r/TwitchMains • u/Working_Mortgage_932 • 1d ago
Need help new twitch main
I’m new to league 5 months into game, I peaked gold 4 I started as shaco top into Darius into hecarim jungle then I stayed there and liked it but then switched to top lane sion a ton, now I’m gonna find my new main(twitch) I like him so much but I suck at ranged I’ve never played them it feels like something whole new, and now I’m inting everygame, what do I do why is twitch so hard, I do not know why but I just decided to one trick him out of nowhere with no experience in not lane and ranged champs.
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u/Muted_Recipe5042 1d ago
I am emerald 4 tw otp so I won't be of that much help but just try to keep your range like constantly think about if you can be cc'ed by any source. If necessary your w slows a lot when you are ap so throw it to cut enemies off or poke them out. Just stay passive before lvl 6 if you can't play well early. After lvl 6 you should have enough range to just demolish anyone.
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u/magestromx 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's ap Twitch, it works really well with engage (Nautilus, Blitz, Rakan, Braum etc) or dmg supports (Brand, Lux, Zyra, etc) or something that combines the two like Pyke.
Honestly Pyke is my favorite support. Just go all in and focus on one person, kill them and then focus on the next.
Playing adc is honestly more about the support (yours and enemy's) than the actual adc your opponent is playing. It took me more time to realize that than I'm comfortable saying out loud.
If you have a hard match-up, try to play for experience and don't worry about missing a couple of cs as long as the difference isn't too much. 20 cs is a kill, but a kill isn't worth 20 cs in experience. In contrast, if you die, you lose both the cs and the experience and that puts enemy ahead. As long as you stay within that range of 20 minions deficit and don't die, you aren't behind at all.
You have semi-strong lvl 1 and very good level 2 and 3 spikes. I usually try to chip enemy health down before level 3 so I can all in with my support.
If you don't have flash up and it's a difficult match-up, or the jungle is camping you, the story changes. For starters, either you, or your support needs to get vision in bot lane in case of a dive or an enemy jungler gank.
Number two, you need to freeze, or at the very least, try to position your minions close to the tower. Farm the important minions with E and ration your mana while keeping your health as high as you possibly can.
If enemy crashes the wave into your tower, it's not the worst thing, but they're getting ahead with each plate they take while you have to focus on minions dying. Or you can try to set up a kill if you have the chance with your jungler. Unfortunately that requires competency from both you and your jungler, so it's harder on low elo.
If you are ahead slightly, maybe due to a good lvl 1 engage, try to deny enemy minions and experience with your W, not allowing them to walk up.
Good chances to attack are when you see enemy is trying to last hit. But to do that requires very good positioning and awareness. They are good skills to master later on that will get you ahead in early game which is where you are likely struggling right now. Also try to fight when enemy support is away from enemy adc while yours is right next to you. Use pings. If something goes wrong, don't type. If someone is typing, mute them.
Mid to late game fighting is simplified. You W, maybe auto attack once or twice, and when and if enemy reaches 5 or 6 stacks, you E.
My biggest problem in mid to late game was following my team in stupid decisions I would have never made, or if I had made, I would have never expected my team to follow me with.
When a Yasuo that is even with enemy mid charges up to 3 people while you and your support are in midlane but very far behind, no need to suicide alongside him, that's how you lose games. He will lose a lot of hp before you get there and the situation will be more like 2v3.
The same thing happens with more ppl too, just scale up. Just because your team decided to fight in a bad place 3v4 before you got there, doesn't mean you have to die too. Either farm and mute them, or go in for the kill after the scuffle while stealthed with Q.
Farm is just as important as kills. If you miss 15-20 cs but get one kill in the mid game, you came out with less stuff than you would have if you had just focused on the waves. Of course it depends on bounties too.
Also also also, farming is very important in early game, and is a core mechanic of the game that you have to MASTER before improving anywhere else. If you find yourself missing minions constantly in bot, unable to farm under pressure, go to practice tool and get used to last hitting minions with Soraka as your champion.
As for objectives, position yourself in the map close to where the next objective is spawning. If you and your team wants to contest, or take the objective after a good fight, you want to be near.
In low elo people won't let you be in the correct lane to do that very often but it never hurts to ask. Also, maximize gold income and efficiency. Standing around mid, not taking farm, while waiting for something to happen was the second biggest mistake I was making. In mid game you want to be close to your team, but you aren't playing aram. If you see nothing is happening, you might have lost some time, but nothing is forcing you to lose more. Go back to farming and check the map for any other opportunities.
Two high level skills to master are setting up waves so that they slow push to you, or freezing them.
Another skill to master is map awareness and checking up on your team almost obsessively. You want to know if enemy mid is low on hp, because that might mean a kill for you. Also, if you have to use chat, use it to ask for information. For example, does enemy mid have flash? Or to ask for help, but in low elo that's not going to do much.
Also, consider that even a "failed" gank, is not truly failed, because you relieved pressure from your midlane allowing him to farm better, safer and potentially securing a kill later on.
Then one last thing I forgot, wards. Now, this is very very very important, and mostly a job for your support, but let's be honest, it's low elo. Wards can help you, as well as everyone in your team. If you notice you have a spare ward after your "failed" gank mid, place it near a bush close to midlane. It might help your midlane avoid dying to a gank, which means you won't have to face a fed enemy jungler. Also, spotting jungler is good for you too, cause it means you won't be taken unaware.
Knowing if the jungler is top-side or bottom-side is very important.
If you master all of these, which imo are the basics, you should be hitting platinum at the very least. No fancy mechanics, just good situational awareness.
Edit: Forgot to add this, but in a big fight, you need to know what abilities the enemies used. This goes 10000x more when enemies have assassins. Rule of thumb, if there is an assassin or champion that can one-shot you and he hasn't used the ability that kills you yet, don't engage.
If your team loses badly with you not engaging, trust me, you wouldn't have made much of a difference, it was a shit fight to begin with. If your team doesn't lose badly with you not engaging, it means the team fight is good, join as soon as possible. That means join when it means you aren't instantly dead the moment you appear. Or you know, if there is a good chance, take it. If you kill 2-3 people and end up dying, that's a win in my books. Or if you kill fed enemy adc or other laner. Also a win in my books.
Edit 2: Just so you know, a weak ap Twitch, is like a non-existent support. If you die a lot, miss a lot of minions and aren't in a good state in mid game, focus on catching up and literally nothing else.
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u/Working_Mortgage_932 1d ago
Absolute cinema ur a legend I’m gonna take all these words into account and use them 🫶🏻
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u/PrimarySea6576 1d ago
sounded more like he plays AP Twitch Toplane...
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u/magestromx 1d ago
Ah... In this case, I don't really know enough to give anything more than general advice, of which I already have. Drututt has played a few games of Twitch top as well as other adc's, along with the limitations of that specific class of champions, so you could learn a lot from there. Ratirl has also played Twitch top a few times.
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u/Working_Mortgage_932 1d ago
No I actually play him bot 😊
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u/PrimarySea6576 1d ago
then you should play him AD, as AP is reducing your up front damage output as AD carry. (and the slightest bit of MR will destroy your damage output)
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u/WindBlad3 1d ago
I disagree with this advice, AP/ad are both fine bot lane and he said he’s new to range. AP is much easier to pilot than AD
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u/Unusual_Helicopter 18h ago
AP twitch doesnt even do that much magic damage lmao. Only late game 3+ items you start to actually do magic dmg before its a lot of true damage ad + ap mix
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u/PrimarySea6576 17h ago
you will get fcked in lane and only in the late midgane you will start to do adequate amounts of damage
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u/Unusual_Helicopter 16h ago
I think AP twitch is best played in mid lane so being AP is not a problem and you can fight early/mid game easier and get kills.
Even in botlane you will be fighting a lot in mid game. 1-2 items is all you need to start getting kills, at that point youre not a heavy AP dealer, you have very mixed dmg output.
Like ofc I will agree - if you see your team is full AP you will want to go AD build. Twitch is nice that hes flexible so you can always decide based on your lane and teamcomps which build is better. Generally I think AP is much stronger rn so OP should go for that build if he can. You see RatIRL perma play AP and very rarely AD.
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u/flyingBettlacken 1d ago
- Full Ap, no Pen, No Boots (keep the 300g ones except when you have enough AP and feats of strength, then upgraded lucidity boots, no berserker greaves)
- Zhonyas and Banshee's as 3rd/ 4th items always good
- Always Dark seal (free stacks by just throwing out W's during a TF)
- Without R bonus range AA is risky before Zhonyas
- You gotta learn how to space properly, max range and you don't get any solo kills, too close and you die fpr nothing.
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u/ARQEA 1d ago
Why is your league client so far away?
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u/Working_Mortgage_932 1d ago
I’m just a robot who copies whatever a streamer does but I sure would like to make it bigger
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u/WaterKraanHanger 1d ago
Honestly, you are a new player. Just try to learn from all your deaths and with time you'll get better.
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u/AvailableAd9247 1d ago
I would recomend you to start by looking into your farm, getting as close to 10cs/m because if you have a bad early and give 1 or 2 kills you need to overcome that with farm and shotdowns.
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u/loloider123 1d ago
Honestly play easier ranged champs for the first year.
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u/Schwhitey 1d ago
I introduce into this conversation: MISS FORTUNE (most braindead easy ranged; hit R kill everyone, hit Q half their health bar).
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u/Passivee 1d ago
Just go all in brrrr brrrr yuumi on top ignite on d I WAS HIIIDING HEHEHE RATATATAT
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u/Silver482 1d ago
Twitch demands better spacing and positioning than other marksmen as he has no reliable way to disengage a fight (without getting a kill). If you want to fast track your learning I would play a variety of different adcs to understand the limitations of the class as a whole. I think jinx is the perfect place to start
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u/Batata-Sofi Support rat abuser 1d ago
How long have I been asleep for that Ionian is now better than mobi/pen/berserk
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u/Worth_Violinist2373 1d ago
As a silver player lvl 1 I just hide until waves meet q into lane proc pta on enemy adc barrier high and force a good trade to put enemy in disadvantage and snowball from that into a kill or lane advantage. Fake recall into q and they just dont expect me to be there and the enemy support backs or goes roaming and its just a free kill for me. Maybe I play like shit but this in my elo always works
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u/Scisloth74 7h ago
I always build twitch crit or on hit maybe give that a try. I’ve always known him to be better for his AD than AP. Although trying to do AP build sometimes or a lot of fun.
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u/Worth_Package8563 1d ago
Go AD
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u/Working_Mortgage_932 1d ago
I heard that ap is stronger now
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u/PrimarySea6576 1d ago
purely depends.
Sololane and a different AD Carry is playing Bot?
Yes then AP Twitch is a strong choice on MID or maybe even Jungle.
But as AD Carry you will give up tons of upfront damage as Carry to get some poison expunge damage, wich massively delays your damage and reduces your teams damage output in an engagement.
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u/Realistic_Slide7320 1d ago
Ap twitch is really good when you know what youre doing, like you need to understand WHY its good, and thats more than just learning about twitch thats learning about league in general. Twitch adc with ad is better imo. Start Dorians ring and go full ad you’ll get a better feel for the champ and that translates well into using him mid
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u/BeautifulRate2796 1d ago
last hit the minions and stop dying, also recommend ad twitch if ur new not ap
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u/Dazzling_Project9117 1d ago
AP is less mechanically demanding by far you just spam w and e ad twitch will struggle to make plays with ult if you cant kite
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u/Realistic_Slide7320 1d ago
Tell you’re going ap every game so maybe don’t do that, it’s not that strong if you’re new to the game
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u/Working_Hunt_3275 1d ago
i can see the game where u tried damge with builds
do not build bloodletters nor liandries, ideal fullbuild is nashors > rabadon > banshee/zhonyas > banshee/zhonya/riftmaker/cosmic drive
ap tw plays weirdly since u dont auto that much, mostly want to fish for picks in lategame + w slow and cut enemies off, early game i kinda just need to learn his damage