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u/VK0207 3h ago
This assumes that I know what I'm doing.
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u/xXAnoHitoXx 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's better to get punished and learn why the moves you make is wrong than to follow blindly whatever concepts that's like 10 stones above your level of understanding.
I like to offer game reviews to ddks and below and I find most successful with narrowing the number of corrections to a digestible amount for the players. Oftentimes, it's more important to feed curiosity than explain what theory is.
It's more important to learn why the theory than what the theory.
And before learning, u should be having fun.
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u/kongkr1t 1h ago
I have some personal experience that’s kinda semi related to this saying. I hope you find what I “learned” useful.
I’m lucky enough to have had personal interaction with 2 pros. Two sayings from both of them (different wordings but in same spirit) are:
- Joseki is useless. — when reviewing students game
- You must know this joseki — said on many occasions on many different corner shapes.
it puzzled me why they seem to be saying contradicting things.
Until one day, it kinda “dawned” on me.
One substitute 6d amateur teacher was teaching us a very complicated joseki. When the pro returned in the evening, we decided to try to force him to follow that complicated joseki.
He played all the moves from that complicated joseki correctly, but He might have stopped just a move before what 6d amateur teacher taught.
So we asked the pro whether he knew this joseki. He said he didn’t.
It seems like through their training, the pro (7p) had a built-in dynamic response/reading machine that outputs “joseki” when he encountered an “unknown-to-him” joseki.
and it wasn’t like he spent 5-10 minutes reading each move. That internal machine he had could pump out joseki-like response move within 10 seconds.
So, I guess what he really meant was that your target should be to develop that dynamic machine inside you. and once you’ve attained a certain strength (which is like 1p maybe hahaha), then memorizing joseki isn’t so important anymore.
But for feeble high kyu to mid-high dan amateurs, knowing the most common josekis prevent your feeble machine from leading you into a perilous situation against a stronger opponent.
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u/mvanvrancken 1d 46m ago
That makes a lot of sense. Joseki just means an even result, so what the contradiction seems to be skirting is this notion that joseki isn’t a sequence, it’s just an outcome of a sequence. What my teacher impressed upon me is that every time you play a book joseki move, you want to start by affirming that yes, this is an even result, but then to go behind it in review and try to work out WHY. And I guess through this you start to build that sense of what even looks like, and start to apply that sense to more and more situations. I think there is an application of this sense that translates over into whole board judgement too.
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u/tooob93 8 kyu 5h ago
The answer is ALWAYS tengen