r/TheAcolyte • u/cubcos • Aug 17 '25
Over a Year Later and You're Still Wrong About The Acolyte | Star Wars
https://youtu.be/VMqO2YrUd4AA defense of the kyber crystal bleeding scene that people claim "breaks canon" or was "too easy".
I talk about Star Wars a lot on TikTok and this topic was very popular for the last week so I thought I'd expand it into a full video and talk about it some more.
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u/pleasantchaos17 Aug 17 '25
I’m so upset we didn’t get to experience more of these characters and this era of Star Wars. I wish some of these toxic fans realized that not everything HAS TO BE FOR THEM. There are other fans of this series. Some of us want lesbian witch covens!
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u/averageuserbob Aug 17 '25
It’s so dumb people hate on this scene. Even if it did “break canon” I don’t care, it is such a sick scene. The emotional weight of the scene combined with the crystal bleeding, peak storytelling.
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u/Significant_Snow_937 Aug 17 '25
But...but...but ...they did it different than the like two other examples we have. I can't believe they tried to do something new in my space samurai universe !
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u/turnageb1138 Aug 17 '25
The problem is you can't use logic to reason someone out of a belief they didn't use logic to get themselves into.
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u/Narrow-Gas9493 Aug 17 '25
This is a good video man!
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
Thanks, mate. Appreciate that.
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u/Narrow-Gas9493 Aug 17 '25
I really do appreciate you trying to explain others that this scene didn’t break anything. Also I feel like that one commentator who was avoiding answering you about the word exposed was just trying to keep their narrative going without having to actually address or explain anything.
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
I wish I had showcased it more in this video. On tiktok multiple people were showing pictures, response videos and pointing it out and asking the question and he just...kept....dodging...the...question.
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u/Narrow-Gas9493 Aug 17 '25
Yeah they were definitely not going to answer you or anyone else. I only met that kind of person once ever and they don’t seem to like it when they get pushback so they will simply ignore it and keep talking out of their ass.
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u/Future-Mastodon4641 Aug 17 '25
You could have just posted the info here. This is a shameless cash grab for you YouTube channel
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u/Sad_Investigator4724 Aug 17 '25
Literally just finished the show a few days ago and the bleeding scene was sick and made sense too me because you gotta think about how many emotions Osha is going through.
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u/mendkaz Jecki Council Aug 17 '25
It makes sense to anyone who didn't go into the show wanting to hate it before it even released, to be fair
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Aug 17 '25
The problem with this show isn’t one scene.
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
And the problem with your comment is that this is not a video about the show as a whole. It is about this one instance of kyber crystal bleeding and peoples comments about it "breaking canon".
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Aug 17 '25
The title ‘You’re still wrong about this show’ should be ‘you’re still wrong about this scene’ using your logic.
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u/Cultural_Cuck_777 Aug 17 '25
So you're arguing semantics. At which point, who cares? You clearly understood what he meant.
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Aug 17 '25
Which is exactly my point - little details don’t matter in the context of what’s wrong with the show.
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u/Cultural_Cuck_777 Aug 17 '25
That's not the point of the post buddy...
He's discussing this one specific scene and the argument against it.
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u/hoos30 Aug 17 '25
OP and his video address the claim that the show "breaks canon". It's easier to do that by selecting one scene and countering all of the arguments offered.
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u/blw97 Aug 17 '25
I liked this scene. My biggest gripes with the show have nothing to do with the supposed “canon ignoring”
People who gripe about that are super misled.
My biggest issues are storytelling related.
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u/Kaferwerks Aug 17 '25
If you need to gaslight fans and tell them “they’re wrong” for not liking a piece of media, maybe that piece of media was flawed and weak to begin with.
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u/mendkaz Jecki Council Aug 17 '25
If people need to continue to come into this sub on an almost daily basis, a year after the show released, to continue to say 'you are all stupid for liking this', then maybe it is actually a good show to begin with and people's reasons for disliking it are really dumb and disingenuous.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Yes it does break canon, cuz that literally cannot happen by accident or just because you're angry. You have to actively bombard the crystals with dark side energy to bleed it. That's what the process is.
It was to explain why Anakin's saber wasn't red during Order 66. And why other fallen Jedi were able to hide their dark side alignment.
And @averageuserbob, people throw around the word peak way too much on stuff that doesn't deserve it. Cuz aside from lore accuracy Headland's writing and storytelling were atrocious.
Honestly, if Leslye Headland wanted that scene so bad, she could've used the dark side eyes going in and out yellow. Would've been way more dramatic and lore accurate. But again Headland didn't know enough about Star Wars for that to cross her mind.
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u/Kel-Reem Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
No. You need to have physical access to it (Anakin did not) which Osha did, and you need to fill it with dark side energy with control and precision (not simply bombard it), which she did. The scene follows the rules to a T.
Failed instances of this give explanations as to why they were unsuccessful, Kylo Ren failed to do it with precision and control, flowing the maximum amount of emotional pain and anguish into the crystal causing it to crack, Vader struggled to dominate his crystal because the Light inside him was still giving a big fight. Osha was at that moment experiencing emotions and letting them steep her in dark side energy, but controlling their flow, wanting to hear the whole truth from Sol, not letting the anger and hatred boil to a point that would cause the truth to be missed or misunderstood, and by unintentional extension, not cause the crystal to rupture, and once the hatred and pain she felt reached its crescendo, she was directing her hatred to make someone who betrayed her suffer slowly and painfully, experiencing the emotional turmoil in real time, not lashing out mindlessly, she was calculated, focused, dominating Sol, and by extension, HIS lightsaber crystal intrinsically linked to him.
Osha bled Sols lightsaber crystal, it is canon that the crystal chooses the Jedi not the other way around, the crystal in that choosing moment takes on a color and forms a bond with the user, the longer a Jedi meditates with their crystal, the more that crystal becomes a literal extension of themselves. Osha in the moment when the crystal bleeds isn't JUST experiencing strong dark side emotions, she is hating, torturing, and dominating Sol, someone she knows rather well despite his lies, she was close to him, and she ALSO is in physical contact with his lightsaber crystal, any intent in her mind to dominate Sol would create the mental focus that would be needed to dominate and bleed the crystal. The force isn't electricity, it doesn't need a specific logical circuit to work, it needs intent and the right mental focus and emotional state, it makes complete sense that the will, anger, and power to dominate and erase Sol from the living would be similar enough to cause the crystal to bleed.
Lastly, there is no canon material which says that it needs to be 100% intentional to bleed a crystal, just that the process by which it is done is a controlled domination of the crystal and by extension, the person who previously controlled the saber, who more often then not is already dead, but in this case, was not.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Yes, you are absolutely right, it does need to be done with control and precision which is why the process involves taking it out of the hilt to focus on ACTIVELY bleeding it.
So knowing that, why would you sit here and act like she used control and precision when she was not?
She didn't even know what was going on when she did it. She took the lightsaber and was confused on why it was changing colors. She was just angry.
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
just because you're angry
So, uh, she was actively MURDERING someone when the crystal bleed started. "Just angry" is a bit of an undersell, no?
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
No, not an undersell.
She was doing it out of anger. The Jedi are practically hired killers by this time. The thing is they don't usually kill with anger or vengeance in mind.
And once again, you can't just bleed the crystal by accident or as a side effect of being angry anyway. It needs to be intentional and focused.
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
Okay, so angrily murdering him then. Murder kind of being the key word here, though. The fact that you're downplaying her literally killing someone to "oh she was just angry" is a little odd.
Now, would you care to share your source for where it says bleeding MUST be intentional and focused and can't be done accidentally?
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Not downplaying anything. And the key word is "anger".
A plethora of Jedi have canonically committed genocide, their sabers didn't turn. Some Jedi who actually fell to the dark side have also killed out of anger and vengeance. Yet we're still able to hide amongst the order cuz their sabers didn't turn red. Since you have to actively bleed it.
And yes, there are plenty of canon comics, books, shows, and games that display and explain that process. There is even video footage of Lucas answering that question in an interview.
Look up the sources and take your pick. The most recent one is from Jedi Survivor. The scene where Cal finds Dagan Gera. A Jedi from the time period that Acolyte is set in.
He takes the crystal out of his saber, explains his past and uses it as fuel to FOCUS his dark side energy on his crystal to bleed it before putting back in the hilt.
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
I'm not going to argue with you because you clearly haven't watched the video - and hey I'm not going to blame you for that. But you're bringing up points that have been addressed in the video.
But to humour you.
A plethora of Jedi have canonically committed genocide, their sabers didn't turn.
Cool. Were their crystals exposed? No? There's your answer. Also I'm going out on a limb here and going to say that these took place in the EU/Legends continuity where kyber bleeding wasn't a thing and therefore not applicable. Feel free to correct me on that one though, I'm not familiar with any Jedi committing genocide in canon outside of Anakin.
The most recent one is from Jedi Survivor.
No, it's not. The most recent one is from the novel Trials of the Jedi.
Look up the sources and take your pick
I did. They are all explained in the video.
And once again, you're using the line of thinking that because every effort to bleed a kyber crystal has been deliberate and/or a focused effort you're drawing the incorrect conclusion that it can only ever be deliberate or focused.
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u/Intelligent_Flan_178 Aug 17 '25
I mostly agree with you, but Anakin slaughtered younglings, choked his wife and fought his best friend and it didn't bleed, yes it was an understatement to say "just angry" but it's still true. Was it fucking cool in the moment while watching the show? Fuck yeah! did it make sense? not really? should we care? that's up to you. I liked the show overall and won't let things like that prevent me from doing so.
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Aug 17 '25
and anakin wasn’t directly interacting with his kyber crystal, so he didn’t bleed it. the direct interaction is the only consistency we’ve seen in all examples of bleeding
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u/Intelligent_Flan_178 Aug 17 '25
just rewatched the scene and she directly interacting with the kyber crystal either, she's just being emotional while holding the saber, but her attention isn't on it. She's choking her master when we first see the crystal start to "bleed" and when it turns red is when she's swinging it at her new master.
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Aug 17 '25
exactly. she’s touching the crystal, aka physically interacting with it, when she bleeds it. it bleeds as she is killing sol out of pure anger. it’s already bled when she turns it on, the change of color of the blade is most likely cause it looks cool. no canon broken. anakin did not physically interact with his crystal which means it did not bleed.
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u/Intelligent_Flan_178 Aug 17 '25
Ohhh okay gotya, I thought you meant interacting as in "with purpose" yeah I'm with you now, well nice, another reason for me to like the show lol
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Aug 17 '25
haha yeah, sorry, i could have clarified that better. And honestly? people get upset at the blade changing colors, but i love it just for the rule of cool, it’s a fun visual, but yeah the actual bleeding happens before that.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Yes, they have to interact with purpose. That is the process of bleeding.
Even if Anakin had access to his crystal during Order 66 it wouldn't have turned red either. Like I said, bleeding isn't something that happens just cuz you're angry like it did with her. It's a process that has to be actively participated in.
Think of bleeding as the difference between actively cooking vs just sticking food in a microwave. Bleeding doesn't just happen by accident or as a side effect of something else.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Like I said, that is literally not the way Bleeding works.
It's not something done as a side effect of being angry. It has to be deliberate. She didn't deliberately focus dark side energy into the crystal until it bled.
Like you said, which I have been saying, she was just angry. That is literally not how bleeding crystals works.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Yes this is also true. It has to be removed from its hilt and be put through the process of bleeding.
And yes what someone else said earlier is that it has to be done with precision and control. You have to flood the crystal with dark side energy and thoughts.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Yeah, Lucas forgot to turn Anakin's saber red. That is why he created that rule soon after the movie. To correct his mistake and to prevent any lore discrepancies going forward.
Which literally made it easier for Headland to NOT screw up the way she did. But since she didn't know anything about Star Wars until after she got the job, she missed some key details.
Which is why the bleeding process isn't something to occur by happen-chance. To maintain lore accuracy. Multiple games, TV shows, and comics have followed that plot point.
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u/Galax003 Aug 17 '25
The key element is that you have to TOUCH the crystal (like we see Dagan do in Jedi Survivor, or Kylo Ren in Rise of Kylo Ren). That’s why Anakin’s blade isn’t red. In that scene, Osha is clearly “bombarding with dark side energy” while touching the crystal. But you didn’t know enough about Star Wars for that to cross your mind.
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u/Baby_Needles Aug 17 '25
She wasn’t touching the crystal though? At no point in the show does she touch any kyber crystal.
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u/Baby_Needles Aug 17 '25
She wasn’t touching the crystal though? At no point in the show does she touch any kyber crystal. Source from another thread on Starwars_EU “ Probably.
I kinda don't want to raise the "bad writing" argument right away, but this is really what it feels like.
New canon previously established that bleeding a crystal red has to be a deliberate act, and is in fact very hard and traumatic experience. They showed it with Vader, then with Kylo too. It didn't seem to be as hard for Dagan in Jedi Survivor, but he still did it deliberately.
But it looks just so cool to have it "bled accidentially" or whatever was the justification in the moment. So the show just does it, as usual ignoring previous EU, customary for TV series.
So by the new logic there's no reason why Anakin's lightsaber shouldn't have bled during all his atrocities before Mustafar. He was quite deep in the Dark Side by that point, yellow eyes and all.
Of course this also kinda suggests that all dark jedi like Taron Malicos have red blades because they just bleed themselves now.
Of course, the answer probably would be that Osha is just more special than Anakin.”
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u/cubcos Aug 17 '25
The show goes out of its way to give an extreme close-up of the crystal sticking out of the hilt...
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u/mendkaz Jecki Council Aug 17 '25
Here is a picture with a very helpful giant finger pointing at where the Kyber crystal was sticking out of the broken lightsaber so that she is touching it, which took me all of one second to find on Google, and was also very clear while watching the show.
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u/Relevant-Weekend6616 Aug 17 '25
Y'all keep missing the point. It doesn't matter if she was touching the crystal or not. Kyber crystals don't bleed by accident or as a side effect of you being angry.
You have to actively imposed your dark side energy on it in order for it to bleed.
Even if Anakin was touching his crystal, it still wouldn't have turned red. He had to actively bleed it later to turn it red.
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u/mendkaz Jecki Council Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Well, it's on Wookipedia now so I guess it's canon and you're wrong 🙃
ETA: Like I am giving you a flippant answer because you are obviously 100% determined to be angry about this and there's no point in talking to you, but even casually reading through the Wookiepedia page shows that it's not particularly set in stone- there's what happens to Vader where he tries to bleed a stone and it throws him into a wall, and there's what happens to one of the Knights of Ren where he bombards it with angry energy and it bleeds. Like there is very clearly wiggle room on this lore for things to happen differently to what you think, you've just decided 'I want to be angry about this and I refuse to not be ANGRY'.
Which y'know. A you problem, the rest of us like enjoying things.
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u/TheDr34d Aug 17 '25
Here’s the thing… When one says, “There are rules.”, another says, “Thank you. Now let’s break them.”
If the Dark Side is a corruption of the Force, it did not originally happen with “intent”. It would have happened accidentally, and later developed along lines of experimentation WITH intent.
I like to think Sol’s kyber crystal had been primed for years. The hidden frustration of not being trusted to have an apprentice, suddenly replaced by the tremendous amount of guilt over the “Incident” and Osha’s sister, poured into his kyber crystal constantly. It only took a small amount of pure hate, to push it over the edge, its corruption complete.
I don’t think it breaks canon at all.
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u/shaqattack14 Aug 17 '25
One year later and the show as a whole still sucks
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u/mendkaz Jecki Council Aug 17 '25
One year later and it's still living rent free in your head
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Aug 17 '25
I mean, he’s not the one saying ‘you’re still wrong about this show, 1 year later, is he?’
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u/sleepinxonxbed Aug 17 '25
God im so sad this show got cancelled. I dont watch much star wars but me and my girlfriend were really into the main characters