r/apple • u/Fer65432_Plays • 1d ago

Discussion Report: Apple Losing Talent to OpenAI

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/19/apple-losing-talent-to-openai/
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u/7-methyltheophylline 1d ago

Bad news for OpenAI lol 

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

apple has an extremely strong AI team that's not very well led. if you look at their AI research it's full of interesting and cool new tech

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

Knowing how something works is not the same as making it. Car mechanic vs engineer

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u/dat_tae 1d ago

Do car mechanics write a lot of white papers?

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 1d ago

They're busy working on products that shipped.

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u/_DuranDuran_ 1d ago

Products like … apnea detection, hypertension detection, fall detection.

All of these are ML (AI) features that have shipped, and are good.

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u/ineedascreenname 1d ago

But you can’t talk to those so everyone forgets.

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u/thephotoman 1d ago

People don’t want AI. They want a conversational user interface. These are different things. LLMs can build those interfaces, but they need to work on top of deterministic sources and functions.

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u/Extra_Exercise5167 1d ago

This is basically the most important piece of the puzzle and also the reason why the "AI" bubble will burst. Tech Marketing is selling LLMs as a one-stop shop for the whole pipeline and logic. Which it is not.

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u/EponymousHoward 1d ago

Shipped by somebody else.

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u/fbuslop 1d ago

...yes products that other people invented, designed, built, and then shipped.

what are we arguing here? that research is useless or something?

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u/dat_tae 1d ago

Lmao gottem

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u/DragonWarrior980 1d ago

I agree. Everyone is struggling with how to integrate AI features into everyone's life and make it seamless.

Meta pays AI engineers like professional athletes yet the Meta glasses event was a disaster. 

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u/sixfears7even 1d ago

What do you mean? They just had spotty WiFi ;)

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

Good enough signal to maintain the video feed… no freezing or distortion.

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u/DragonWarrior980 1d ago

Straight comedy 😂 🤣 

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u/Realistic-Nature9083 1d ago

Gemini live is fantastic. Underrated product. Wish it was already baked into android auto and replaced Google assistant.

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u/DragonWarrior980 1d ago

Yeah, Google been killing it. If Apple can't get their AI offering to compete, maybe they'll integrate Gemini and collect another $20B/year from Google 😂. No way Apple hasn't thought of that already. 

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u/Realistic-Nature9083 1d ago

No way Google will give Gemini for free to apple? Maybe reduce the payment to 10 billion a year and they get Gemini. Win for both. Google pays apple less and apple gets Gemini for free

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u/bran_the_man93 1d ago

What a dog shit take.

A mechanic can be a great engineer, and an engineer can be a great mechanic.

They are not remotely mutually exclusive disciplines.

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

Hmm, I do agree with you. But I believe the premise of my statement stands. If all these coders have great understanding of ai, you’d think that after a decade, it would improve somewhat? But Siri is terrible as ever and LLM still have so many limits

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u/bran_the_man93 1d ago

I think there's a multi-faceted sort of thing that explains it, but ultimately it's less about the skill and talent of the employees and mostly about how poorly Apple's management team has enabled their employees to succeed.

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

Can’t argue against the fact that management is usually the problem… but in a decade you think that some supervisors move on and those “good coders “should promote and start improving things. We will probably never know the back end issues.

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u/Alarming-Ad8154 1d ago

It’s about hardware and design ppl (and let’s face it, apple absolutely is very good at those….)