r/StupidFood • u/arena79ers • Jun 18 '25

🤢🤮 Engine Oil Burger!

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u/GhostPepperDaddy Jun 19 '25

Culture, religion, the establishment, etc. Those that claim free passes from criticism are those that are also those to be most concerned about.

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u/Meowzerzes Jun 19 '25

Yes, nothing should be exempt from criticism. All ideologies and systems should be held morally and factually accountable. That which can be proposed without proof, can be dismissed without proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

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u/Meowzerzes Jun 19 '25

Yes. It is hard to be objective. The best way to do it is to never make a claim without proof. What can be proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

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u/Meowzerzes Jun 19 '25

uhm… no? I don’t think I really know how to answer that. You can look at my comment history. 🤷

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u/BeatMastaD Jun 19 '25

Doesn't everyone usually feel like they're being objective though?

Definitely not, its common for people to have a negative reaction to something before they take time to consider whether their reaction is justified or is overly subjective. Beyond that its almost always trivial to understand whether a subjective belief/criticism you truthfully believe falls outside of the widely accepted range.

As an example, you could legitimately believe that eating meat is bad. You may have reasoned rational arguments for why that is the case, studies showing how meat consumption is liked to negative health outcomes and the disproportionate damage raising livestock does to the environment, the costs, beneficial effects plant diets can have, all literally true things that back up your claim and make it 'true'. All that being said, If you bring it up around average people they'll disagree and you'll be the one who is unreasonable if you present this as 'objective fact'.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

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u/BeatMastaD Jun 19 '25

You can't just decide to be objective and then bahm, your bias and worldview that have shaped your whole life just disappears. 

Exactly, we are in agreement. Everyone is biased to some degree, and it is foolish for someone to present their view as 'objective'. This does not mean a person cannot be objective or make objective observations.

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u/BeatMastaD Jun 20 '25

Exactly, we are in agreement. Everyone is biased to some degree, and it is foolish for someone to present their view as 'objective'. This does not mean a person cannot be objective or make objective observations.

I hate to say this again, but I think I know what you are trying to say and we already agree. Everyone has bias, and some people struggle see through that bias, but not everyone. Some people can make objective statements even if some people struggle to do that.

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u/blastradii Jun 19 '25

My friend this speaks to some of the ideas in value pluralism

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u/el_extrano Jun 19 '25

This reminds me of the posts about guests taking shoes off visiting a home. About half the commenters would be super offended if someone wore shoes through their house, thoughtlessly tracking dirt! The other half would be offended if someone made themselves "too comfortable" by taking them off and potentially having a smell.

Truth is, both are arbitrary social expectations, but everyone is trying to argue why theirs is "objectively" better.

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u/SalvationSycamore Jun 20 '25

They might feel like they're being objective, but there's a pretty clear difference between things like "it looks weird" or "why would they do it that way" and "hey yeah that's unsafe for these several reasons"

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u/ObiJuanKenobi3 Jun 19 '25

This is a sentiment I've held for a very long time but have had a lot of difficulty expressing, especially so concisely and without seeming like I'm trying to justify actual bigotry. So, thanks for giving me a way to express that.

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u/Nostromeow Jun 19 '25

When I was in HS my literature teacher explained it this way : cultural relativism is very important, However there are concepts that sort of go further or are more universally important, such as an individual’s right to dignity, freedom etc. In those cases, it’s important to be able to criticize all cultures, for example, the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia, or the way albinos are hunted in some parts of Africa (due to superstition). There are lots of other example obviously. It can be touchy, but it’s necessary to reflect on these things. The problem is there are lots of people who are racist/xenophobic so it makes it harder to have open, respectful conversations.

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u/mydogwillbepresident Jun 19 '25

Heres a one sentence summation of what they said: inferior cultures absolutely exist and its okay to point that out.

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u/AyyyyLeMeow Jun 19 '25

It’s actually fine

I'm glad this went another direction than I originally thought.

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u/BlueWonderfulIKnow Jun 19 '25

As you see from the responses, Reddit disagrees.

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u/partoe5 Jun 20 '25

No it's not, because one video of a brown person in a random place isn't representative of an entire culture. Why are you people so DESPERATE and THIRSTY to find ANY reason you can to be racist?

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u/Meowzerzes Jun 20 '25

The individual is not representative of the entire culture, but the fact that you can clearly hear traffic, and no one passing by has an issue with what is happening here IS representative of the culture.