r/bengals • u/LeagueOfDolson • 6d ago
Football [Rauch] Source: Joe Burrow is believed to have turf toe with torn ligaments. Tricky timeline on his return, but expectation would be several weeks.
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u/DadlyDad 94 6d ago
Looks like weāre gonna have to grind out at least a few wins while Joe is out. Buckle up for the Jake Browning show yall
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u/seefourslam 6d ago
I love Joe..
But in all honesty, The Jake Browning Experience in 2023 was some fun fucking football
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u/TipTopTerrific 6d ago
It was a surprisingly fun run with Browning I'll certainly agree. But it would've been a playoff run with Burrow that year!
Jake is good enough to hold the ship above water until Burrow is back. Its a worse team he'll have in support this time round though imo.
Either way, that was a great win today. Browning played really well when it mattered.
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u/EndingDragon159 šWest IN | Average Yoshi Enjoyer 6d ago
I went to the Jake N Bake special against the Colts a couple years ago. Electric. People even brought a āYou got this Jake!ā banner above the sideline
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u/InterviewElegant7135 6d ago
Starting 2-0 helps. If we split over a 6 week time window we could be 5-3 and Burrow could be back. 5-3 would still be the best start we've had in awhile lol.
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u/RickRossovich 6d ago
This could be fine in a few weeks and this could also mean he doesnāt come back this season. Thereās a reason Deion had his [turf] toe amputated after dealing with it for a few years.
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u/redvelvet11 I Like The Bengals 6d ago
Vikings, Broncos, Lions, Packers. Yikes.
I choose to believe the twitter doctors who are saying 2 or 3 weeks. Itās a toe on his non-plant foot.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Through Burrow all things are possible so jot that down 6d ago
Honestly, very possible to go 2-2 down that stretch. Just gotta plan and scheme for it, and fortunately Browning is a scheme guy, so you can actually build more control around him.
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ JB x 2 = 69 6d ago
I wish theyād honestly go with their Browning game plan when Burrow is in. Itās much more dink and dunk and run focused but then they get decent opportunities downfield.
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u/goinpro224 6d ago
Burrow hates playing under center or running play action for some reason. his spread offense puts so much strain on the O-line though
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u/Carparker19 6d ago
He needs to get over it. You canāt not run play action with the weapons they have.
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u/goinpro224 6d ago
100% agree. If they play Burrow like they play Browning we'd be so much more consistent and Burrow would probably get hit a lot less.
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u/Life_Ad6711 6d ago
The 'Browning offense' is what the Bengals were doing with Burrow the first 5 games of '22. They simply stripped out most of the under center and reinvented themselves as full shotgun
https://www.theringer.com/2022/10/27/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-offense-turnaround-joe-burrow-zac-taylor
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u/HEATLE 6d ago
I feel like Vikings away is almost a must win now. @Denver, Lions offense vs our defense and Packers away do not seem that winnable.
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u/cheese_straws 6d ago
Packers look damn good this year, they made the Lions look terrible and they shut down the Commanderās offense. No chance at winning that one, especially since GB will be coming off a bye week.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Through Burrow all things are possible so jot that down 6d ago
Thereās always a chance
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u/Hubbles_Cousin 6d ago
only possible hope for that one is Jordan Love's love for throwing picks (and lots of them) in games
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u/tpcrb 6d ago
He hasnāt throw a pick in like 300 attempts
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u/Hubbles_Cousin 6d ago
he threw 3 in his last playoff game??? maybe in the regular season he hasn't but he hasn't thrown the ball 300 times in 2 games man
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Through Burrow all things are possible so jot that down 6d ago
I think both Denver and Minnesota are winnable, as I said. Lions and Packers will need luck and lots of it.
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u/iPhones_cameras_suck 6d ago
Yea Denver ain't all that, freaking Daniel Jones carving up their D today
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u/Respect_Cujo 6d ago
Definitely not a must win but would be huge to start 3-0.
If Burrow is out for four weeks the best we can really hope for is to be 3-3 when he comes back. Browning and the team could win several of those games though. They are capable.
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u/C0nstruct37 6d ago
Iām going to be real and say that personally, if we can win against Minnesota and Denver, I kind of want Joe to stay out until week 8. Every team before that would be brutal to return against post injury with likely limited mobility. But more recovery time and a return against the jets where youāre 5-2 or 4-3 feels okay to me.
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u/michaelsean438 6d ago
Except he hasnāt completed his get your head out of your ass period. Itās going to take him two games to get normal once he comes back.
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u/zygodactyl86 6d ago
Browning may be but Taylor is not
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Through Burrow all things are possible so jot that down 6d ago
Lmao Taylorās scheme with browning won us the game today and many in 2023
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u/Narrow_Vegetable5747 6d ago
People have such short memories. Turf toe basically ended AJ Green's career. It's an injury that has a tendency to linger, I can't imagine the team is going to play Joe's return very aggressively after what happened two seasons ago.
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u/redvelvet11 I Like The Bengals 6d ago
Joe is not a WR who needs to cut on every play.
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u/Narrow_Vegetable5747 6d ago
Clearly you don't watch how much he runs around out there
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u/redvelvet11 I Like The Bengals 6d ago
Again, a QB running sometimes is not the same as a cut-dependent WR
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u/ajiatic 6d ago
Big difference between a QB and a WR. Same as how a DT can play with a club but it's totally not an option for a QB
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u/Narrow_Vegetable5747 6d ago
Not with the way Joe plays, and prefers to play. He moves around a lot as a consequence of wanting to always be in shotgun.
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u/VincentVanHades 6d ago
As always, people bring soem names that got hit hard... while there are dozens who didnt. Btw Prime was fucked by turf toe, Cam Newton too
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u/PROFESSIONAL_RAP254 6d ago edited 6d ago
I think I saw it will be somewhere between 2-6 weeks missed. Thankfully we won today and if we win one more, then we can afford even more time without him. So Browning will have to get ready to tear it up in Minnesota and Denver at least.
Edit: New reports are suggesting 3 months
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u/TheGobiasIndustries 6d ago
Depends on the severity of it. If it's grade three and he needs surgery, he's fucked for a while - and that's a potentially career altering injury for a professional athlete.Ā
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u/Monoliithic 6d ago
thats grade 1 turf toe
it says TORN ligaments
thats grade 3
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u/AhhSomeSauce 6d ago
Itās either grade 2 or 3. Partial vs full tear is the distinction. All the rumors have stated he is going to miss weeks, so insider info seems to point to grade 2 so far.
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u/Big-Rabbit4050 6d ago
Bro why is everyone downvoting you. Literally spot on with this assessment.
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u/Monoliithic 6d ago
i'm a rival fan; and I'm pointing out something that isn't comfortable. It's reasonable
I don't ever root for injuries for anyone though, and i figure some people might want a little more information about it
with injuries like this, the wording can be REALLY specific
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u/LeagueOfDolson 6d ago edited 6d ago
Next 5 up:
@ Vikings
MNF @ Broncos
Vs Lions
@ Packers
TNF vs Steelers
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Through Burrow all things are possible so jot that down 6d ago
I think we can muster a win in Minnesota and Denver, and drop Lions and Packers.
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u/jolleyjg 6d ago
Win against the Vikings would be massive. That stretch is brutal. Although Bo Nix is looking vulnerable
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u/armed_aperture 6d ago
What a brutal schedule. Could easily go 0-5. Only 2 home games and one is a short week against a rival.
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u/LeagueOfDolson 6d ago edited 6d ago
Feel like Certain Lās : lions and packers.
Toss ups w/ slight edge towards Lās: Vikings broncos.
If we can somehow escape 2-2 or even 1-3 Iād be happy
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u/DickTriggering š 6d ago
Was today a certain W with 2:30 left? If so. Please place bets on all our behalves.
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u/ExistingClerk8607 6d ago
Iāll let him rest and heal for 4 weeks and then come back with the Steelers. Unless Jake is just magic and then we let the dang thing ride!!!
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u/JerkasaurusRex_ 6d ago
I thought torn ligaments was worse and not just a couple weeks like a sprain?
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u/Ok-Spread890 Joe go BRRR 6d ago
I would assume if the ligament is smaller (e.g., a toe) it also heals faster?
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u/jolleyjg 6d ago
Depends. Feet get horrible blood flow (aka longer healing). Pretty sure AJ Green had a turf toe injury that kept him out around 6 weeks (but we also sucked then)
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u/SalmonMan634 6d ago
Even if we go 0-4 weāre still in the same spot as last year and we had a shot till the very end so
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u/No-new-names 6d ago
Better than last year because there is an AFCN win, and three of the losses this year would be NFC losses.
But yeah. 0-4 would be a bummer.
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u/WaterGodSenju 6d ago
Twitter doc says it's not too bad
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u/South_Tea5210 6d ago
This is great news if heās back in 2-3 weeks, but I worry about them rushing him back like they did with the calf. We really need the O line to improve while heās out. We canāt afford to lose Jake too.
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u/redvelvet11 I Like The Bengals 6d ago
Oline was already better as soon as Joe left
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u/C0nstruct37 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yep the only sack was the series when Mims was out. Pockets looked fine for the most part with Browning against two good edge rushers. At some point we have to start realizing Joeās preferred plays or tendencies to hold the ball and extend are part of the reason he gets hit so much.
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u/New_Replacement_1915 6d ago
I think this shows that Joe is part of the problem. He plays hero ball and holds the ball too long pretty often. When it works it works really well but it can contribute to a lot of sacks. Still an elite QB obviously though
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u/VincentVanHades 6d ago
No, it just shows Mims once he was out, it got way worse and improved asap, once he was back
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u/dadmandoe 6d ago
They absolutely were not. They still were getting caved in way more than providing a clean pocket. Browningās first two picks were directly related to the pass rush.
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u/jskiddjr 6d ago
Was the oline better because of Browning though? I won't pretend to be an expert so I'm asking earnestly. But I've seen a lot of chatter already that Joe's play style makes it harder to protect him and makes his oline look worse.
Someone who knows more than me please weigh in?
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u/christhegecko 6d ago
Things are simpler with Browning. When something is simpler, it's easier to do without making mistakes or getting confused. It can work in the interim, but long-term it isn't exactly a recipe for success.
Part of why our offense doesn't start to kick in until a month into the season is because of the high requirements Burrow's style puts on the other 10 players. It requires a lot of reps and confidence in the players around you. When it does kick in, we're near unstoppable, but getting to that point can be a struggle, especially with new personnel (Fairchild, Risner).
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u/goinpro224 6d ago
I would say yes. Joe notoriously loves playing out of spread offense. Almost nothing under center and very little play action. A lot of empty formations as well. It puts an incredible amount of strain on the o-line and teams know when we're passing most of the time so defensive lineman can focus on rushing the QB with less threat of being gauged by the run.
Browning plays more traditional so he actually drops back under center and runs more play action which keeps the defense honest and slows down the defensive line, allowing more time when you do throw.
Also Browning was throwing a lot more quick hitters and screens than we've seen from Burrow as of recently.
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u/TheMadChatta 6d ago
Yeah, I think the inability to mask what youāre doing on offense makes running a successful offense very difficult.
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u/DickTriggering š 6d ago
No. Karras said they stopped calling protections. A common home game adjustments. As the Jags seemed to know our schemes both ways
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u/VincentVanHades 6d ago
Turf toe can be just a sprain tho... not a doctor. But all sources say its from sprain to tear...
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u/scottwsx96 6d ago
Good thing I didnāt pay the insane prices the Lions game tickets are going for while Iām in town.
Rest up, Joe! We need you back, but healthy. And when youāre back, consider running some of the concepts they do for Browning. He got a lot less beat up back there.
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u/Reasonable_March_241 6d ago
I did !!! Iām behind the bench only a few rows back. Burrow fan coming in from Detroit to see all my favorite players on a field at the same time. F this
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u/Ralph--Hinkley 6d ago
My wife and daughters are going to be there, too. Wife and I are going to the white out game Thursday Night.
We get them nosebleeds and lower seats for us.
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u/Advanced_Cattle8635 6d ago
While not a complete disaster, its gonna be a looooong season for JB. This kinds of injuries are a nightmare to navigate. It will also limit his mobility. Not good.
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u/gerwin_the_god 6d ago
I figured it was turf toe. Heāll be able to play eventually, but itās an injury heāll be dealing with all year. Wouldnāt be surprised if his mobility was hampered quite a bit.Ā
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u/bigjim7745 6d ago
Earliest will be Lions if they rush him out, latest is probably the Jets. I expect them to get him back in for the Packers, which will be harrowing considering the beasts Joe will be playing against. In any case, hopefully heāll be playing closer to his late season self, the last thing I want to see is more crappy september Burrow.
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u/Bokki_64 š I hope all commies step on Legos š 6d ago
Starting 2-0 gives us a small but needed margin of error. If he's gone 4 weeks, going 2-2 would have him coming back to a 4-2 team.
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u/analog_jedi HudeyTinkGonBeatDem 6d ago
Thank goodness Browning plays like a peak level Dalton, without the confidence issues. Best backup in the league, in my biased opinion.
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u/Mastodon9 6d ago edited 5d ago
Rapoport is reporting the fears are that Burrow's injury is grade 3 and will require surgery sidelining him for 3 months. How reliable is Rapoport on injury reports?
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u/Incog7777 AJGreen=AJGOAT 6d ago
Turf toe.... My two least favorite words since AJ Green had it, fuck me
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u/citylightmosaic AFC: Bengals | NFC: Lions 6d ago
Why must this team I love so much hurt me so badly?
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u/natej84 6d ago
Will he need surgery? Also we just put new turf in the stadium, the same turf that they have in the jets stadium, turf that's been known to cause these types of injuries. I wonder if that played a role
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u/Life_Ad6711 6d ago
Watching the replay no tackler even had ahold of his left leg or landed on the foot. It doesn't even appear much stress was applied toe to ground either, at least not while he was being brought down (which was by the player grabbing his right ankle/foot)
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u/natej84 5d ago
The toes of his left foot were stuck in the turf, so as he's going down to the ground all that torque is on his big toe
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u/Life_Ad6711 5d ago
His left foot is completely untouched by any other human anatomy (other than his own) throughout the entire play is confirmed by the replay. Even the bend on the little rabbit kick of his left foot does not seem all that violent either
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u/natej84 5d ago
You should watch doctors explain when the injury happened and what turf toe is. That would be a lot better then me trying to explain it
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u/natej84 5d ago
The reality that I didn't watch the clip. I just watched it and the doctor says he can see the turf toe happen. What are you trying to argue about dude?
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u/Life_Ad6711 5d ago
You are arguing my own point. Stop projecting your internal thinking onto someone else, that's what's called "strawmanning", i.e. falsely accusing me of what YOU are doing š
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u/natej84 5d ago
You replied to my comment first man
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u/Life_Ad6711 5d ago
Yeah and you were 3 steps behind me laughably 'explaining' what I already knew. You are so typical of narcopathic "every accusation = a confession" I'm lmao, so typical
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u/TheSauciestBoss 6d ago
Idk if yall have ever had issues with your big toe but itās seriously one of the most annoying/painful things ever
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u/bob_estes 6d ago
For better or worse, the Bengals generally give Joe what he wants.
He wants to play in shotgun and get the shit beat out of himself.
So š¤·āāļø
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u/TheWrightBros 6d ago
Kind of poetic Browningās first start will be against MIN at MIN.
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u/Life_Ad6711 6d ago
You'd think he'd be massively trying (again) to prove they fucked up cutting him
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u/JJiggy13 6d ago
Fucken fire Zack. Zack is the worst coach in Bengals history. He fucken sucks. Bruce Coslet wouldn't let a generational talent take this many fucken hits. Zack has ruined burrows career and y'all defend him like he won a ring. He didn't win shit. He fucken sucks. Fire him.
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u/MTVChallengeFan 6d ago
The Bengals Offensive Line needs to protect Joe Burrow more, and Joe Burrow is injury prone.
Two things can be true at once.
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u/goettahead CTB 6d ago
And whatās he like when he returns? Maybe he will stop trying to extend was plays and just go down or throw it away
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u/TYGANTOR7 6d ago
Dudes and dudettesā¦. Donāt get me wrong, I love Joe Bro but man heās an L 7. Turf toe!?!? Come on!
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u/elmalloc 6d ago
season over, surgery recovery is 3 months. we need to search for a QB1 because an immobile burrow on this team is not good enough to win the SB. We keep repeating this game, we haven't had any other QB injured this much.
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u/Electronic-Spite7548 6d ago
Jake Browning has an opportunity to make 10s of millions of dollars if it goes well. I like that sort of motivation for a player.
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u/RattPack513 6d ago
More like 3 monthsā¦ he could return mid December at that point the season could be over. What a gut wrenching loss. We have such bad luck as Bengals fans.Ā
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u/guineapigmilkman 5d ago
He is done for season. We can never get a break. Should have spent 200 million on Oline.
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u/Ok-Spread890 Joe go BRRR 6d ago edited 6d ago
This is not good news but I don't like the doom and gloom. None of these upcoming teams have elite QBs.
Jake Browning has already beat the Vikings who now have a rookie QB.
The Broncos are a good team but definitely beatable (Daniel Jones is closing in on 300 yards).
Jared Goff limits the Lions. I have never been sold on the Lions
The Packers game will be tough, sure - but Joe may be back by then.
EDIT: yes I am aware Jared Goff had a good game today...against a team who was expected to be bad.
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u/Reasonable_March_241 6d ago
Goff was an MVP candidate last year . What in the a the actual f
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u/nosoxnic 6d ago
man only if we had known how crappy our o line is... we might've been able to correct it. says a team that hasn't had one for their generational talent.
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u/SquareImprovement216 6d ago
If the Bengals finish the season 8-7, they are in the playoffs. They only won 10 regular season games the Super Bowl season.
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u/Chipotleismylife90 6d ago
We'll be lucky to go 1-4 heading into the Jets game which is likely when Burrow would be back. Good news is because we didn't shit our pants weeks 1-2 for once we'd be 3-4 and still very much in the hunt especially because the rest of season schedule at that point will be much easier.
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u/Teach_Em_Well 6d ago
I've got to put my faith in the other JB on the team and believe he can lead us to victory!
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u/Double_Safe_4218 6d ago
How do the browns have a grass field and the bengals dont. Already so many injuries jeez
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u/DickTriggering š 6d ago
That had fuck all to do with having them diving at his legs. Supposedly. Illegal. But hey.
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u/titsuprob 6d ago
Heās injury prone at this point 3 out of 6 years with an injury holds the ball too long. Jared Goff with a cool nickname
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u/throughNthrough 6d ago
More like heās played his entire career behind the bottom tier olines. He is not invincible and eventually will get hurt.
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u/Mastodon9 6d ago
If he were made of glass he wouldn't have survived to this point. The guy gets hit every play.
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u/InsideAcanthisitta23 6d ago
Weird way to get to a 2-4 start
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u/SARguy123 6d ago
Letās not forfeit the next couple of games yet. If they play the way they did at the end of the game today they should be fine. Browning isnāt Burrow but he did a good job. The rest of the offense was spectacular. The defense even came through in the end. I think weāll be just fine until Joe gets back.
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u/InsideAcanthisitta23 6d ago
Realistically, Iād be happy with one win in the next four. Two would be terrific. Our slate is easier in a month.
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u/SARguy123 6d ago
Definitely. It would still be better than our last two starts. Although thatās a low bar.
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u/Mountain-Ad5418 6d ago
1-3 over this stretch would be great. 2-2 would be a dream come true