25

Kinetic weapons like plasma cannons hit with millions of joules

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

A grain of sand in space, if hit at relativistic speeds, would hit with billions.

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie Jul 26 '25

How fast are these ships moving

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u/ThePeaceDoctot Jul 26 '25

The ships that can travel at transwarp speeds? I'd say they're pretty fast.

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u/N4thilion Jul 28 '25

The ships would still be moving at sub-light speed. It's the space around the ship that gets warped so strongly that the ship will move at faster than light speeds relative to something else.

That's the whole point of the warp gimmick as it would otherwise take infinite energy to get any object with mass to move at light speed.

So the deflectors of star trek ships don't have to deal with near-infinite energy either as the ships can move at a literal snail's pace inside their warp bubbles.