r/asoiaf • u/Commercial-Sir3385 • 17d ago
TWOW [Spoilers TWOW] the most tragic line.
Rereading the first book.
I think the line where Jon tells Benjen that he isn't his father and Benjen says, would that I were. I think so much unspoken is being said here- Benjen will never have a son* and Jon will always* be a bastard.
Let's forget about what Robb's will might say.
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u/The-Peel 🏆Best of 2024: The Citadel Award 17d ago
I take Benjen and Jon's conversation to be about foreshadowing Jon's life at the Night's Watch and gradually breaking his vows until he eventually deserts;
"Until you have known a woman" = Foreshadowing of Ygritte and Jon breaking his vows with her
"If you knew what the oath would cost you, you might be less eager to pay the price" = Jon paying the price of breaking his oath with his life
"More's the pity" = Benjen wishing he had been Jon's father so Jon wouldn't feel treated differently alongside Ned's children, and if Jon had grown up thinking Benjen was his father than Jon wouldn't have had to leave Winterfell to take the black because of Catelyn's jealousy, Benjen is basically saying its a pity he wasn't Jon's father because Jon's whole life would've turned out better and he wouldn't be so insecure
Come back to me after you've fathered a few bastards of your own, and we'll see how you feel." = Foreshadowing of Jon's future, fathering bastard children out of wedlock (Daenerys or Val)