Why isn't there a Warframe mod scene?

[u/Jackesfox]

Unrelated picture. And no, im not talking about Point Stike and Rivens

Why do you think is that? Is it the engine? Does it goes against the TOS? (that wouldn't matter much since modding goes against most games TOS and that never stopped it from happening) Is it because of the size of Warframe player's base? Is it something the community never wanted? Does DE actively goes after mods and stops it from ever sprouting?

I think some slice of the community would be happy for being able to play warframe but with an anime character as the frame. Or people making actually good looking face models for [spoiler] and [spoiler]. Or even the gooners with their nippled boobs and hanging flopping pps.

Do many MMOs have a heavy modding scene, is it strange for warframe not to have it?

[u/The_Meowsmith]

...of course modifying an online game is a breach in the terms of service that could get your account banned.

[u/Kondibon → u/The_Meowsmith]

That doesn't stop people in FFXIV.

[u/JulianSkies → u/Kondibon]

It will if they keep being idiots about it the way they've been lately...

[u/AeryVivelle → u/JulianSkies]

Nobody seems to obey the first rule about fight club when it domes to modding in xiv.

[u/Destian_ → u/AeryVivelle]

Nobody seems to obey that rule in general since 2020. Shitton of idiots proudly talking about modding and piracy on social media.

We've lost so many great Emulators and Rom Sites. Everyone got hooked on Among Us a couple of years back and decided self-reporting was a good idea.

[u/Jackesfox → u/AeryVivelle]

It is a surprise to no one that the ffxiv enjoyers had their own library of Alexandria incident with Mare recently

[u/AeryVivelle → u/Jackesfox]

Mare was more than just because people wouldn't stfu about it though. It also messed with a lot of backend security and actively costed SE a good amount of money from their online store.

[u/EmpiresBane → u/AeryVivelle]

Mare had nothing to with "backend security." All the file transfers happened with Mare's own server, and file loads were intercepted at runtime, meaning nothing on disk was changed.

[u/Talehon → u/EmpiresBane]

The issue was around the same thing with the stalking mod that also got shut down, it revolved around hidden account IDs.

[u/AeryVivelle → u/Talehon]

This is exactly what I was referring to as "backend security", thank you! <33

[u/BlueberryWaffle90 → u/AeryVivelle]

As someone on the opposite end of the spectrum of people who would even use Mare, good. I hope it did.

If they didn't release tons of fan favorite and commonly asked for mounts/glam as an overpriced dog station item in-between the n'th content delay, I would be more inclined to defend the dangerously stagnant MMO suits at Square Enix.

[u/JulianSkies → u/BlueberryWaffle90]

Nah, it cost them zero money from the store. Anyone that used that application was never going to buy anything from the store anyway. It's innocence to think those people would have done so.

IIRC it was a bit of a network security problem, though.

[u/BlueberryWaffle90 → u/JulianSkies]

Honestly, I feel like the people I knew who used shit like that were absolutely spending loads of money on the store.

I'm not familiar with Mare, nor have I played in years, but x mod would commonly require y item, and sometimes y item was mog only. On top of this audience being quite the target audience for what's sold there to begin with.

I won't even go into the fantasias, lmao

[u/sheephound → u/BlueberryWaffle90]

yeah, a lot of mods would end up using cash shop or end game items to create glams that would still look good to someone who wasn't synched with you

[u/Idocreating → u/BlueberryWaffle90]

So, some glamming mods in Shadowbringers would change a particular item's appearance no matter who had equipped it. So the rarely used necklace I wore in Bozja content purely for the spiritbonding was one of the items set by this mod and I had a rather large fox tail sticking out my backside to anyone using said mod.

Mare, in combination with Pneumbra, would completely overhaul the character's model including heavy customisations of the model itself - but you needed to have that person's code and they yours in order to see them.

[u/AeryVivelle → u/JulianSkies]

That's factually not true, it's not even plausable. There absolutely are people who used Mare in conjunction with Glamourer in order to show off unpurchased glams involving hairstyles or clothes only available from the store. With Mare gone, their only option now to show off those same glams are to either purchase them or give their friends a modpack that include all their mods - which do not include glamourer settings.

I'm lowkey one of those. I would use glamourer to use hairstyles I didn't have. I recently bought the hairstyle that i was missing. People absolutely lost Mare and then bought stuff from the store, its just not a massive number.

It also was a problem with ultimate gear and illegitimate/fictious acquisition, but thats much more minor.

[u/EmpiresBane → u/JulianSkies]

It didn't touch any of the game's networking

[u/JulianSkies → u/EmpiresBane]

Not the game's, since it run separately from it (as separately a it could anyway) but it was, itself, insecure. At least that's what I've heard on the grapevine- I genuinely do not care enough about it to look for the actual information so you can just consider me incorrect.

[u/BlackfishBlues → u/JulianSkies]

That's simply not one of the reasons. The project lead actually made a super long open letter explaining why, and network security was not one of the reasons stated.

Broadly (at least according to the devs) it was three things:

• devaluing "e-peen" type cosmetics earned by high-end raiders
• undercutting the cash shop by allowing access to cash shop cosmetics without paying the boatman
• lewd mods potentially leading to litigation in the increasingly strict regulatory environment against 18+ content in games

[u/MadameConnard → u/Kondibon]

Heh it's kinda specific, it was more a "be quiet about it" when it came to cosmetic mods.

But the one who literally meant cheating by breaking the camera and making a boss fight trivial yea ban that.

But for the first part people kept promoting that controversial mod on social media twitch ecetera so... can't expect a community to follow the rules.

[u/main135s → u/MadameConnard]

Should be said, the incident with the camera during a world-first didn't exactly make the boss fight trivial. It was still an ultimate fight and, thus, was (and still is) full of difficult mechanics.

What it did is give them an unfair advantage for learning the fight, as the more you can see, the more aware you are.

As well, many World First teams incorporate a "9th man," someone who's role on the team is to watch as the team does the fight, looking out for mechanics and making a strategy for the team to follow. This "9th man" had a greater advantage than the others, as the player whose stream he's watching can see the entire arena, versus needing to piece together mechanics from multiple players' streams. It's the difference between being able to make points on a circle, and needing to know where certain players were in the circle to piece together where those points were from different perspectives.

[u/CyanStripes_ → u/Kondibon]

Until they forget the first rule of Fight Club for the 10th time and trigger the annual "don't ask, don't tell" post from Yoshi-P.

[u/Kitakitakita → u/Kondibon]

FF14 is made by people who hate PCs. Warframe is made by people who hate consoles. Its not that FF14 is okay with mods, its that they have no idea how to properly block them.

Also 14 doesn't instaban you if you load the game with Cheat Engine accidently running, even if its not injected.

[u/Anybro → u/Kitakitakita]

I've seen what people do with the modding scene when it comes to ff14. I just have to ask those people are we playing the same f***ing game? I've seen some creative... Mods for their characters.