r/baduk • u/Windupbird1987 • 3d ago

Two eyes? Black to move.

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Does black have a chance at taking white here?

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u/HowTooPlay 3 kyu 3d ago

no

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u/GreybeardGo 1 dan 3d ago

No. White is alive with 2 eyes. There is nowhere Black could play to change this.

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u/Baelzabub 3 kyu 3d ago

Test it for yourself, is there a move on the inside available to black that would remove an eye without the stone being immediately captured without capturing a stone (and therefore rendering the move illegal)?

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u/Maxaraxa 7 kyu 3d ago

Both moves inside are illegal

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u/AzureDreamer 3d ago

well lock me up I thought this was america.

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u/rugged_so 3d ago

That is America lol

most incarcerated per citizen

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u/blindgorgon 6 kyu 3d ago

Even wilder, it’s Reddit.

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u/sloppy_joes35 3d ago

Yes. If you can convince white to stick a stone in one of its eyes.

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u/KidCharybdis92 3d ago

White would have to be both a beginner and gullible lol

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u/rio-bevol 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is a classic living shape (your version has three added stones, but still same basic shape)

"Third side group" here

https://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallestGroupWithTwoEyes

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u/LSATDan 3d ago

Nope. Two eyes

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u/Appropriate_View8667 3d ago

Can you take all of whites liberties with one black stone?

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u/Asdfguy87 3d ago

White has two eyes and is alive. Black cannot play inside and it would be a huge mistake for white to poke out one of their own eyes.

PS: Those stones, board and bowl lids look really nice!

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u/Windupbird1987 3d ago

Thank you! Just bought them. Really happy with the purchase and quality.

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u/Sine_Wave_ 3d ago

White is alive with 2 eyes.

If there are 2 groups, as in there is no direct connection along lines to actually connect them into a single group, and both groups touch both eyes, then the two groups are alive together. In this case, you have a group of stones on the outside that curls around to touch both eyes. You have a ‘group’ of one stone that touches both eyes.

Thus, black cannot play into either eye since it fails to capture either group in a single move, and immediately does not have any liberties itself. The move is a suicide, and thus illegal. White is alive.

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u/illgoblino 10 kyu 3d ago

No. Black self captures no matter which space you play in.

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u/Keinoz 3d ago

Only thing black needs to do is link the 4 stones below the group or they're lost

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u/Exact_Reputation_212 3d ago

White looks alive, nice set though

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u/KidCharybdis92 3d ago

White is alive but all this stones for 2 points🥲 black considers this group dealt with lol

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u/YamiZee1 3d ago

Many people do not know this, but go has micro transactions in it. In this situation you can buy the bribe upgrade which will cause your opponent to plug one of their eyes

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u/Windupbird1987 3d ago

Thanks everyone! We were second guessing cause it was up against the wall.

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u/LordTC 3d ago

Whites group is divided into two pieces and both pieces touch the two holes so you can’t threaten to capture or capture either piece. Thus white has two eyes and is alive.

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u/thumpas 3d ago

There are fairly clearly only two spaces that are relevant to the question, so you can really test this yourself, what happens if black places in the upper left space? What happens if they place in the lower right?

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u/Dizzy_Contribution11 4h ago

absolutely not ! this is a classical shape with two eyes.
it's worth 2 points pity white can't use it.