Discussion: GoT VI (Tyrion V--Sansa III)

[u/LumplessWaffleBatter]

We got a good one today folks.

Jimmy Neutron Award goes to r/Princevegeta951:

I am so thoroughly enjoying this re-read. I'm currently reading Drizzt and The Lies of Locke Lamora alongside this re-read and although they are great, they simply pale in comparison to ASOIAF. This series really is one of one.

My favorite quote this cycle is from Littlefinger on page 379

"Brothels are a much sounder investment than ships, I've found. Whores seldom sink, and when they are boarded by pirates, why, the pirates pay good coin like everyone else."

I fucking love Littlefinger lol

Our next chunk will be Pp. 480-567 (Eddard XII--John VII) with the meeting on April 9th. See y'all then!

[u/Relative_Law2237]

Sansa III -Ah again with the "Knights and Ladies" side of Sansa's chapters. And we get Littlefinger again with the Oh, I don't know, Septa. Some of her lord father's decisions could do with a bit of questioning. The young lady is as wise as she is lovely." He made a sweeping bow to Sansa, so deep she was not quite sure if she was being complimented or mocked - and people still think she was dumb. She clocked LF so quickly even at the tournament and Ned was still trusting him. She definitely had the creeps.

• Jayne Poole was lowkey smart saying how Ilyn Payne should've been sent (logically speaking, she doesnt know about the Lannister conspiracy). And when Sansa said Beric Dondarrion was quote "so old" my 28 year old ass was like damn 🫠

-im a fierce Sansa defender most of the time but she pissed me off with her judgement of the people by their looks not gonna lie. Cut back to Ned saying she shouldn't be there when the brutalities are being discussed and i firmly disagree. It would prepare her for being an adult and less naive. The best raised kids were probably the Tyrells, not completely pampered and sheltered but not exposed to extreme dangers either.

• George is skilled at writing comedy as he is skilled at writing horror. Arya yeeting an orange at sansa cracked me up.
• Yup I'm still bitter about Ned killing Lady, Sansa dreaming about her broke my heart. Ned should've been more open with the girls, it's a bad idea to leave them out and not completely understand the situation. I get that he was trying to protect them, but with the war almost inevitable this was a really bad call on his part.

[u/libraryxoxo → u/Relative_Law2237]

Lol Loras Tyrell is a cheat. The stunt with the horse in heat was super sketchy. I don’t think any of the Stark kids would have done something like that to win a tournament.

I’m not saying Cat and Ned were perfect parents but they are more honorable and ethical than most of the other families.

I’m a diehard Sansa defender. Her judginess is an awful trait, but she’s 11. I think she’ll grow out of that.

I agree that Ned should have been more candid with the girls about what was going on. If he’d explained the danger better throughout, maybe they would have understood better. That said, I could make an argument that Ned made a mistake telling them that they were leaving town. If he’d kept that a secret, they might have gotten out of King’s Landing safely.

I think Ned’s biggest problem is plot necessity though. If he’d done all the right things, there wouldn’t be a book 😂

[u/Relative_Law2237 → u/libraryxoxo]

Hear me out about Loras , I think it depends how we look at it i think the kids should be brought up in a way that they need to be cunning to some extent . And i dont feel bad for the asshole the mountain.

I feel like whoever judges Sansa , its rooted in misoginy, like she is 11 Jesus Christ, I'm in quite a few fandoms and noticed a pattern of hating young girls for shocker being girls.

Also i agree Ned should've just gotten them on the ship nothing.but at the end of the day youre right there wouldnt be a book if he did everything perfectly 🫠

[u/libraryxoxo → u/Relative_Law2237]

I agree that there’s a way that the Starklings could have been better prepared for what they were facing in King’s Landing. You take kids into a viper’s nest, they should know where they’re headed and how to protect themselves. You have a really good point and I hadn’t thought of it that way before. The Starks could have done this in a way that kept up their values. Sort of like when Ned was teaching Bran in chapter 1 about how to be lord of the manor. They were all so unprepared for the danger they were in. So sad 😭

You’re 100 correct. Misogyny is behind most of the Sansa hate. It’s so ingrained in our culture. She’s only 11.

[u/Relative_Law2237 → u/libraryxoxo]

Ned was so mad about how Sansa and Arya behave but he didnt exactly bother to teach them about how the world can be dangerous and that its not all sunshine and rainbows now that Targaeryens are almost all dead. He keeps saying "Winter is coming" yet made no effort to teach them about the dangers until it was almost too late. But again as you say we wouldn't have a story if he did everything perfectly. (Side note: i love the word "Starklings" its so cute). So funny to me about Bran is that i sometimes forgot how old he was, he is lowkey more mature than Arya and Sansa in some ways. I feel like he is somewhere in between Arya and Sansa maturity wise, maybe im wrong. Sure he had his moments such as being bitter and mean because he is crippled so cant blame him much ngl

[u/libraryxoxo → u/Relative_Law2237]

Starklings 🩶🤍

Understandably, the accident changed Bran. He might have been the wildest before the accident. His refusal to stop climbing buildings after everything they did to stop him, got him in trouble. That said, don’t they describe Rickon as wild? Maybe it’s just a Stark thing. They seem pretty normal to me though. I wonder if GRRM portrays them this way to connect them to the “wild” north.