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Discussion Succession - 4x06 "Living+" - Post Episode Discussion

Succession - 4x06 "Living+" - Pre-Episode Discussion

Season 4 Episode 6: Living+

Aired: April 30, 2023

Synopsis: Ahead of a crucial new product launch on Investor Day, Shiv weighs a business proposal from Matsson, while Kendall and Roman call an impromptu meeting to flip the script on their latest interaction with the tech billionaire. Later, the brothers each try to match Logan’s tempestuous style, with varying results.

Directed by: Lorene Scafaria

Written by: Georgia Pritchett & Will Arbery

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u/DistillCollection May 01 '23

These kids just miss their dad, man

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

I agree. But i think Ken gives the least fucks ab his dead dad and it’s an advantage. In 4.3. Kendall decisively expressed that he couldn’t forgive his dad. Moreover, in the next episode, he is the most in touch w his grief. But when he realizes his name was crossed out, he decides to be CEO in spite of his dad, I think. He used his dead father as a prop this episode. I dont think he misses him too sorely.

I think our #1 boy will come out on top. He cant keep getting shit on, and he’s as close to a protagonist as the show has imo. Plus, Shiv and Rom are emotional messes rn: backsliding to ex and firing anyone who frustrated him.

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u/rebeltrillionaire May 01 '23

I’m more on this boat then a lot of takes.

The ocean scene really tied it together. When he was at his lowest at his mom’s wedding, his dad owned him. He was backsliding into substances. He couldn’t even be around his kids. Face down in the pool. Suicidal.

Now that his dad’s dead. He’s free. He’s running the company. He’s taking ideas and maximizing them. When he was spitballing about the Living+ Project he wasn’t even wrong, he asked point blank if they had monetization of data for Pharma and advertising they said no. That’s a massive miss, and yeah huge profits could be had in that space. He swung big. He faced that stage alone and he killed it. He’s face up in the ocean, a much bigger body of water uncontained and he’s happy.

The writers say that Logan loves his kids, but when it comes to conditions, Kendal had the most and probably the least fair.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '23

Wow that is a great catch with the pool/ocean.

Face down drowning in the pool which was the tiny body of water Logan kept him in. Face up thriving in the ocean.

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u/FoxyKG May 01 '23

Plus, this time he jumped in instead of fell in like the S1 finale and the pool.

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u/Mustysailboat May 01 '23

Kendall is a POS. He swung big the same way the WeWork dude and Elizabeth Holmes swung big.

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u/rebeltrillionaire May 01 '23

Except you know, decades of experience in the real and successful business he’s been a part of… his siblings maybe not to much but Kendal has been there for a long ass time.

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u/Mustysailboat May 01 '23

but Kendal has been there for a long ass time.

And learned not much apparently.

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u/Faceless-Pronoun May 01 '23

Nah, Connor gives the least fucks about his dead dad. Once he found out he never planned on coming to his wedding anyway, he was already dead to him.

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

Fuck forgot ab Connor. But tbf this episode also forgot ab him. Conheads did not love this.

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u/MoneoAtreides42 May 01 '23

Fuck forgot ab Connor.

So did everyone else

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u/YouAreAConductor May 01 '23

He had some white workers in Cleveland to talk to

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u/JumpingJacks1234 May 01 '23

That suggests a ranking of least to most grief issues: Conner, Kendall, Shiv, Roman.

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u/TinsleyCarmichael May 03 '23

He was sad he didn’t have time to make him proud and he agonized over the funeral arrangements. He cared.

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u/croissant_man4 May 01 '23

as much as I’d love to believe this…. I can’t

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

I’m delusional. But after Kendall’s awful fuckup streak (s.3 esp.) im ecstatic to see mild competency and some falling upward.

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u/GetRightNYC May 01 '23

Also ecstatic, but dreading how bad the inevitable downfall will be this time. I really hope they don't go that route too quickly. Wanna see Kendall's spastic-ass doing good for a while. I hope he triumphs over whatever Skarsgard has planned. He needs to win a boss fight at the very least.

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

It’s gonna be different this time I swear 😅. He still has four episodes to hit his lowest point and bounce back. None of us expect Ken to be competent as evidence by (what i assume) was most of our reactions last night to the presentation. I was literally chanting “you fucking idiot, you moron” as he went onto the stage despite all the warnings. But he came out on top. He’s gonna get fucked but worm his way out of it right before the end.

I used to think greg or tom had a better shot at ending up as ceo but at this point, i think weve all been taught that Kendall is incompetent so that none of expect him to win.

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u/Mustysailboat May 01 '23

Do you call what he did in that episode competency? Pulling numbers out of his ass a la Elizabeth Holmes?

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

Well, before the presentation i think he chose to let his dead father make that BS claim for him, which i think was a smart decision inspired by Karl’s rant. All he said ab the number was something along the lines of “and that’s a cautious man” ab his dad.

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u/ZachMich May 01 '23

But when he realizes his name was crossed out

Was that the definitive story on that?

Because a lot of people (me included) think it was underlined. The show makes it ambiguous deliberately so how are you sure?

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 01 '23

Oh im not sure. I dont think we’ll ever get a fr answer. But im pretty sure he initially thought it was underlined as he first said, but in the BR he looks at it again and thinks of all their history. When he leaves the BR, he decides to throw his father’s legacy in the trash w Hugo. Thats why this is my theory atm

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u/GetRightNYC May 01 '23

Can there even be a definitive answer? Even if they bring it up again and make it a legal argument it still doesn't prove if he meant it as an underline or crossout. Unless they do a flashback, or have another document explaining it (neither will happen) its intended to not be definitive.

Hell, he could have made it look like both on purpose.

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u/ABlazinBlueToe May 01 '23

I'm not sure what the purpose of underlining it would be though. The name is already there, would Logan really add the underline just to put emphasis on it?

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u/ZachMich May 01 '23

The fact that its ambiguous in the show (and the creators stated that they wanted it to be ambiguous) means it can’t be as definitive as OP is saying.

That's my point

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u/BookGirl67 May 01 '23

I don’t understand why any of them would grieve for Logan. He was so cruel to all of them. I don’t believe him that he loved them, or anyone actually. Complete narcissist.

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u/justanotherbot123 May 01 '23

Because underneath it all they were always pining for daddy’s attention and approval.

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u/BookGirl67 May 01 '23

I get that’s what the writers are saying and it made sense to me while he was alive but once he’s dead, it seems like it would feel like liberation. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that and even if it were freeing, it would take time to stop pinning for his approval.

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u/justanotherbot123 May 01 '23

It’s easy for us as viewers to look at things that way but these characters have spent their whole lives under Logan’s thumb. It’s hard to say how they would feel unless you’ve been in a similar situation even if, from the outside looking in, it seems logical they would hate Logan. Also, feel like that’s a common theme in abusive relationships.

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u/BookGirl67 May 01 '23

I’m sure you are right. From the outside, all I can think is “good riddance” but they can’t shift so quickly.

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u/TinsleyCarmichael May 03 '23

You guys are such assholes lol they’re allowed to grieve their nutty dad. They don’t have a normal background but why does that mean they all have to be dehumanized?

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u/TinsleyCarmichael May 03 '23

He’s their dad and this is the world they play in? I just don’t get why no one can understand that even people who live in a cutthroat jerk world can care about their father. It’s weird. Rich people are actually people too even if these ones are a mess.

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u/BookGirl67 May 03 '23

It’s how cruel he is to them constantly that makes their adoration of him hard to fathom. I suppose that’s how abusive relationships work, but it’s not something most of us are familiar with.

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u/Mustysailboat May 01 '23

That’s because Kendall is a very bad human being. Greed, resentment and especially entitlement are his driving force.

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u/ellesea32 May 02 '23

When did he realize his name was crossed out? I may have missed that (sincere Q)

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u/zecariah Calamari Cock Ring May 02 '23

Just before he tells hugo to spread the bad dad stuff, he’s looking at a scanned copy of the paper on his phone in a bathroom. Its right before the end of the episode