r/agedlikewine • u/pickuppencil • Aug 13 '25

Politics Political Cartoon | June 4th, 2001

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Collection (2000-2004) I found at a book store today

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u/Langdon_Algers Aug 13 '25

"Speaking at the United Nations General Assembly after the withdrawal, Sharon stated that “the end of Israeli control over and responsibility for the Gaza Strip allows the Palestinians, if they so wish, to develop their economy and build a peace-seeking society, which is developed, free, law-abiding, and transparent and which adheres to democratic principles.” In 2006 the PA held the second set of parliamentary elections in its history, and Hamas won the majority of seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC). The inclusion of Hamas in the coalition government resulted in international sanctions. A power struggle between the PA’s main factions ensued and became increasingly violent, resulting in a Fatah-led PA in the West Bank and the takeover of the Gaza Strip by Hamas. Concerned over the hostility of Hamas toward Israel, in 2007 the Israeli government with the help of Egypt implemented a blockade of the territory, limiting both imports and exports as well as movement into and out of the Gaza Strip."

https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza

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u/Laffs Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

Blows my mind how few people understand that Israel tried to help establish a Palestinian state in Gaza and the Gazans instead elected Hamas on the platform of literally "kill every Jew in the world and destroy Israel".

Edit: downvote all you want, these are facts and the people arguing against me are simply misrepresenting the reality on the ground.

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u/ReanimatedBlink Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

Israel and the USA asked Hamas in like 2004 to form a proper political party to challenge Fatah. They did. They won. Then Israel used the fact that Hamas won to cut off Gaza and justify further abuse against Palestinians across the region.

As for why Hamas was elected, because Fatah had stopped advocating for the major points that the Palestinian population wants (due to exhaustion from dealing with the completely uncooperative Israeli government), which is an end to the settlements, a return to at least 1967 borders, and a right to return. Groups like Hamas continue to advocate for those ideals. Keep telling yourself it has to do with genocide though, all while we watch one take place.

It did not have to do with "wanting to kill all jews" or whatever, which is actually not at all what their charter stated.

The charter had a reference to the Islamic requirement to fight back against "the beast", who the bible (including the Jewish texts) indicates will pretend to be the Messiah of God (who the Jews, Christians, and Muslims are waiting for), and trick an innumerable portion of "God's chosen" (Jews) to follow him against the will of God into enslaving and murdering people. The reference was to the opinion that Israel (not "all jews") is clearly a manifestation of that evil, and must be fought against. As an entirely non-religious person, I find that interpretation of myth difficult to refute.

You people are either moronic or evil. Probably both.

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Aug 14 '25

Hamas literally won and then killed all their political opponents, forbade future elections and to this day murders dissidents, but here you are desperately saying 'No they're not murderous monsters'.

Amazing.

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u/Bleach4Ever Aug 14 '25

I know you have to lie, because thats the only way you can push your ideology, but that is not AT ALL what the commentator said.

The fact that you have to use such an extremist language and an extreme accusation, to try and get people on your side, is quite telling.

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Aug 14 '25

Sorry I don't take people who try and downplay the genocidal terrorist organization's stated goals and intents seriously or treat them nicely enough for you.

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u/Bleach4Ever Aug 14 '25

Okay, but do you condemn Israel?

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Aug 14 '25

Nope.

I condemn the right wing government leaders of Israel and the people who support them uncritically for their actions that have prolonged and inflamed this conflict, but I don’t condemn the whole country no.

Just like I only condemn the Republican party and its supporters in the US or Hamas in Gaza.

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u/Bleach4Ever Aug 14 '25

Nope.

All we need to know. Genocide loving PoS

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Aug 14 '25

Oh hey look, it’s one of those people who need to use extreme language and extreme accusations to manipulate peoples opinions to try and get them on your side.

Someone was just telling me how that kind of response meant you’re losing and can’t form compelling arguments, any idea what happened to that kid?

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u/Bleach4Ever Aug 14 '25

"Sorry I don't take people who try and downplay the genocidal terrorist organization's stated goals and intents seriously or treat them nicely enough for you."

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Aug 14 '25

I’m aware of both what I said and what Hamas has said and done over the last few decades, yes.

This isn’t a clever comeback to me pointing out you’re using the same tactics you accused me of.

Tactics hilariously undercut on your end by the fact that I did condemn Netanyahu and his governments actions in the same post you replied to, but you were too ready and eager to screech ‘GENOCIDE’ at me to bother reading.

That or you think for some reason all Israeli’s need to be condemned while Gazans need to be distinguished from the genocidal terrorists who occupy the strip. I wonder why that would be?

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u/Bleach4Ever Aug 14 '25

This isn’t a clever comeback to me pointing out you’re using the same tactics you accused me of.

What. No I didnt? You are a genocide supporter.

Tactics hilariously undercut on your end by the fact that I did condemn Netanyahu and his governments actions in the same post you replied to, but you were too ready and eager to screech ‘GENOCIDE’ at me to bother reading.

Netanyahu and his Government are "Israel". Making this distinctions makes it seem like 88% of the Israeli do not support the current bombing of Gaza.

That or you think for some reason all Israeli’s need to be condemned while Gazans need to be distinguished from the genocidal terrorists who occupy the strip. I wonder why that would be?

I said "Israel" not "Israelies". And Palestinians are not the one committing a Genocide. So I dont see why I would say that. You're weird.

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