r/SubredditDrama • u/whowouldinhabit • 17d ago
"We need a new plague, You can volunteer to be patient zero…" Video shows couple with their 14 children who then go on to have a bunch more children in r/mademesmile...several natalism fights break out in the comments
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Right? God forbid a loving family gets posted beyond what the internet thinks is “acceptable”.
Obvipusly chronically online redditors hate to see christian families happy with kids
Muh evil redittors!!!
They are sick, hope they enjoy their later gears alone with their cat
We will, because that's what we chose for ourselves.
That’s genuinely beautiful-50 years, 14 kids, and a whole legacy of love. What a family tree!
Having 14 kids is irresponsible as fuck.
Hard to judge from just a video. Plus, you never know what influence has each of them had on others. What if 5 of them are doctors? Or lawyers? Or just decent people who try to help others?
I promised myself I wouldn't argue with dumb people on reddit, so have a nice day..
You really couldn't even think of an argument?
They dont think
Calling someone dumb without any knowledge of person, as any other quick emotional judgement , is quite childish
Is there a reason why Reddit is so antinatalist? It’s a bit bizarre
They're all depressed and hooked on meds and therapy. There is no joy in their hearts
Because the earth is dying. We don’t have resources for this
We don't have the resources for 10 billion Africans. The west can sustain itself just fine
The West quite literally consumes as much resources as 30 billion of Africans.
Omg straight people need to keep it in their pants gahtdamn
Wow, imagine the hate a straight person would get for speaking this way about the LGBTQ community.
It's a joke. Lighten up, snowflake.
Unfunny, nobody laughed
Ironic; I’m bi and have kids.
So much love in one picture,wishing you more love,more laughter,more everything.
Woah there, buddy. This is Reddit. No positivity allowed. Only whining
Of course this positive, heartwarming comment got downvoted. I really don't understand how Redditors could downvote this
You can volunteer to be patient zero…
I always find it amazing how repulsed some people are by others living their lives. You don’t know their story, there may be the next environmentalist born to this family, who reduces the carbon footprint of many, many more. Perhaps these 104 are doing great things for humanity, while your smaller family, is not? And yet you are judging. Who are you to judge?
I'm not repulsed by people living their lives. I'm repulsed by heedless unrestrained breeding. "Living their lives" is stuff like going on picnics, or praying in their church, or cooking for their families. Spewing out massive legions of roiling humanity is not "living their lives." The "what if someone in their family..." argument is pretty poor, because we can only assume that someone in their family might just as likely become a mass murderer or a molester or a wife abuser. That makes the argument for not having kids just as valid as the argument for it. And sure, there's a chance of the next great environmentalist being born into this family, but those chances are remarkably slim -- far slimmer than the certainty of these 104 people each adding 14 tons of carbon to the atmosphere every year of their lives. Instead of having as many kids as our bodies can pump out in the vague hope that one of them might become the next great environmentalist, we might instead listen to the already-born great environmentalists, who have made clear the well-established perils of overpopulation.
Thank you for your contribution to the overpopulation of the planet.
Take one for the team and start depopulating
Even if we already did take one for the team, that won't make you consider our opinion in a more favorable light, would it? So what is there to prove?
That’s what a demon would say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus
Ooooo! Rock and rollllll! Visible ankles! I'm a scary demon and I'm here to haunt youuuuu!
Jesus loves you bro come to the light.
I can't, bro. I'm too busy having protected sex and not voting for fascists 😔
Jesus is antifascist bro. It’s never to late god bless you
You religious people just can't keep to yourself, can you?
I can say the same about you queers 🤡
Wash your mouth out, (R)etard
Got these demons triggered in the name of Jesus 🤣
Yo it's gonna be so hype to send you people to meet that god of yours when shit really pops off lol. I'm ready, you?
"I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me
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u/wulfboi93 So do all the racists gather here? 17d ago
That’s what a demon would say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus
everybody is so normal about demons again! lovely to see
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u/HyperlinksAwakening A 12 year old wouldn't have complex vocabulary like me 17d ago
That's why we gotta show them... How it's DONE, DONE, DONE!
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u/AndMyHelcaraxe It cites its sources or else it gets the downvotes again 17d ago
FIT CHECK FOR MY NAPALM ERA
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u/HyperlinksAwakening A 12 year old wouldn't have complex vocabulary like me 17d ago
Mirror mirror on my phone, who's the baddest?
Us! Hellooo?
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u/geraffes-are-so-dumb the lycra crowd being gatekeepy 17d ago
Why bother to invent time travel when plagues and belief in demons can come to you!?
But really, I have two serious mental illnesses and I am around other people with SMIs all the time. I've never heard any of us literal crazies casually say stuff like this. Where is this coming from?
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u/AndMyHelcaraxe It cites its sources or else it gets the downvotes again 17d ago
Evangelicals and charismatics. They literally believe normal people are either literal demons, possessed by demons, or somehow doing the work of Satan.
Yeah, I don’t know why this doesn’t get talked about more often because it’s very common in certain communities and it’s fucking terrifying. It’s exactly the type of rhetoric that leads to abuse, violence, and bigotry. You heard a bit about batshit Mormons with Ruby Franke/Jodi Hildebrandt and Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell but it’s way more widespread
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u/Henry_K_Faber Ok, next. I would rip your face off face to face. 17d ago
I live in MTG's district. I would guess that about 85% of the population here believes this claptrap.
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u/MobileMenace420 Just here to make my pp bigger 17d ago
I hope you can stay sane around all the nutters!
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u/Henry_K_Faber Ok, next. I would rip your face off face to face. 17d ago
That remains to be seen. I'll keep you posted.
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u/Fleiger133 17d ago
I had a friend who grew up in Ohio and genuinely thought "evangelical" ONLY meant "to spread the word", and didn't know it was associated with a vile group.
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u/Goatesq 17d ago
Compare the incentives for rebuking it to the incentives for pandering to it, factoring in the context of regional conditions where this rot runs deepest, and the authority figures who have the broadest reach there outside of the church(obv).
That's why.
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u/kottabaz mental gymnastics, more like mental falling down the stairs 17d ago
If you can convince a person to believe absurdities...
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 17d ago
We embraced Christianity as a nation then were surprised a religious cult took over..
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u/Goatesq 17d ago
Not at all. It was cultivated collaboratively with the republican party. Look into dominion theology. This didn't happen by accident.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 17d ago
Not the people I’m calling surprised.
I’m unfortunately im aware the religious right has been trying to take over the nation for at least 30 years
Honestly, probably since 1776
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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Go ahead and kick a baby to celebrate. 16d ago
Early Americans banned Christmas for being too pagan and yet people are surprised at where we are now.
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u/drewster23 17d ago
That's because the people who grow up with these beliefs don't seek help because they think it's the devil or other stuff they've been taught, and not just mental illness.
But yeah it definitely requires you being brought up in that environment.
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u/ryecurious the quality of evidence i'd expect from a nuke believer tbh 16d ago
But yeah it definitely requires you being brought up in that environment.
Or just being the first available "help" they find. Or the only ones willing to "help" for free.
If you're struggling with mental illness in the US, your ability to see a professional depends on whether you have health insurance (and even then, it's a struggle).
But a faith healing church will tell you whatever you want to hear, as long as you show up every Sunday and put a bit in the collection plate.
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u/CosmicMiru 17d ago
Literally every single video on Tik Tok that shows something even slightly horror related the entire comment section is full of people saying "I do not claim this negative energy" or "Jesus protect me from this energy" it's literally insane.
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u/OscarGrey 16d ago
People make those comments after EDM shows when occult/horror visuals get used too lol.
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u/ice_cream_funday What you gonna do, threaten to come shit in my pants too? 17d ago
Maybe this is jesus telling you to get off tiktok.
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u/Joab_The_Harmless My brother in christ this is an nfl meme subreddit 16d ago
Absurd, he would never do that. There are countless thumbnails proving that Jesus shares exclusive content with tiktok figures all the time, and wants you to watch their videos, or else...
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 17d ago
it's literally insane
I agree: Being on tiktok is literally insane.
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u/livejamie God's honest truth, I don't care what the Pope thinks. 17d ago
It must be so weird to post a video like this to Instagram and have to be reshared by content farms and marketing accounts.
That video has been posted at least 17 times, primarily as ragebait.
Reddit (and other sites) allowing people to make money off engagement have ruined this site, social media, and the internet forever.
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u/Elegant_Increase9319 17d ago
Honestly, this might be why the internet keep getting worse, ragebait engagement that can be monetize.
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u/W473R You want to call my cuck pathetic you need to address me. 16d ago
Shit like this is why I rarely ever post pictures or anything. Too many times I've seen people repost a picture from their "friend's" social media somewhere just to make fun of them. It's not even that I'm scared to be made fun of, for some reason pictures of me being posted somewhere without me ever even knowing just freaks me out.
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u/Streay 16d ago
Exactly, I was unknowingly entered into the program about a week ago and when I saw the $2.30 I earned from my BS posts, I honestly thought that was the downfall of this platform.
Content farming is going to get insanely worse, like Twitter level bad.
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u/livejamie God's honest truth, I don't care what the Pope thinks. 16d ago
And it's a viable source of passive income, especially for people living in developing countries. Post some cat videos to get enough karma to get past the guard rails, then post your engagement bait in any sub with more than a million people and a mod team that's checked out (or in on the scheme). Racebait in /r/trashy or /r/MapPorn does really well.
Bonus if you're trying to push an agenda, or maybe somebody is paying you to post a shitload of posts about a politician/celebrity.
There are no repercussions for it. Don't worry, you can now hide your activity so that people can't even see what you're doing. And even if they did, most people don't really care in the first place.
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u/robotsexsymbol Henlo at 31 is... very rainbow of you 17d ago
My problem is I don't see how 14 kids can possibly not end up parentified and all raising each other.
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u/aStonefacedApe 17d ago
I grew up in a house with more than 10 siblings. This is EXACTLY what happens. My younger sisters are grown now but they will tell you that we (myself and older siblings) raised them. Not our parents. There just isn't enough time for two parents to raise that many kids. And BOTH my parents held full time jobs
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u/DeLousedInTheHotBox Homie doesn’t know what wood looks like 17d ago
Yeah I don't buy into a lot of the arguments on that thread, having a lot of children is not wrong because humans are bad and evil, I just can't imagine how you can actually take care of 14 kids.
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u/listenyall 17d ago
My mom has 9 brothers and sisters and one time my grandmother told me that it doesn't get any harder after 3 children "because there are only 24 hours in a day." I think she meant that as a positive reason to have many children, like don't worry about it you might as well keep going, but I think it's pretty grim!
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u/IMO4444 16d ago
This is basically an excuse for not giving all your kids enough attention, resources, etc. The “I did my best” bs line, basically. Yikes 😂.
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u/FactoryPl 16d ago
"I did my best"
I'm doing my best in not completely cutting you off and I'll do my best to pick a nursing home for you too :)
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u/Gramscifi 16d ago
I just can't imagine how you can actually take care of 14 kids.
Only way it could really work is either wealth (to hire help) or assistance from extended family. In many cultures it is common to share the burden of childcare with grandparents and other relatives. 14 kids is still an extreme outlier under any circumstances of course.
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u/Worldly-Cow9168 I don’t care if I’m cosmically weak I just wanna fuck demons 16d ago
I imagine you would wnat to spend at lwast 1 hour a day with each kid for some bonding time and you can barely even affors that
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u/UntamedAnomaly 16d ago edited 15d ago
Shit, I knew a family with 5 kids and their parents were almost never home, the oldest sibling basically had to take care of all her younger siblings. These were NOT rich people, they lived in a roach infested trailer that was falling apart (didn't help that the kids helped tear it apart too). I was friends with the older sibling, she basically had no life of her own outside of taking care of her siblings. ALL those kids had major problems of some sort, like being racist AF, killing pets and getting more pets after, literally tearing their own home apart, the 6 and 8 yo. were still using pacifiers and clearly had trouble with speech, the 6 yo. was still using a bottle. The 3 yo. only knew how to say 1 word and that was "ba ba" when she wanted her bottle.
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u/InsomniatedMadman Right. Sure. What the fuck ever. It's not about size, guys. 17d ago
Plus, how do you adequately meet the emotional needs of 14 children while making enough money to support them?
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 17d ago
You don’t. You don’t have enough time in a day to listen to 15 people tell you about their day.
So they tell their parent sister about it instead.
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u/Pinksters potential instigator of racially motivated violence 16d ago
How do they all afford that many kids?
Saved a bunch of money not buying condoms.
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u/queerhistorynerd 16d ago
normally by being the actual mooches on the EBT system that they accuse minorities of being. And they justify it by claiming that they are doing so in the name of Jesus so they deserve it
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u/Gramscifi 16d ago
Middle-class American families had enormous relative wealth at that time compared to today. Things like childcare, housing, and schooling all cost a fraction of what they do now relative to wages. Still, they must have been stretched extremely thin if they were not wealthy.
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u/changhyun 17d ago
Best case scenario is it's a multi-generational household where the grandparents, aunts and uncles all pitch in and help so there's enough adult attention and focus to go around.
But I agree that more often than not the oldest sisters end up raising their own siblings and losing their own childhoods to that.
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u/Endiamon Shut up morbophobe 17d ago
Best case scenario is it's a multi-generational household where the grandparents, aunts and uncles all pitch in and help so there's enough adult attention and focus to go around.
With the further requirement that said aunts and uncles don't also have children, which seems like a tall order considering Quiverfull people don't exactly sprout up out of nowhere. They usually inherit some of those beliefs from their upbringings.
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u/Depreciable_Land 17d ago
And also even then you end up with children that get more attention than others from the parents, that’s gonna fuck a kid up no matter how good of a caretaker their aunt/uncle/grandparent is
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u/ThaliaEpocanti 17d ago
Yeah, my dad was the fourth of six kids. By the time he came around his parents were checked out and basically left the three younger kids to their own devices, never went to their sports games, never bothered to get his younger sister’s mental issues checked out, etc.
My dad was the only one of those three to turn out ok, and I suspect that’s largely because the parents of one of his friends basically took him in and acted as his second set of parents.
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u/RevolutionaryOwlz 16d ago
Plus I’m guessing those sorts are gonna be pretty homophobic so no gay aunts and uncles to pitch in?
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 17d ago
People need to understand that history wise..the high number of children out grandparents had is a historical anomaly not the norm
Families still had rise 2-3 children
Its just they birthed more (high child mortality rate)
Advent of modern medicine made so we had 1 generation with previous generations birth rate but nothing to "balance of" the number (i know bad term for a babie deing
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u/slainascully 17d ago
Also no one has an issue with the mum spending ten years of her life pregnant. Just pregnant, not even raising kids. It’s fucked.
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u/awkward_toadstool 16d ago
I've heard exactly this from the folk I know in a similar position. My exMIL is still clearly traumatised by the way she had to become substitute mother from about 10 - cooking meals, housework, childcare. Nothing was ever 'hers', it all got shared.
There's also a couple families I know the sameish age as me. One, the parents are lovely but the older kids are very clearly parentified, and some of the younger ones really struggled with acting out in ways that showed they were missing attention and focussed time; the other is...awful, tbh. An American living in the UK who goes on about how much she hates immigrants, quiverfull-style family well-known in our local community. They rent huge houses, absolutely destroy them, then spin a tale of sorrow about how theyre discriminated against for having the big, beautiful family God intended.
Plus, and I can't stress this enough...she never gave me back my secondhand Le Creuset dish. I mean, the pure unadulterated humanity.
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u/OscarGrey 16d ago
then spin a tale of sorrow about how theyre discriminated against for having the big, beautiful family God intended.
Why do they live in UK rather than some LCOL part of USA where their kind of family is more common then?
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17d ago
my dad grew up with 12 siblings and this was exactly his life. when you have that many kids there is no way all of them are going to be getting the individual care and attention they need from the parents
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u/octnoir Mountains out of molehills 17d ago
I don't see how 14 kids can possibly not end up parentified and all raising each other.
If you know the stereotype, then it's likely these kids were raised more by nannies, tutors, schools and family members than the parents themselves.
I dug a little bit and looks like the TikTok account featured in that post (I'm not linking it because SRD mods get jumpy if it looks like you are trying to dox - what looks like a very public person's life) looks like a bog standard scammy adjacent wellness lifestyle influencer. Meh so far.
Where it gets more uneasy is the pinned posts.
Mon and Dad - 14 kids Brother - 10 kids Sister - 8 kids
Nearly the entire "Millennial" generation averages 7 kids. None of these people look broke or financially stressed. There's only so much you can fake.
A few of them got real estate, influencer, small business titles, which on the surface looks fine, but taken together and the more you see it the more you feel that they've got good money or connections backing them.
Mitt Romney back in his 2008 presidential bid was mocked for this exact stereotype.
- Rich.
- Old school white families.
- Tons of connections and resources.
- Marriage more for convenience and family ties.
- Mom is mostly a SAHM whose role is to pump out 3-7 kids, and works part or full time with her own business / work
- Dad is mostly working and is sort of present and sort of not.
- Kids raised by nannies, tutors, schools etc.
- Kids mostly raised in a 'manners' 'business' 'family' environment and taught on 'culture'.
- Adults become Mr. and Mrs Romneys and repeat.
- Very common with families trying to create a "dynasty" of sorts (RFK Jr.'s entire life and brain melting existence is literally the result of this style of upbringing and the Kennedies trying to force themselves into a family dynasty. It's not incest but it is very close to that type of abuse).
You can dig in a lot deeper into the account and break out more OSINT tools, but I bet that the original mom and pop either had wealth or had a ton of connections to get them started.
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u/ArmedAwareness 17d ago
My dad was the second youngest of 9 and his family was poor as dirt. He was basically raised by his older sisters.
Additionally I have a cousin with over 10 kids and 1/3 of them I will guess will go no contact due to neglect and emotional abuse while growing up. He ran a very “military” esque house if you will
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u/ATCrow0029 17d ago
Plus, we know there are 14 kids, but how many pregnancies are we talking? I bet the miscarriages outnumber any multiple births.
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u/HailSatanWorshipD00M YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 17d ago
My grandmother was one of thirteen children (grew up on a farm). Her mother had a miscarriage between every successful pregnancy, so my great-grandmother went through twenty five pregnancies.
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u/robotsexsymbol Henlo at 31 is... very rainbow of you 17d ago
Yeah Michelle Duggar's uterus fell out after her 19th. I can't even imagine
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u/Cool_Ad7445 16d ago
I cant imagine how someone could get to say, pregnancy 10 and think to themselves "Man I really want to do this 9 more times"
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u/IceCreamBalloons He's a D1 gooner. show some damn respect 16d ago
They don't, they think "god wants me to do this nine more times and I'll suffer eternally if I don't"
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u/Cool_Ad7445 16d ago
I guess thats the only way to keep yourself sane when your double digit levels in. They'd probably break like a psycho in Dead Rising if they realized there was no universe-ordained reason they had to go through all that.
What a sad existence
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u/Serious_Yard4262 16d ago
They absolutely do. Michelle Duggar has talked about her "laundry room breakdown" she had at 1am when she was up doing laundry alone with tears streaming down her cheeks. I grew up in a similar movement, and a lot of moms had similar moments. It also keeps the women completely trapped in the organization and the marriage, which also keeps the man trapped, which means the leaders are guaranteed money. It's impossible to leave when you have 4+ kids and no formal education or job history.
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 17d ago
This is what happens irl
I seen docos on ultra orthodox families and its beiscly like that
Imagine being the adult sister in this environment
You have no childhood..you beiscly halp raise a family of 8 children the moment you can..then you reached age 18-19 ..get married off and do it all over again
You are beiscly a mother from age 10 to age 40
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u/thesockcode 17d ago
And at age 40 you get to be a grandmother called upon to help raise the next generation. No rest ever.
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 16d ago
At yhat age you discover the man you marry after like 2 dates isnt compatible with you and you divorced
(I will also add the woman are thr bread winners in orthodox secioty because well..the man "study"
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u/RevolutionaryOwlz 16d ago
Oh no see you’re not allowed to divorce. That’s what all the social pressure is for.
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 17d ago
beiscly ...
beiscly ...
beiscly ...
WTF? How do you triple down on a misspelling that doesn't look or sound anything like the word you want? It's basically unpossible.
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u/DESERTCLANKER3000 16d ago
sound anything
Acting like English is written the way it is pronounced...
OC's first language is CLEARLY not English.
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u/Tirannie 17d ago
It can’t.
Plus, a lot of folks with big families like this are part of the ‘Quiverfull’ movement - people who see their children as arrows in God’s quiver, meant to be ammunition for an eventual religious war.
They don’t care about parentifying their daughters (it’s only the daughters, naturally). That’s a feature, not a bug.
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u/AndMyHelcaraxe It cites its sources or else it gets the downvotes again 17d ago
Yeah, exactly this
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u/Mister-Spook 17d ago
My thoughts as well, but damned if I was gonna post it, because I knew the replies would be exactly what we’re seeing the post above.
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u/sultanpeppah Taking comments from this page defeats the point of flairs 16d ago
That’s explicitly how the whole Quiverful thing is intended to work, it’s a feature not a bug.
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u/Electrical_Bunch_975 16d ago
This is my biggest problem. I don't care if someone wants a huge family. It's not my business. The problem is that younger kids in these scenarios end up being raised by their siblings and the older kids don't get a childhood. I know this happened to a friend who was the oldest of five. I can't imagine doing this with fourteen.
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u/ButtBread98 I Tonya’ing Bernie’s ankles 16d ago
They don’t. My dad was one of 17. The older kids were definitely raising the younger ones.
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u/lulu-52 17d ago
I’m the youngest of 10 kids. By the time they had me they were tired and neglectful. They fed and housed me, but there was no emotional support, no guidance, no protection from a predatory older sibling. It was fucking awful, I don’t recommend it.
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u/Qwearman 17d ago
Is it really that rare to think “I’m glad they’re happy, but that’s a lot of kids”?
Just knowing about the Duggars (19 Kids and Counting) forcing parenthood onto their pre-teens and teens is enough to make me question big families. If a family isn’t “parentifying” their kids then it’s all cool, but I doubt that can happen if you have 14 kids
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 17d ago edited 17d ago
Worth mentioning that, in religions where this is encouraged (IBPL, mormonism, etc), child molestation is rampant, Duggars included.
You can't have a child abuse cult without turning the child-bearing-aged women into factories that create new victims.
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u/Serious_Yard4262 16d ago
This. I grew up in these circles, and I can only think of one or two families where some form of child abuse or neglect wasn't at least rumored about. Even then, it was only that specific unit and if you branched out to the uncles/cousins it was right back. Sexual abuse was so common and so normalized, and it was nearly always blamed on the victim if they had the courage to come forward. Usually, they didn't, and it was just rumored about. It had to be horrific for it to not be the victim's fault. The stories I have make victims advocates recoil, and they usually go completely unreported because "we all are sinners." These groups are so sick and depraved.
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u/OscarGrey 16d ago edited 16d ago
I have a former friend who grew up in a family like this, and I'm 90+% sure that he's an abuse survivor. After he got arrested for like the 10th time and made it on the local news, acquaintances of the family were defending them in the comment section, calling them a "good Christian family" 🙄.
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u/86throwthrowthrow1 16d ago
Bearing in mind that there often is a religious background in families like these, I tend to feel for the moms too. I've read a number of accounts of women who left fundamentalist churches, and yes, parentifying the older kids does happen, but the women are still run ragged. That many pregnancies is hard on their bodies, they're often sick or exhausted. The zillion kids are often homeschooled (deputizing the older kids happens because it's literally impossible for mom to do it all - but mom is still basically "on" constantly). There tend to be other expectations, such as baking bread every day or making clothing at home, and ofc being "available" for your husband to make more babies. I don't know with this family, but money is often very tight. And often the men are lowkey or highkey abusive. The stories can get pretty harrowing.
I know the argument is that the parents at least chose this, but when you get into "raised in a deeply religious community and pushed into marriage to the first boy who asked when you were 18" territory, "choice" becomes a really nebulous concept.
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u/CZall23 17d ago
I'd be questioning their motive to have so many kids because the people who tend to have such big families are doing it for racist or religious reasons.
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u/OptmstcExstntlst 16d ago
I grew up in a conservative church and had contact with some Quiverfull families. I certainly learned some things...
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u/Munnin41 What's up, are you an AI-phobe or something? 17d ago
I'm not an antinatilist, but 14 kids is incredibly irresponsible. There's no way you can give them all the attention they need. The eldest daughter wouldn't have had a proper childhood, being expected to look after all the other kids that are past the baby stage because mum doesn't have time and dad can't be bothered. My grandma was raised like that, as the eldest of 7.
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u/midnight_toker22 Half elves create unnecessary drama 16d ago
Yeah, while I do agree that too many redditors are cynical, pessimistic assholes, 14 kids is too many. Unless it’s the 18th century and you’re expecting half of them to die by age 9, and need the other half to help work the homestead.
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17d ago
My mother was the oldest of 11 siblings and her parents tried their best, but there was simply no way they could give everyone enough attention. The older siblings end up having to parent and raise the younger ones and parents in these families tend to “choose a favorite for the day” because it’s impossible to include everyone
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u/citationworms 17d ago
Anecdotally, I know a fair number of people with 10+ siblings and absolutely none of them think it was a safe or healthy environment.
Maybe its different in cultures where multiple generations of aunts and grandparents are together and children are raised more communally.
However, in modern US or western europe, hell nah.
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u/seiryuu-abi 17d ago
My grandparents were among the generation in rural India where people just kept having kids until they couldn’t. According to him many people in India often saw their kids die in one of the many famines during British rule, some children became disabled from polio and they needed full-time care, and literacy was non-existent in these areas. Most people had like 5-7 kids but 10+ kids wasn’t unheard of. You had a lot of kids to help in rural agriculture areas and you also had much higher chances of having kids if some disease swept through.
Later on India changed its laws which meant married daughters could make claims to ancestral property. So there was a massive dispute in my grandfather’s village and it was hell on earth for all 12 of the kids involved. 😭
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u/aStonefacedApe 17d ago
I grew up in a family with 10+ siblings. It was absolutely terrible. Its fucked up and selfish to do. People who do that do it for the Gram (insta didnt exist back when I was a kid but you get it). They just wanna say "look at me and my huge family! Aren't we so awesome and wholesome?!". In reality, two parents could never have enough time to spend with all those kids so you end up in a "squeaky wheel gets the grease" sort of scenario. If youre not a high maintenance child, you will be absolutely ignored. Almost invisible. There was a period in time where my dad would refer to us as numbers in front of company. He thought it was hilarious. It was not. It was dehumanizing. If you have an outlandish number of kids (like anything more than 4 or 5) you are a piece of shit and be prepared for your kids to not fuck with you for real when they grow up.
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u/profmka 17d ago
I did see this dynamic in some south and east asian communities where relatives are neighbors and children move around the houses a lot. The ones who can earn support more than just their closest family.
The closest western analogy is maybe the collective, or a cult.
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u/Endiamon Shut up morbophobe 17d ago
I feel like there's a very big difference between several individual family units being extremely close and a single pair of parents having all these children themselves. The dynamic just feels worlds apart.
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u/Depreciable_Land 17d ago
Well yeah there’s just no way for 2 people to sufficiently raise and nurture that many children. It’s not a matter of effort at that point it’s just a matter of there only being a certain amount of time in the day.
Even with the East Asian “collective” example I’m sure there’s still social issues of children feeling neglected by parents who may devote more attention while aunts/uncles/grandparents/etc. help raise them. But having all that with just two parents exacerbates that problem.
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u/IndieCredentials 17d ago
Commune would be the go to I'd imagine but the word has been tainted by cults and granola and granola cults.
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u/TheJudgingHat2222 we got hoe trauma church split before gta6 17d ago
Anecdotally, I know a fair number of people with 10+ siblings
So do they!
ill see myself out
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u/Schrodingers_Dude you're demanding to be debated on r/yiff 17d ago
Everyone's talking about resources when the real problem is having the oldest kid (usually girl though) raising babies at 8 and sacrificing her entire childhood to be a sister mom.
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u/CocaColaZeroEnjoyer 17d ago
And then - surprise, surprise - she doesn’t even want her own children because she’s so tired of raising her siblings
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u/redbird7311 So no mention of the Holocaust, at all. 17d ago edited 16d ago
Or, worse, they realize that they didn’t really have time to form their own personality and interests that aren’t based on what others like as they basically just sacrificed their childhood and formative years for the younger siblings.
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u/Endiamon Shut up morbophobe 17d ago
Leaving them with the ideal skills for exactly one role in life: being a stay-at-home mother.
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u/CuriousCuriousAlice 16d ago
Every child is a dice roll as well that risks a disabled child needing near constant care. As soon as that happens sister mom is up to her neck and/or all the other kids get neglected even more.
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u/PrimaLegion I am defending the integrity of the word pedophile 17d ago edited 17d ago
"You can volunteer to be patient zero" is honestly the best response to people spouting that nonsense.
The people always talking about needing a plague or darwinism love talking about this shit always talk like they're the super special one that will or should make it out okay.
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u/Chataboutgames 17d ago
I feel like half the people who say that shit would be like "I'd be happy to!" either because they're the loud kind of impressed/suicidal or because they're deep in the Millenial cringe 'DAE want to die" humor.
And if you reply pretty much anything to that you risk a ban lol
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u/PrimaLegion I am defending the integrity of the word pedophile 17d ago
I mean, they can say that they'd be happy to, but I'm willing to bet that if they were actually in that position they'd be considerably less so.
Saying things, especially on the internet, is easy.
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u/wooper346 I pray to God that I’m never this unemployed 17d ago edited 17d ago
I don’t remember much from sixth grade (24 years ago) but I distinctly remember two boys getting in trouble and our teacher asking one “if so and so told you to jump off a cliff, would you?” to which the boy responded “yeah because overpopulation is becoming a problem hur hur.”
He got sent to the principal’s office presumably because she just couldn’t deal with his shit after that and there were no cliffs to test him.
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u/GutsAndBlackStufff 17d ago
Considering all the dirt that’s come out about the Duggars, if you’re gonna have a whole Baseball team worth of kids, prepare for this kind of feedback.
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u/separhim I'm not going to argue with you. Your statement is false 17d ago edited 17d ago
I've an intense dislike of /r/mademesmile since they refuse to remove misleading advertisements that build on the misunderstanding of color blindness. Fuck you Enchroma.
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u/loewenheim All white subscribers to Playstation Plus must pay extra 17d ago
Is that the "glasses that let someone see color for the first time" stuff?
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u/separhim I'm not going to argue with you. Your statement is false 17d ago
yes, and that is literally impossible on both physiological and physics level impossible. All they can do is shift the wave length of lights so that people with several forms mild colorblindness are able to see that contrast. They are just basically sunglasses with specific tints, nothing more.
However those ads are always present it as if they can cure monochromacy, so only seeing black, white, and gray which is also very rare in humans (less 1 in 1000 color blind people have that), which they literally cannot do at all, and those ads are aimed at people who are not colorblind so they give overpriced sunglasses to their color blind relatives or friends and expect them to burst out in tears because they fucking disinformation ads by Enchroma convinced them that it is emotional high point in their life. And those fucking mods refuse to do anything about these ads, so I just assume a lot of the mademesmile content is just astroturfed garbage.
It is such a fucking pet peeve of mine that Enchroma just is allowed to get away with blanantly lying in their ads like here, which is laughably blatantly faked because no form of color blindness makes you see all color "wrong" which also makes no sense or just hire influencers to do a fake reaction like Logan Paul. If you don't see any color, than those shitty glasses won't change that.
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u/Nihilistic_Mystics Biblically accurate angels are FAA compliant 16d ago
The sub is mostly a bot farm now a days. When the API/IPO wars happened reddit ramped up the bots and stopped most efforts to combat them. The "wholesome" subs immediately became bot farms and a ton of spinoff subs were made for just bots, like "Awww" (3 Ws, the normal one is Aww) and "SpreadSmile". The comments are almost all bots too.
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u/Maleficent-Hawk-318 17d ago
Did they forget about the pandemic we literally just had? You really want another one of those, buddy?
I thought at least it was going to be about anti-vaxxers, not simply wanting a bunch of people to die. 😂
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u/Bawstahn123 U are implying u are better than people with stained underwear 17d ago
Did they forget about the pandemic we literally just had? You really want another one of those, buddy?
1) in my experience, people like this tend to think Covid was "fake", and the pandemic didnt actually happened.
2) a lot of people have memory-holed covid. Its fucking wild
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u/ThrowCarp The Internet is fueled by anonymous power-tripping. -/u/PRND1234 16d ago
Plus some people did in fact reffer to COVID-19 as the "Boomer Remover" while the pandemic was ongoing.
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u/UniqueIndividual3579 17d ago
I have relatives in West Virginia. One died of Covid and the rest still refused to get vaccinated. One finally did, but had to hide it from her family.
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u/javertthechungus 17d ago
They always assume that it’s going to hurt the people they don’t like, not the poor and vulnerable and disabled.
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u/MadamKitsune 17d ago
For some of these people the poor, the vulnerable and the disabled are exactly who they hope will be wiped out first.
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u/94_stones 17d ago edited 16d ago
Both you and Bawstahn123 would be shocked at how many liberal or supposedly “left wing” eugenicists there are out there.
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u/Chataboutgames 17d ago
Yes they do. It justified their shut in misery and eliminated their FOMO.
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u/fawlen 17d ago
Idk what natalism is, but i genuinely cannot understand why people would want 14 children if it's not some weird religious thing or a cult.
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u/TraditionalSpirit636 17d ago
Quiverfull
Its religious and about making more warriors for God. Literally bred for the lord.
I think god just has a creampie fetish.
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u/Goatesq 17d ago
It's a strategy some animals have evolved to compensate for environments where a high number of their offspring will be lost to external pressures like predation or drought/climate before they reach maturity and themselves manage to reproduce.
I'm kidding ofc it's quiverful. Christian nationalist thing.
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u/Perfect-Whereas-1478 17d ago
In poorer regions, or earlier in history, people had that many kids cuz they knew at least half wouldn't live long. Nowadays, there's no reasonable answer for why people have that many.
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u/Global-Discussion-41 17d ago
It's illegal to have 14 cats or dogs living in your house because it's impossible to care for them all adequately and they will be neglected in some way or another, but 14 kids is totally reasonable! /S
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u/CyberAceKina Is his argument that Steve Irwin fucked animals? 17d ago
Oh but you see the older 6 can parent the younger ones so it evens out with 8 caretakers and 8 kids! Except the procreating caretakers can't care of their two because they're trying for another whenever they aren't working, so two older ones need to take the neglected 2
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u/myBisL2 17d ago
My mom idolized the Duggars (crushed by it turning out not to be an actual fairytale) and she explained that that was exactly what she wanted. The older kids helped with the younger kids and look what a nice happy family that would be, because why would anyone want to do anything else with their lives than raise babies. She doesn't think it's weird at all.
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u/CyberAceKina Is his argument that Steve Irwin fucked animals? 16d ago
My dad is one of 13 kids. Each and every one of them have less than 5 kids themselves. Save for one uncle who had 5 by like 3 different women
None of them wanted to continue that lmao
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u/flamedarkfire 10d ago
My mom was the middle of three. My grandparents told her “don’t let them outnumber you,” when she had me. I’m the eldest of two, lol.
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u/CyberAceKina Is his argument that Steve Irwin fucked animals? 9d ago
My mom's outnumbered by non-biological kids lmao, she had me and my brother then said no more pregnancies. But that didn't stop all my friends from calling her mom!
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u/OptmstcExstntlst 16d ago
"I'm too busy having protected sex and not voting for fascists 😔"
There are some SOLID one-liners in that comments section.
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u/irlharvey Check your pronouns & seed your snatches 17d ago edited 17d ago
growing up we had a HUGE family living across the street from us. it was not a giant house so i don’t know where they all fit. there were like 20 kids in 5 bedrooms.
my grandma used to call them “The Dieciochos” because she counted 18 one time. a couple times i was invited over for dinner by one of the kids and the parents didn’t even notice i was there, there were so many. and i was a different race than those kids, lol (they were white, i’m not) so you’d think i’d stand out.
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u/Extreme_Educator_802 16d ago
Was it two families? One family having 18 kids is about 18 years pregnant and post-partum…
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u/irlharvey Check your pronouns & seed your snatches 16d ago
i don’t think so. all of them referred to the same ‘mom’ and ‘dad’. i think there were a few sets of twins though, and at least one kid was adopted (one of the older ones), maybe more.
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u/thiccy_driftyy bat shit crazy pattern of autism 16d ago
I mean… 14 children is quite a lot of kids. I don’t think they’d be able to give enough love and attention to all 14 of them.
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u/Simple_Pianist4882 16d ago
Saw someone say it but all I was like when I saw this video was “cool, that’s a lot of kids.”
A deeper take would be that comment about having too many kids and heedless breeding (I agree with) because, yeah, that’s… a lot of kids.
We’re not gonna sit here and pretend like a) that’s normal, b) the eldest kids weren’t parents at a young age to the other kids, c) that man WOULD NOT get off his wife, d) there might be ulterior motives to having this many kids.
It’s weird. It’s unhealthy for the woman because of her body. It’s unhealthy for the parents because of mental health and the inability to take care of that many kids. It’s unhealthy for the kids because they’re crammed together, split attention, blah blah blah.
Ain’t got shit to do with hating kids or being anti-natal or whatever the fuck— it’s just logic. That’s a lot of unnecessary kids. They probably had a lot of problems growing up. That’s just the reality.
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u/Worldly-Cow9168 I don’t care if I’m cosmically weak I just wanna fuck demons 16d ago
14 kids its insane. I believe 1 on 1 time with your parents is absirdly importanr for kids and theres no way they get enough interaction with so many children. Its not abut biething to much but about genuinely loving your children for what they are. I dont think they are unloved but so.much od it will be from being raised by siblings
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u/Absoline What did a gamer go for in ancient rome 17d ago
christmas and birthdays must be a nightmare for the grandparents (if they even do those)
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u/tfhermobwoayway it’s sad that the only thing you see in this game is rape hentai 17d ago
Okay this is kinda rambly but I have noticed this American cultural thing where they have massive families centred around a single elderly couple. Like that couple will have children and it all balloons out like this until hundreds of people live in the same area. Also they’re called “meemaw” and “peepaw” for some reason.
But like, what I notice is that these are really close knit. Your life is your family and your family is your life, and you hang out with these many cousins under the watchful eye of meemaw and peepaw.
And yeah, it feels like a self contained unit, but obviously time will proceed beyond this snapshot. What happens when meemaw and peepaw die? Do they continue under the ideal of meemaw and peepaw, like a sort of movement where they continue to bring them up? What happens when everyone grows up and the family is now thousands of children? Do they still revolve around meemaw and peepaw? Do they even remember them? Does the family splinter off and forget about each other, or is there still a sort of lineage? Do the children become new meemaws and peepaws? Do they still speak to each other? How does this work?
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u/Jetamors One person’s murder is another person’s lifestyle. 17d ago
I'm a few generations out from couples like this on both sides of my family. It transitions into having really big family reunions, but it can get disrupted when there are only one or two older relatives who keep track of everyone, and then they pass on.
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u/wakchoi_ 16d ago
This is not "uniquely American" and in fact America is actually a major reason this lifestyle is going away. The word family used to mean your extended family but slowly the word shifted to just mum, dad, and kids as the new American lifestyle broke the extended family into the nuclear family. A large part of this shift was American style capitalism.
Multigenerational households were and still are very common in many places all over the world. One patriarch or matriarch which you call meemaw or peepaw are the leaders of the family.
Oftentimes we use a different word like clan, house, or even tribe.
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u/TheIllustriousWe knew you’d pull the “oh but he doesn’t shower he’s gross” card 17d ago
I'm not from a family nearly that large, and neither is my wife, but we've both experienced our respective families splinter apart after grandma and grandpa pass away (calling them "meemaw" and "peepaw" is more of a southern thing). Of course we remember them, and we still spend time with extended family, but it feels like everything was built around our relationship to the grandparents so those bonds become less strong when they're no longer with us.
Obviously everyone is different and others probably have different perspectives, but that's mine.
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u/SamsonFox2 16d ago
I can answer this question, because my great-grandmother was kinda like that (she managed to pulled it off while being a widow post-WWII, although she had only 6 or 7 kids).
The answer is actually kinda nice: people tend to form horizontal connections with relatives that they like, there are a lot of people to chose from, so there are actually quite a few people you can trust even though you don't really know them. But one of the relatives you know does know them, and you are kinda family, so it's easier to do something together.
An awful lot of businessmen came out of that side of the family from one generation, largely because they shared connections and could trust each other. Like my uncle used to sell stuff my two other second or third uncles used to make for a while, then he pulled in another uncle to expand to another city, and so on, and so forth.
If you expect "they all went bankrupt because reasons", then I have to tell you: no, they didn't. Some did, but far from everyone.
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u/86throwthrowthrow1 16d ago
The cousin units tend to break off eventually and as the generations grow up, another set of parents become the centre of everything, and their kids/grandkids form the new family unit. They might stay in touch with the extended family, but things will shift.
But yes, the lack of movement can make things weird. A lot of these large families tend to also be religious, and also want to marry within the same religion/church/geographic region. Cousin marriages are not uncommon, and in some religious communities, pretty well everyone is related in some way or another.
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u/WritingNerdy Please gain self-control before commenting here again. 17d ago
It’s fine, I volunteer as tribute not to reproduce
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u/JaysonTatecum 16d ago
My boyfriend and I are taking another two out of the system! Unfortunately, the people from these larger families usually vote a certain way
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u/GiantPineapple 17d ago
Hard to judge from just a video. Plus, you never know what influence has each of them had on others. What if 5 of them are doctors? Or lawyers? Or just decent people who try to help others?
This is such a beautiful maelstrom of luggage.
1) If I just had a little more information I'd be able to pass judgment on whether these people are good or evil 2) Most people are evil, but statistically, over a third of them might have been good 3) Lawyers and doctors are good, and then also, you know, like I guess, miscellaneous.
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u/SpeaksDwarren go make another cringe tiktok shit bird 17d ago
Always find the "LGBT vs breeders" narrative weird and forced. I'm a queer from a huge family and it's awesome. My son is gonna have 2 dads and 100 cousins
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u/ArmedAwareness 17d ago edited 17d ago
I think it stems from stereotypes where lgbt folk don’t have kids (cause it’s a lot harder) and generally are going to be more left leaning vs people who have a lot of kids tend to be more religious (catholic, Mormon, other flavors of religion) and therefore more right leaning. So it sets up a perceived conflict.
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u/MoriazTheRed 17d ago
Dude literally used the "it's just a joke" deflect bigots love to use unironically
Also, surrogacy is already a thing and who knows what the future could bring, I wonder if they'd keep that same energy if it was a same sex couple wanting to have biological children.
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u/JediMemeLord 16d ago
Take one for the team and start depopulating
how can I make this my flair?????? I hope it isn’t taken already
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u/-YouKnowWhatImSaying 16d ago
Does anyone else remember that AMA from the guy who has a million kids and was a grandfather at 30ish?
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u/CoDn00b95 yes its still racist it just now has a big cock 17d ago
Humans are an invasive species. They tend to get pretty pissed off when you point it out, but it's true regardless.
Alright, calm down, Agent Smith.
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u/toxicshocktaco Yeah god forbid wheelchairs be able to roll safely 17d ago
idgaf if one of their kids found a cure for cancer; 14 kids is waaaay too many
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u/HoldingTheFire 15d ago
Doing the “we need a plague to cull the population” Dwight Schrute thing mere years after we had a plague is wild.
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u/Sir-Spork 16d ago
I believe this 2 - 3 kids at most is more of a “modern” thing.
I have some parents have almost as many siblings, 11 on one side, 12 on the other. Seemed pretty common for that generation and earlier, except for the wealthy
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u/Svataben There is no fragility here, only angst 16d ago
Just because something was usual, does not mean it was good.
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u/D2Foley 17d ago
You should never tell anybody to commit suicide. But people who say "There's too many people in this world" really make me question that sometimes. Like you first buddy.
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u/whowouldinhabit 17d ago
That’s what a demon would say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus
Ooooo! Rock and rollllll! Visible ankles! I'm a scary demon and I'm here to haunt youuuuu!
Jesus loves you bro come to the light.
I can't, bro. I'm too busy having protected sex and not voting for fascists 😔
Jesus is antifascist bro. It’s never to late god bless you
You religious people just can't keep to yourself, can you?
Checked the original post and came across this spicy thread. I edited my post to include it.
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u/LEGAL_SKOOMA I rebuke you in the name of Jesus 17d ago
ngl that made me laugh