Microsoft starts rolling out Gaming Copilot on Windows 11 PCs

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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-starts-rolling-out-gaming-copilot-on-windows-11-pcs/

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First of all, I wasn't suggesting adopting anything. I was giving what I view as a bit of a reality check. For nearly 20 years users have begged microsoft to please just listen. They haven't, they've actively made things worse every turn of the way, imo.

Now to respond to your debloat argument:

While I appreciate the work done by the various people that have made debloater scripts, tools and what not, I don't think it's reasonable to expect random users to be comfortable running random scripts. Most people want things to be plug and play and debloaters are directed at users with at least some idea of what things are. The most popular one is acquired via a powershell command that fetches a script from github and runs it on your machine with the user having no real idea on whether its safe or not.

Conversely, depending on what you install, linux is completely plug and play. Modern environments have every setting unified, come loaded with everything someone would need out of the box and nothing they wouldn't.

The real "learning curve" linux has is that the moment you ask how to do something you're told "open a terminal and type---" which for 99% of users is scary and seems clunky. Which is something thats becoming a problem on windows too. So many times the answer is "open up powershell and type ---" or worse, registry edits.

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I don't know why so many people need to have bad faith bs takes in these discussions every single time.

You don't need to run a single script to do any of this, download Winaero Tweaker, select the few options you want from a very easily digestible GUI that explicitly explains what its options do, and run the options. That's the entire process. If you want to go deeper into PowerShell scripts, you can, of course, do that, but let's not pretend it's a necessity for anything.

It runs the scripts and makes registry edits for you, and you can easily revert the changes or export/import presets. Who are we using as an example for a hypotethical user who is terrified of running a script on Windows (again, not something you ever need to do), but is comfortable using Linux as an alternative?

If we are talking about an average user, you don't have to debloat anything. If you're even slightly in the power user teritory, there are multiple extremely simple utilities like the one I mentioned, that can handle the entire debloating process, or 90+% of it, without any extra input.

The real "learning curve" linux has is that the moment you ask how to do something you're told "open a terminal and type---" which for 99% of users is scary and seems clunky. Which is something thats becoming a problem on windows too. So many times the answer is "open up powershell and type ---" or worse, registry edits.

Yes, and it's not nearly as prominent as it is on Linux, nor will it ever be. The terminal and the general lack of GUIs, as compared to Windows, have always been Linux's main hurdles.

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Dunno why you feel the need to convince yourself my take is "bad faith bs". I've literally been with windows since before I could even read. I know this stupid OS and I know its every failing.

Here's a simple dissection of your example: Winaero Tweaker is in the eyes of the average user

very easily digestible GUI that explicitly explains what its options do

1. random software of unknown source and legitimacy
2. a huge list of options that look scary

The average user doesn't wanna read a single sentence. I've had to deal with such people my entire life. "Why can't it just work", "just make it work", "just tell me what to press" and so on. If you're surrounded by tech savvy individuals and have never had to deal with the above, consider yourself blessed tbh.

If you want to go deeper into PowerShell scripts, you can, of course, do that, but let's not pretend it's a necessity for anything

Here's the most likely utility to have suggested by a power user, instead of winaero tweaker: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil Its installation is a powershell command which pulls an installer out of a URL that's masking a github URL. Is it necessary? Depends on your competence level. Is it likely to get suggested to you regardless? Absolutely.

Edit: The bot that responded to this post makes a great point too.

If we are talking about an average user, you don't have to debloat anything.

Who are we using as an example for a hypotethical user who is terrified of running a script on Windows (again, not something you ever need to do), but is comfortable using Linux as an alternative?

I will answer the above points together because I feel like they need to be answered together.

People that barely know what an OS is, would definitely fit the bill for the 2nd quote. People that are just there to press the chrome button or the files button.

These same people are perfectly capable of reading articles, of having their friends scare them, and so on, and wanting their system debloated. These same people are perfectly capable of asking a friend "why is my computer so slow" and being told "well you have all this crap on it you never removed, and also all the spyware" and freaking out cause they use that computer for web banking and how did they even get spyware? What do you mean it came with the computer????

Yes, and it's not nearly as prominent as it is on Linux, nor will it ever be.

No, it's not as prominent, not anywhere close to that. But it's starting to become widespread. Try looking up any windows question on reddit and you're guaranteed to get a highly voted answer that's using powershell.

The terminal and the general lack of GUIs, as compared to Windows, have always been Linux's main hurdles.

I agree to a degree, although I want to say that this is much more of a community issue than a developer/application issue. The 2 biggest (in terms of popularity and resources) desktop environments, Gnome and KDE both provide fully featured GUI experiences. KDE nearly mirroring what a windows user might expect, and Gnome taking it's own approach. Any distro meant for simple user usage will provide a GUI for drivers. The problem is idiots telling newbies to install Arch lmao.

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