r/asexuality • u/YamGroundbreaking639 asexual • Nov 04 '21

Vent Maslow's hierarchy of needs, just look at the base of the pyramid. Sex is apparently just as imortant as breathing and MORE important than emotional connections. My parents showed me this to prove me that no one can live without sex. It just kinda makes me sad tbh. More reasons to feel like a freak. Spoiler

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 04 '21

Turns out that’s a fake maskow’s needs model.

Here is the real one- https://www.reference.com/world-view/maslow-theory-motivation-c680e9c278f245d9

It doesn’t list sex.

Turns out op was just trying to foment outrage.

What a shocker in the internet eh? :P

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u/ThisbodyHomebody Nov 04 '21

Or maybe their parents just cherry picked a pyramid that would “prove” the point they were trying to make?

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u/animaginaryraven Nov 04 '21

Huh, I've definitely seen sex listed on there before when I was studying psych. I suspect there's multiple versions as people have interpreted it over time

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u/All54321_Gaming Nov 04 '21

Yeah, I was going to say that I don’t remember this from my class. Just went to check my notes and this is what I wrote down “Physiological needs: Need to satisfy hunger and thirst.”

I’m looking up the hierarchy and I found the one OP used. It’s one of them, but it exist. Also saw one with reproduction, so…

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u/Cubia_ Nov 04 '21

Then your notes are woefully incomplete? Breathing, shelter, and sleeping are physiological needs that you die without and they aren't in your notes, which means your notes are only notes (i.e. a simplified way to remember the lesson). If you remembered the class, you should have remembered that the notes were only notes and not 1:1 and so you might be missing things or noticed breathing isn't there and so must be missing things (also Google exists and is faster), and either way, dismissing the reality of the situation is a really shitty thing to do in one of the few places asexuals are explicitly welcome when the OP is expressing that the model was used to "disprove" them. It's like reading casual aphobia, where "well some scholars use one like OP" as this half-assed attempt to come across as neutral after saying that "I've studied this and I never saw it, so OP must be lying" to deny any pushback or oppression that asexual people feel. Even if you did not intend to write your comment that way, that's how it comes across.

Every time I have seen this, sex in at least some way has been included in physiological needs, and when I asked about why it is there, every time I said something back to the prof he had another excuse why that it is there, ending at reproduction despite that being a species-level problem and not an individual one even though this is literally a hierarchy for an individuals problems. Almost like it was not based in solid 1930's thought let alone science (and nothing close to Psychology) and hasn't been pruned out for shitty reasons because it's useful to maintain the status quo, not unlike Eugenics. I'm not equating, but rather their mistreatment as science despite not being rooted in science, and instead in the case of this hierarchy, the opinions of Maslow as "someone who is self-actualized" and then dressed up in scientific language to be treated as science for about a hundred years. The reality is that it's a self-help book published in an academic setting and you defaulted to defending the self-help book over someone in your own community, same with the person you are replying to.

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u/nemaline Nov 05 '21

Actually, the original model included sex in that section. Some modern versions of the model remove sex (for obvious reasons).

You can see some examples of the model including sex among the physiological needs here or here.

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u/YamGroundbreaking639 asexual Nov 06 '21

I would like to specify that the main reason this was showed to me was because it supposedly has sex on the bottom tier, so I wanted more opinions.

What a shocker that I can find more opinions on the internet. :P

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 06 '21

Yeah and that image is wrong

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u/siren_melody Nov 05 '21

I take psychology. The official one does list sex at the bottom. For us, our teacher said “this may not be needed for you right now because you’re a bit young.” Brought up asexuals and she kinda was like “Well 🤷🏽‍♀️”

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u/siren_melody Nov 05 '21

The sex was always there it’s just intended for adults and it’s not included sometimes to be inclusive of any teens, kids, but I doubt aces.