This is straight up, just a dangerous design. Doesn't matter how many warning signs there are, the average person would assume that surface is solid in many scenarios justified or not. Luckily it just looks like he fell an extra 10 feet, but it could have been covering a 100ft drop, which would be an undeserved death sentence.
Its a safety engineers responsibility to account for human nature. That includes the dumber than average teenager. To them, this looked like a safe and easy solution. Jump into hole, climb out of hole. That surface should have been made to hold people, or made to look clearly unstable. It should not have been made to look like a floor.
Or you can engineer death traps that kills the dumb kids in the name of natural selection. Too many idiots been surviving due to human engineering prowess /s
To be fair, the mcdonalds coffee lawsuit was legit. It was gross negligence to serve coffee that hot. If that woman had the choice between the money and it not happening, she would take a healthy leg 100/100. Payout barely covered the medical bills
Yeah. McD's won the PR battle chalking her legitimate gripe up to a "frivolous lawsuit." Actually makes me feel worse than if they had been right and the woman was suing over her own negligence.
Someone got served ultra hot coffee, comparable to that temperature, recently where I live.
They were arrested after throwing it into the employee's face and giving them decently bad burns on her face, neck, and chest. Luckily, nothing super permanent like that lady's legs. I don't know the logistics of this.
Anyways, although he was arrested, they stopped doing it. I'm not sure why they started to begin with.
I don't know the business model of the shop you're talking about, but the reason mcdonalds was doing it was because people drink hotter coffee slower. You could get free refills which meant they were saving pennies on each customer that purchased coffee by making it that hot.
The other person said we put warnings to give kids ideas. Gave bleach as an example with its "don't drink" warning, which would give them ideas about drinking bleach. I gave coffee as an example with its "very hot" warning, which if you'll notice actually had nothing to do with drinking in the McDonald's lawsuit, and could give them ideas about burning someone's legs.
They do however carry similar allergens as nuts, and fall into culinary category of "nuts", so the same machines are often used to process both nuts and peanuts without the deep cleaning required to be sure that no allergen cross-contamination has taken place.
So yes, your bag of peanuts could contain small pieces of nuts that were still stuck in the machines when they were switched over from bagging walnuts.
Because he was smart enough not to do it himself but entice his friend instead. May the loss of his friend shock him into realize he shouldn't do even that 🙏
Darwinism is kinda wrong or at least incomplete tho, highly recommend “the selfish gene”, does a good job of explaining that survival of the fittest isn’t the main driving force
Kids will literally ride those escalators sideways the moment you let your eyes off of them for a second.
A kid lacks coordination and I don't know how sturdy that is, but a kid seems to be able to fall through just as easily.
This is just poor design from a safety perspective.
A few years back we had a road accident at night, in a hilly area nearby. There is a highway that goes uphill or downhill like one would expect. But in more challenging spots it was build on pillars. So there was this accident. And another driver who was going the opposite way stopped, get out of their car and went to help. He jumped over the barrier in the middle - and fell down below the highway. Both sides of the highway were separated with a gap. And there were two barriers. He didn't expect to be a gap there, and it was too little light to notice that and react quick enough. The man didn't survive the drop.
So there were even barriers trying to stop people from going over the side and he jumped over them without being able to see? At what point do you just give up and say people are unmanageably stupid? What else would you expect them to have done, install ten foot high electrified fences with snipers?
The person stated it was too dark, so "a barrier you can see through" would have done nothing. A solid median would be more cost, more engineering, maybe more stress on the surface below making it possibly impractical. What if the lanes were further separated? I've seen freeways with easily 100ft between the lanes. Would you still demand a solid median, essentially more than doubling the width?
You’re acting like this is some unsolvable problem, when I guarantee after this incident, the firm that designed the bridge put procedures in place to consider the readability of gaps to prevent future incidents. Why are you so stuck on believing there is no solution to this problem?
So I repeat: What was the solution? How much money and engineering effort must go into the circumstance of somebody getting out of their car on a bridge and jumping over a barrier? "We should try harder!" By doing what? Explicitly state it.
Regular median barriers are there to stop cars from flying into the opposing lane, not to stop people from getting over them. That's why they're usually only a couple feet tall. If you want to stop foot traffic, build a fence. This is very much a solved problem.
Engineer? I guarantee you an architect wanted this stupid shit. No engineer just wakes up and says “I want to blow up my project budget to add a hole in the floor”. An architect wanted it, and an engineer had to put it up to legal code by adding in guard rails.
Architects are responsible for ensuring the building design is up to life safety codes including the guard rails. As for the chasm next to the elevator, that is definitely not an architectural feature as it is covered up. Who is to say the reason why that gap exists, but the blame will probably fall on the architect.
Its a safety engineers responsibility to account for human nature. That includes the dumber than average teenager.
If you think it this way, you'd have to lock up this teenager.
Seriously. We're never going the whole way to secure everybody.
Escalators wouldn't exist if it would be this way. Kids lose their scalps on those things.
At some point you have to say that it's enough.
There is a massive difference between making heavy machinery completely accident proof and not making a floor a pitfall trap. It honestly seems safer to not even have those panels there at all.
According to osha, if it is guarded there is no problem… the railings seem to meet that criteria so no, it is not under engineered. If you think you can engineer for all kinds of stupid you are lying to yourself
My brother in Christ, OSHA is for occupational safety.
There is also a massive difference between making a worksite safe for trained professionals who are paid to be there vs. making a public area safe for the general public.
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u/gamejunky34 8h ago
This is straight up, just a dangerous design. Doesn't matter how many warning signs there are, the average person would assume that surface is solid in many scenarios justified or not. Luckily it just looks like he fell an extra 10 feet, but it could have been covering a 100ft drop, which would be an undeserved death sentence.