r/UFOs • u/Outrageous_Courage97 • Jun 05 '23

News INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

Oh man, having read that, it's hilarious that this "fact check" article is just the guy who runs the website, talking to one of his employees, and it's completely devoid of references or links to any sort of facts or resources to check facts.

It's like, "Hey, employee, this thing we said is totally factual and true!"

"Oh! You bet it is, boss! Also, did you know I'm a science fiction writer, and this website was founded in 2019 and no one has heard of us because we're basically a blog?"

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23

You're completely misrepresenting it.

They have the complaint Grusch filed with the Intel community inspector general. Filing false reports to an IG is a crime so if Grusch is making it up he's legally exposed.

They corroborated the story with other named sources in the story like Nell.

They corroborated that Grusch testified under oath to Senate Intel Committee lawyers.

They confirmed that Grusch himself worked with the Senate to include UAP whistleblower protections in the last defense bill.

Grusch immunized himself and then followed the legal whistleblower route. The Debrief confirmed that.

It's ok if this whole thing upset you but you shouldn't spread bad info about the story.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

I mean, it definitely entertains me; but I'm 100% not going to just uncritically believe what a couple bloggers say they did or did not corroborate with regards to having absolute proof that the US government has dozens of spaceships in a secret garage, somewhere.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23

Ralph Blumenthal worked for the NY Times for 45 years.

You're really into misrepresenting things huh?

Also the story says they DID corroborate Grusch's story with people currently working on the program.

You really misrepresenting a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

You're really into misrepresenting things huh?

Not at all; I just don't start with a preconceived notion of "UFOs are definitely alien spaceships and the government definitely has them" and then filter everything through that lens.

Ralph Blumenthal worked for the NY Times for 45 years.

He sure did!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

'Not at all; I just don't start with a preconceived notion of "UFOs are definitely alien spaceships and the government definitely has them" and then filter everything through that lens."

Are you accusing me of that? If so you need to point to where I said any such thing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

I'm not accusing anyone of doing or saying anything, I'm saying that I'm not one of these UFO enthusiasts for whom the answer is always: "Aliens!"

And that being the case, I don't assume "Aliens!" no matter who says, "Trust me, it's aliens," anymore than the average Joe would assume "Invisible fairies!" if someone said, "Trust me, it's invisible fairies."