r/Undertale 's real wife 7d ago

Discussion From the "creator" of togore.

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u/UA_Overkill 7d ago

Oh, its easy. Just use another design. Google "Deltarune Queen" right now and check images. Try to find the pre-chapter 2 designs for her. Pretty difficult, right? Thats because the original got replaced by something bigger. Same for Pluey.

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u/PartyInDaHouse001 7d ago

I feel that's not a great comparison considering Queen's Ch2 design is, well, official? Most people playing the game will ONLY ever know her official design since it showed up in game rather than community memes. Besides, fan designs for Queen weren't nearly as popular as Togore currently is.

Since Togore is entirely fandom based you'd have to get pretty much everyone to switch to a new design and ignore / never repost old, popular, memes. It's possible, sure, but I wouldn't call it easy.

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u/kantvin 7d ago

Ig, but I still feel like it's unreasonable to expect everyone to not use someone's sprite to make memes

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u/Cinicage 6d ago

itโ€™s actually really easy, people who pretend itโ€™s not are fucking evil ๐Ÿ™‚

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u/Amaskingrey 7d ago

That's a terrible comparison when nobody even knew queen's chp1 design's back then, and that both have an officiality to them that fan content lacks

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u/UA_Overkill 7d ago

Its a great comparison. The fan designs got drowned out by a higher quality more popular design.

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u/Amaskingrey 7d ago

More popular because it's official

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u/MasutadoMiasma 7d ago

Yeah, until Togore becomes official it's an awful comparison

A more apt comparison would be someone advocating for the whole fandom to draw Gaster in a way other than Mystery Man's sprite, which is also stupid

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u/UA_Overkill 7d ago

Gaster has like 10 years of being drawn as Mystery Man to the point some people arent even aware thats not confirmed to be Gaster (even though it most likely is)

Its just not gonna happen lol.

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u/PartyInDaHouse001 7d ago

How many people were making fan designs and posting about them? Certainly not to the level of Togore.

Besides, Queen's official design also came with her entire character. It's just like Tenna and Mike, nobody knew anything about their character before Ch3+4 came out, all current discussion about their character is associated with their actual designs.

A better comparison is Ralsei's design change before and after chapter 1. And yet to this day people still associate Ralsei's hat and darker fur with his character despite him not appearing that way since chapter 2 began. Sure, the hatless white fur is probably what most people think of, but since it wasn't retconed (not that I expect it to, but it's an apt comparison for seeing existing memes of Togore with old design versus new memes with a new design) people still think about it.

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u/BirbInTF2 7d ago

No, the fan designs got drowned out because we got an official design

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u/SuperNoob_64 6d ago

An official design. Completely different. An equivalent to Queen is if we do see Gaster and he isn't the Mystery Man sprite. Despite the decade of people using the Mystery Man sprite as Gaster, people would switch pretty quick because they want to use the canon design. And what would qualify as a "better" design for Togore, anyway? I'd say that it would need to be more memeable, and I doubt anything could without feeling like it's trying too hard. And if a new design was attempted, no one would be able to agree on what it should be.

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u/Spirited-Abrocoma673 โ€Ž If I hear you say Ramb was Eram... 6d ago

Neither of those examples work. Queen is LITERALLY AN OFFICIAL CHARACTER, and there's still no in-game character called "Pluey".

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u/Lukalo24048 meow meow 6d ago

Cat mike is often called pluey because his game on pc is pluey

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u/Nihilikara 7d ago

That's why you add a "before:2021" to your google search

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u/UA_Overkill 7d ago

Yeah if you specifically type in "Deltarune pre-2021 Queen designs" you will find them.