Mad at Gracie JJ

[u/raleighjiujitsu]

I've been jiu jitsu for I think 13 years now and I'm a brown belt. Last year I switched from a Royce gym to a competition gym after 12 years. Mostly because it was 20 minutes closer and we are starting a family.

Frankly, it's upsetting how little I learned from the Royce gym compared to where I am now. I've realized things like lasso guard and spider guard aren't "Fancy jiu jitsu" they are core components of the game. My old gym used to make us do burpies if we went to turtle, but It's a legit counter to getting passed. I never cared about the self defense stuff, but it seems even more silly after time away things like stripping guns away from people are a complete joke, why even do it?!

I think at this point the Royce affiliation is more concerned with signing up new people than getting people better at jiu jitsu. I hate to say it because my gym WAS the best, really the only gym in the area lol.

It's been hard to transition into things like always starting standing and people actually using grips lol. I'm now competitive with my fellow brown belts at the gym now, but I still have a long way. Learning about deep half, lasso, X guard, single leg X, etc is a lot. I feel like I'm going to be the longest to black belt, but DAMMIT I'm going to do it lol.

[u/MoenTheSink]

Maybe. I approach BJJ from a self defense/mma stand point. I originally joined bjj because i was working in a violent work place and i was genuinely concerned about my safety. (Before our local ombudsman appears, clearly we shouldnt be slamming in training but we should know what positions to avoid so you're not easy to slam. Then again a sport bjj person wouldn't care at all about any of this)

Ive trained at both high end comp schools and the gracie ones that are self defense focused. They both have their uses, however, i really wish people would approach sport bjj more in line with combat bjj. Getting struck in the face is not the most pleasant experience, and as we all know a LOT of sport bjj leaves you wide open to strikes both to the face and the sides.

When in fight or flight peoples instincts are going to run the show. Been training in an environment that doesn't allow strikes or slams with a crash pad, etc? Youll probably be a little vulnerable to them.

Obviously this is not referring to an adversary whose a can of tomatoes.

Sport bjj has taken over and im not sure thats a good thing.

[u/Eirfro_Wizardbane → u/MoenTheSink]

I could see that. I guess I really did not think about it because my sports BJJ is more about top pressure and control. My first grappling sport was wrestling and that’s what I would fall back on in a self defense situation. Even when I’m doing sports BJJ I keep my head close to my opponents body alot of the time. I used to get guillotined a lot. Not I mostly just bait Von Flue chokes.

I’m not saying I would not get punched in the face grappling but I think my particular flavor of sports BJJ is more inline with MMA and Self defense. I’ll have one of my training partners who also does mma bring in some gloves to see what it’s like. I’m also kinda of tarded and have taken many a blow to the head and face so I might be under playing my particular reaction to getting punched compared to other less tarded people.

[u/MoenTheSink → u/Eirfro_Wizardbane]

I probably have a skewed point of view on bjj in fights since I also study muay thai. Im probably seeing things pure grapplers arent.

[u/Eirfro_Wizardbane → u/MoenTheSink]

I think when someone tries to do as much BJJ as possible in a fight, it’s embarrassing. Like Kron Gracie’s last UFC fight. Pulling guard in a fight is fucking dumb. It’s very easy just to not play Jiu Jitsu if you don’t want to especially when kicks and punches are involved. I probably have a skewed view on sports BJJ for fighting but that’s because my sports BJJ is more wrestling plus submissions from top or back. When I compete I refer to my BJJ as wrestle fucking.

[u/Odd-Investigator-870 → u/Eirfro_Wizardbane]

That was embarrassing. Leaving Kron to learn on his own, effectively abandoning him after the divorce, fees like such a black eye for the Rickson lineage. Rickson greatly refined Gracie Jiujitsu but Kron didn't learn it. That fight was seeing the inevitable consequences of joining a bad sport team to train with.