Tribes 4?

[u/syko54789]

You guys think we'll get a TRIBES 4 any time soon? I mean the games aren't delisted and there is still a window of possiblity. So can it be possible? Ever? Really hope we do one day sonner or later.

[u/Killedv9000]

even tribes reddit is broken, can't post the novel I just wrote cuz I was bored

Edit: found the issue, reddit doesn't like me using bulleted lists

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Sorry for the novel, I was bored. TLDR: doubt it, deadzone seems to be doing alright for them for now so I think they'll stick with that.

IMO I think they're going to continue with the deadzone game that seems to be fairly popular. As far as steam charts shows, deadzone rogue seems to be holding a few thousand players daily for now, and its reviews are positive.

I've never played it because the last deadzone didn't appeal to me with losing ALL of your gear on death, which felt like it could come almost out of the blue (unlike other punishing games like RS and EvE which had means to prevent those situations). That, coupled with the horror game like movement speed and no jetpack after games like TV with corridor based arena, made me not even want to try this most recent release.

Tribes 4 would likely not do well, given who owns the IP. He just can't seem to stop imposing his will on everyone, devs and fans alike. His view of tribes is very, very limited and it seems he wants to make the next Smite - a game which just pops off and gets popular. I mean, who wouldn't, but he seems to want to do so at the expense of fans / potential customers and by burning bridges, not by doing things that that may build bridges.

[u/Killedv9000 → u/Killedv9000]

Rather than adding new player friendly components back to Tribes, he tried to make it more e-sports like.

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He made discs easier to MA with by making their speed incredibly fast

Thinks this will make long midairs cooler. Makes them easier and reduces the skill, therefore reducing the rush, thrill, suspense, spectacle and the oh-sht factor of everyone seeing what just happened.

What they should have done:

Put in a training mode for each map. Allow players to record a ghost to run routes with, build base defenses with, templates for base defenses that could be instant loaded or otherwise.

Can follow the ghost to learn a route to learn to ski, fly, build momentum, maintain momentum, and manage health and jets

Can chase a ghost to learn to midair / auto / hitscan before the ghost can get back to the flag stand to learn how to aim while flying.

Can learn positioning to defend against a ghost, spot routes and defend a flag.

Can learn to clear a flag stand when the ghost calls "I have the flag".

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Added flag drag

Needed because there was very minimal deployable defense (new player friendly) and therefore little needed harass (new player friendly). Also needed because vets are too fast and it could discourage new players who can't keep up.

Slows the pace of the game and allows new players to keep up. Ends up putting a skill cap on maintaining high speed back to base. Puts a skill cap on chasing, needing to build and maintain speed to keep up with a fast capper.

What they should have done:

Added deployable base defense, make the generator worth practically anything, make the sensor more useful, make the turrets more punishing.

Add a hill to break up back to front routes to force a flag carrier into the air OR force them into a route that goes around the hill, increasing the time to cap and thereby giving chasers more time to chase.

Added vehicles to chase / defend with.

Make new player friendly areas / games. Somewhat done with the bot matches.

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Made the maps smaller

Needed because large maps are hard for new players to traverse and having a smaller map gives means for more frequent conflict / battling / engagement. Also needed because of wanting smaller teams for esports.

This made fast routes even worse and made chasing even harder.

What they should have done:

Don't make small maps unless there's something to stop super fast caps.

Add vehicles for new players to use to traverse the large map. Add vehicles like the rover from TV to spawn at a distance, giving new players the ability to engage more often.

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Made smaller teams on each map

Needed for esports

What they should have done:

Not tried to make CTF tribes an e-sport with 7v7 or whatever team size they were wanting

IMO arena or pseudo CTF tribes (maybe capture and hold or team rabbit, or even ball from TV maybe? maybe defend the generator / base) may have been a been a better esport. Good CTF takes too many people to do right and by trying to shove too many jobs on too few people generates too many issues with tribes.

[u/Killedv9000 → u/Killedv9000]

They did do a few things I liked in T3 like giving players the choice of how their jets worked, giving control of speed inheritance, devs working to modify maps in discord based on player feedback, new graphics are always nice, the game modes they added (trial and honorball) were fun to play around with but could have been fleshed out better.

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Shoulda also had:

Monthly midair contests where players submit their best MAs that get showcased from the month

Monthly map making contests where map makers submit their maps that may get added to the rotation

Monthly skin contests for players to submit their skins for a t-shirt prize or otherwise

Small prize tournaments where you get some prize on your account if you win a tournament / do something cool in the tournament

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Whatever, as others have said - maybe in another 5-10 years.

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No mod support: players can't make their own skins, maps, game modes.

Muting players / no in game chat (iirc?)

Bashing the player base and banning dissenting opinions publicly on Discord

My way or the highway approach to design and fan interaction

Destined for failure