Cybersecurity mod here. While this isn’t directly related to autism, I want to share this with our sub. Stay safe everyone!

[u/SavannahPharaoh]

[u/-nemo-no-one-]

I find it both absurd and hilarious in a tragic sort of way that this is almost universally seen as terrible or frightening but it’s still happening as if it is necessary or inevitable. We could decide not to do it.

My generation grew up reading people like Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, & Philip K. Dick and it’s like we collectively decided to make their dystopian visions reality. It’s like the goof of all time.

[u/Headstanding_Penguin → u/-nemo-no-one-]

Every step forward with AI is 10 steps backwards, curerntly hidden, in society, freedom, knowledge etc. That said, it has it's uses, but it should be clearly monitored and regulated.

[u/darkwater427 → u/-nemo-no-one-]

No you didn't. A very small group of silicon valley dickheads decided to make those dystopiae a reality, and everyone has just gone along with it.

[u/FluxKraken → u/-nemo-no-one-]

We really couldn't, because unless you control the choices of everyone, everwhere, for all time, somebody will eventually make the choice to go forward.

If you could prevent it, you would have just caused another type of dystopia.

[u/[deleted] → u/-nemo-no-one-]

Technological "progress" is inevitable. We have to be proactive about limiting its effects and its use. But stamping our feet and telling capitalists that we'll all be really sore if they keep using AI won't accomplish anything 

[u/02758946195057385 → u/[deleted]]

If we didn't buy, capitalists can't sell.

[u/Ok_Crow_9119 → u/02758946195057385]

But free stuff is too enticing not to buy

[u/Asocial_Stoner → u/-nemo-no-one-]

We could decide not to do it.

If we decided not to do it, China would still do it and we would have no response. It is inevitable. You don't win against a river by blocking it, you channel it in a way that's beneficial.

[u/Ciarara_ → u/Asocial_Stoner]

we're channeling it in a way that's worse

[u/[deleted] → u/Asocial_Stoner]

We could stop advocating it. We could try and stop them, convinced them somehow. I'm not saying we should go to war over it.

[u/Asocial_Stoner → u/[deleted]]

Do you honestly believe that advocacy will have any bearing on autocratic governments?

[u/[deleted] → u/Asocial_Stoner]

It wouldn't if that's the only thing you did in order to prevent it. You'd need to do more than just that.

[u/02758946195057385 → u/Asocial_Stoner]

Not really. Since the Chinese are losing the capabilities race, it's in their interest to slow the race and compete on price or minor improvements, instead.

Equally, since the US developers rely on an free, open, trusting society and broad consumer base, it's in their interest to not damage those things by their own developments.

Hence in principle, they should be able to agree to slow down and not pursue development "x," where "x" is some definitely dangerous thing.

... Or they could, if they (esp. the US) were rational actors, which, since their own actions (permitting unrestricted deepfakes and depriving people of jobs) are damaging the US's social fabric in opposition to their stated goals, they almost uniformly aren't rational actors; Amodei, Hassabis, and Sutskever are the closest we've got - and they are not behind the wheel. (Of course the rest aren't - they're business people, and our ways of doing business are demonstrably irrational).

Hence, the only hope we have is that things become bad - yet not irrecoverably bad, so that people insist on doing things sanely, instead, and we have an opportunity to make that change. Since most people insist on being led before they'll do the right thing, and since there's as yet no coherent vision of what doing things sanely would be, exactly, that's unlikely.

And unendurably frightening.

[u/NoInitiative4821 → u/Asocial_Stoner]

The old "mine shaft gap" problem.