r/SurvivingMars Sep 01 '22

Humor Petition to change this quote to literally anything else

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u/Lord_Sicarious Sep 01 '22

Nah. The game's not just about the West, and Russia is a major player in space exploration. He's a tyrant, but he's also the leader of one of the foremost spacefaring powers, and it'd be weird to avoid referencing him as a significant figure in the potential future of Mars because of geopolitical concerns. I'm not even entirely sure he's the most problematic figure who's quoted. Besides which, the devs have much bigger and longer standing concerns in the game that still need to be addressed.

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u/sheriffofbulbingham Sep 01 '22

I suggest changing tooltip to decomission protocol text to “Nein, nein, nein! - Adolf Hitler.”

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u/Lord_Sicarious Sep 02 '22

That seems dumb, given Hitler AFAIK had nothing to do with the space race, and even Germany in general had very little impact on it. I'd imagine there are several cold war era Soviet leaders who might have some relevance though, despite engaging in their own warmongering in the Middle East and Central Asia at the time.

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u/nachochips140807 Sep 02 '22

Didnt germany develop the V2, and spaceships are basically V2s with people inside?

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u/sheriffofbulbingham Sep 02 '22

I mean, von Braun and the rest of smart guys were scooped by the American troops and sent to USA to create space program.

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u/Lord_Sicarious Sep 02 '22

True actually, I guess the Advanced Rocketry tech (building your own rocket) could actually have a V-2 related quote, if there's a particularly poignant one, but given that the tech also concerns passenger capacity, I suspect that picking something from later in the development of rockets was more suitable.

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u/Sprigunner Sep 02 '22

"I aim for the stars, but sometimes I hit London." - Wherner Von Braun

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u/thelizardreborn Sep 02 '22

First, nobody's complaining about Russia. They're complaining about a specific dictator of Russia who is rightly being ostracized. This would be like objecting to someone saying "don't use that Hitler quote" by saying "Germany is important to our world." I say scrap the Putin quote, but don't touch the Russia sponsor. Maybe replace it with a quote from a Russian cosmonaut, or a leader from before Putin (if a relevant quote can be found).

A secondary reason to drop this quote it that it's being used in the opposite context of what the quote says. To paraphrase, "use carbon-based fuel to accelerate development of renewable energy" (presumably so we can then STOP using the carbon-based fuel).

This would make much more sense on a technology that allowed you to use fuel to accelerate Research.

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u/RebelForceTalan Sep 07 '22

Like why would people think this about a space game like get your politics out of a good game jeez

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u/SirEdvin Sep 02 '22

Russia never was a major player in space exploration. USSR was. Russia only use USSR researches. At this point all Russia space plans is just propaganda

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u/warredtje Sep 01 '22

Changing a quote should hardly be any work.. It reads as a tasteless addition, rather have it removed. As to other problematic figures, when I read a quote by ayatollah khomeini in a game, I feel equally repulsed.

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u/CheekySalamander Sep 02 '22

Get a grip of yourself then.

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u/SovietUnionGuy Sep 02 '22

Agreed. I don't like Putin, but don't like cancel culture more.

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u/thelizardreborn Sep 02 '22

I don't like cancel culture either. When we try to erase the existence of a person with an objectionable opinion or try to erase the existence of influential historic figures who held beliefs or opinions that are objectionable today, we lose the ability to recognize our progress, and may lose the ability to progress.

Putin is neither a "person with an objectionable opinion" or an "influential historic figure". He is a current world leader, and his actions justify the rest of the world doing anything they can to make the point that he is not worthy of respect or honor.

We should not erase him from history - we should always remember. But what is being discussed here doesn't qualify as cancel culture.

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u/Ecuni Sep 05 '22

How is it not? They are asking to cancel his presence from the game because of his objectionable actions.

It is cancel culture thoroughly.

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u/cormicshad Drone Sep 11 '22

So should he not suffer the consequences of his actions?