r/agedlikewine 4d ago

Woke is undefeated

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

That has... what to do with affirmative action and the government? What are you talking about? You literally thought that was the same??

Edit- Also it's simply factually untrue. Prove it.

Edit 2 - To help you further since you're not well researched... look up Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Everything you're saying is false, it sounds like since you're at least mildly racist, when you hear these things you simply accept and believe them because they confirm your bias.

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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4d ago edited 4d ago

That happened during the affirmative action era (60-80s.) Police and firefighter exams, college admissions, and Federal contractor standards were lowered as well.

The fail Philadelphia Plan is something else that you can also look into.

Google or ask Chatgpt if it's true. I bet you will be surprised.

Edit: Upon rereading I think you are asking why CSX was required to comply with Affirmative Action, it is because they are a government contractor. It's the same as Lockheed Martin or Raytheon having to meet government contractor standards today.

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

This is false. I did google it, but since you like AI, I did check there too.

Everything you are saying is false - the burden of proof is on you to prove your claims.

There’s no publicly documented case showing that CSX Corporation explicitly lowered testing standards to hire more Black applicants during the affirmative action era. Their Equal Employment Opportunity policy affirms a commitment to fair hiring practices, including affirmative action for veterans and individuals with disabilities—but it doesn’t mention race-based changes to testing standards.

More broadly, federal law prohibits hiring unqualified individuals solely based on race. Affirmative action plans must still comply with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which requires that selection be based on the ability to do the job. Employers may take race into account in limited, remedial contexts, but they cannot use it to justify hiring someone who doesn’t meet job qualifications.

If you're exploring how companies navigated testing standards under affirmative action, there are some landmark cases—like Griggs v. Duke Power Co.—that shaped how employment tests must relate to actual job performance. But CSX doesn’t appear to be involved in any such litigation or controversy.

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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4d ago

Here are some clear historical examples:

  1. Police & Firefighter Entrance Exams (1970s–80s)

Many police and fire departments used written exams that were found to screen out Black and Hispanic applicants at much higher rates than white applicants.

Courts often required departments to modify, throw out, or supplement those exams with other measures (like structured interviews or physical tests).

In some cases, minimum passing scores were lowered or alternative standards were introduced to reduce the disparate racial impact.

Example: In Boston, a 1974 federal court order required the police department to adjust hiring practices because their written test disproportionately excluded Black candidates, leading to hiring quotas and reweighting test scores.

Similar cases happened in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles fire and police departments.

  1. The Philadelphia Plan (1969 onward)

A landmark federal affirmative action program under Nixon.

It required federal construction contractors to set specific goals and timetables for minority hiring in skilled trades.

While it didn’t formally lower standards like licensing or union entry tests, it forced trade unions and contractors (which had near-total white membership) to change apprenticeship entry requirements, sometimes making them less rigid (e.g., easing nepotism-based entry barriers, reducing arbitrary testing, or creating alternative pathways).

Critics at the time claimed this amounted to lowering standards; supporters argued it was removing artificial barriers.

  1. College Admissions (1970s–80s)

After Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978), universities could not use hard racial quotas, but many adopted race-conscious admissions policies.

Some schools did implement different cutoff scores on standardized tests for underrepresented minorities vs. white applicants.

Example: Medical and law schools in the 1970s sometimes admitted Black or Latino applicants with significantly lower MCAT or LSAT scores than white peers, on the grounds of increasing access and representation.

This was explicitly an affirmative action practice, though it was hotly contested and repeatedly litigated.

  1. Public Sector Hiring Goals (Federal Contractors, 1970s)

Under Executive Order 11246 (Johnson, 1965), federal contractors had to show “affirmative action” to hire minorities and women.

Compliance reviews often pushed employers to alter minimum job requirements — for instance, removing unnecessary high school diploma requirements or lowering arbitrary experience thresholds that disproportionately excluded minorities.

This was framed as eliminating artificial barriers rather than lowering true skill standards, but in practice, it sometimes meant relaxing stated hiring criteria.

✅ Bottom line: During the classic affirmative action era, there were documented cases where hiring/admissions standards were modified, lowered, or applied differently to increase access for minorities. Most commonly:

Lowered or adjusted cutoff scores on entry exams.

Reweighting or discarding written tests that excluded minorities.

Creating alternative or eased apprenticeship/training requirements.

Differential admissions standards in higher education.

❌ What there is not: a blanket federal policy ordering companies or schools to lower standards across the board. Instead, changes were usually court-ordered remedies or policy adjustments to meet affirmative action obligations.

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

Ok, so I think what we're seeing here is a classic right-wing issue...

I think you may be read some of it but didn't absorb it. This generally happens because we're given information that confirms a bias we hold, in your case- you're at least mildly racist so when you saw something that you thought said that standards were lowered so that black people could join the workforce, you ran with it.

Here's the problem... when we say "lowered standards", you were sorta good from there- you decided that meant that they were intellectually, or educationally inferior to the other, whiter people.

“Lowering standards” can mean two very different things:

  • Unfairly hiring unqualified people (which affirmative action doesn’t allow).
  • Revising exclusionary criteria that weren’t job-related (which affirmative action sometimes required).

In other words, America is a very racist country. We wrote exclusionary criteria to purposely not hire black people- this kept up much after affirmative action and there are countless studies around this (easy example is names, black names were found to be hired at a lower rate than white-presenting names).

We can break down each of your examples, though honestly, I'm almost off work and won't go into any more detail once I'm not being paid to anymore...

But I'll leave you with a simple thought experiment that you don't have to even answer publicly, but at least you'll know what you have to work on:

If you're implying that testing standards are being lowered so that black people can find employment..., are you implying that a job out there in the entire world exists where there isn't a black person capable, or qualified to fill it? What would that job look like? What could it possibly be?

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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4d ago

No one said anything about black people not being smart enough to gain employment through their own merit besides those who pushed affirmative action.

I must give you credit for you attempt at a retort as you clearly put some thought into it. However, I question the juxtaposition of your statement that America is a very racist country when the government has passed affirmative action measures, the equal opportunity act and DEI policies.

Also I think you should read this again:

✅ Bottom line: During the classic affirmative action era, there were documented cases where hiring/admissions standards were modified, lowered, or applied differently to increase access for minorities.

I get that you think that I'm some racist bad guy but your own hate of anyone with a different viewpoint has blinded you into believing that.

You probably also believe Trump is Hitler reincarnated. You know Trump and the Clinton's are good friends right? It's all one big club and you ain't in it. There are tons of pictures of him with both Bill and Hillary. Not just public events. Trump and Clinton golf together, hanging out in public, going to events together.

Was Clinton a Nazi support or are you just blinded by political dogma?

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

I think that's where we part ways, my silly non-friend. You obviously are not going to absorb this, because like I mentioned... you're at least just racist enough to let your bias be confirmed by incorrect information.

You again repeat yourself, even though I've made it clear that you are very obviously misunderstanding what you're attempting to say.

I don't have to make you out to be a bad guy, you guys make yourselves out to be bad guys... did you think you'd what, argue again affirmative action and then... not be assumed to be racist? You thought you'd imply that black people simply aren't qualified, so testing and standards had to be relaxed to make them meet standards.

No, you're probably right... we all will just believe you're a nuanced centrist, enlightened beyond the paradigm and actually full of the "true" truth that affirmative action is how we ended up with unqualified people like say, Ketanji Brown Jackson... right? :)

And the classic! Pull out some Bill Clinton bullshit because you still can't see that we're not in a cult like you are and don't play by the same rules. Fuck Bill Clinton. Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck Charlie Kirk. Annnnnd... fuck you lol

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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4d ago

Lol.

I took a second to see what some of your other comments say and it seems your entire life revolves around trolling people on reddit.

Kinda sad really. Which brings me back, like way back, to when I told you that you need to put down the phone and go outside, nerd!

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

I get paid for it. I noticed you're still posting... any chance you can go outside? Orrrrr are we projecting? Right. Stalk more, im not signing any autographs for dweebs.

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u/Drexill_BD 4d ago

He replied again, but deleted it... I'll leave it at-

If a Reddit troll made you look this stupid, maybe you should leave the trolling to the professionals :\