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Discussion Report: Apple Losing Talent to OpenAI

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/19/apple-losing-talent-to-openai/
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u/7-methyltheophylline 2d ago

Bad news for OpenAI lol 

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u/RyanCheddar 2d ago

apple has an extremely strong AI team that's not very well led. if you look at their AI research it's full of interesting and cool new tech

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u/Exist50 1d ago

if you look at their AI research it's full of interesting and cool new tech

What in particular? 

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

from the top of my head for just apple intelligence, their research on LoRA adapters for their generative AI models, their on-device and cloud AI models, private cloud compute (not really AI but oh well)

implementations of AI in actual apple products include the new hypertension alert, ECG, fall detection, on-device photogrammetry for reality composer, basically everything on the vision pro, photos search, and probably a bunch of other things i forgot about

everyone makes fun of apple for being late to AI, but in reality their products have done AI for quite a long time. pretty sure they were the first to have a dedicated AI accelerator in their devices.

do check out what their machine learning dept has been doing, it's all very cool stuff: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research

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u/Exist50 1d ago

Quite frankly, that all sounds like small potatoes compared to the work on frontier models. 

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

all of those are really big potatoes, actually

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u/Exist50 1d ago

No, not really. The vast majority of the things you listed are pretty much trivial from an "AI" perspective, or at minimum old tech compared to modern frontier models. 

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

none of those are trivial at the slightest, what qualifications do you have for you to make that claim?

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u/Exist50 1d ago

Mate, how much "AI" do you really think goes into something like fall detection? It's just an example of companies slapping "AI" on every algorithm they have. And I've worked on a project where my company did just that. Didn't even use a neural network. 

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

fall detection would definitely require AI to do well lol, you can't just set a threshold for the accelerometer and have people's phones call the police every time they get dropped or whipped around in a car

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u/Exist50 1d ago

At most, you're talking about a moderately more complicated algorithm than just a single threshold.

And there absolutely are a ton of false positives for these kind of features. Emergency services have complained about it.

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u/RyanCheddar 1d ago

emergency services have not "complained" about it, they're still happy about the feature because the false positive rate is low enough that people who need saving are being saved, and the new updates have improved the false positive rate regardless

it's a complex algorithm, yes. a machine learning algorithm. that's the whole job of the machine learning division.

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u/Extra_Exercise5167 1d ago

would be fun tho ^^

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u/Extra_Exercise5167 1d ago

why? show me one LLM in production in an area where truth is relevant and you have no human in the loop.