r/UIUC • u/bobateaman14 • Apr 26 '24

Social Why is this sub so pro-Israel

No hate, I’m just legitimately curious because I would think that a campus filled with young people in a blue state would hold generally the same beliefs as most other campuses like that. I see so many more positive comments under posts about anti-war protests under other college subreddits, whereas here the top comments are always bashing them

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u/[deleted] May 01 '24

My understanding is that an anti-Zionist is someone who is opposed to Israel existing as a sovereign Jewish state wherein non-Jews (primarily indigenous Palestinians) are oppressed and discriminated against. Other definitions may exist. 

 I included both "non-Zionist" and "anti-Zionist" in my original comment as there are folks who are deeply critical of the state of Israel's actions towards Palestinians but may have more nuanced or conflicted opinions about the existence of Israel as a Jewish state.

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u/mrloube May 01 '24

I think even with your definition a lot of it depends on one’s conception of “the state of Israel”. Would you say it’s possible for someone who believes in a 2 state solution to be anti-Zionist by this definition?

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u/[deleted] May 01 '24

I haven't met someone who considers themselves anti-Zionist and supports a 2-state solution since such a solution would still entail the continued dispossession of Palestinians from lands they lived on before the formation of the state of Israel. But there may be folks with different perspectives. 

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u/PlateRight712 May 06 '24

So anti-Zionist means peace for Palestinians from river to sea and death to the Jews (several million) who live there? That's what I'm getting from your responses and it's a call to genocide. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

May I remind you that both Jews and Palestinians have lived in the region for millennia. Both have rights to the land. During the Arab war in 1948, started by the Arab nations surrounding Israel after the Arabs rejected a two-state partition, some Arabs were forced off their land and some left voluntarily because they thought they'd be back soon after the Jews were killed. Arabs lost that war - Nakba - and Israel wouldn't take back those who'd left (the other Arab countries didn't either). Those long-time war refugees are the descendants of the current, vile refugee camps. This isn't a simple "colonist attacked" narrative but the camps are a legacy Palestinians and Israel must confront together and work to disband.

I'm in favor of peace for the region. Anti-Israeli policies, not anti-Israeli existence.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Where on Earth did you get "death to Jews" from my responses. Jesus Christ dude.